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It's the fact that he's refusing to admit he was wrong on the penalty incident despite having a good week to think about it that really pisses me off. It also pisses me off that he was liking tweets and was active on twitter this past week but none of the brilliant tweets put out there by the likes of Maguire and Rashford defending Pogba and speaking out against racism. What a dick.
 

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https://www.google.com/search?q=is+...1.69i57j0l5.3449j0j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'd say there's a difference based on the search results trying to explain the difference.

The way I understand it is that a journalist can be a columnist but a columnist is not necessarily a journalist.

Plus I don't think Neville has a bachelor's degree in journalism, which is required according to this:
https://study.com/school_required_to_become_a_journalist.html
Dictionary definition says he is. Anyway, this is a Neville thread and I've fallen into the trap of arguing tedious semantics on the internet, so I'm out of the discussion on his journalistic credentials :lol:.

Journalist or not, banning him from United interviews would be ridiculous. That's my point/opinion.
 

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The sum of Nevilles input to the racism in football debate was a short bit he did at the height of the Sterling abuse, in which he essentially decided that as a middle aged white man it’s not his place to have an opinion on it, and that when he was a player for England racist abuse to the black players was just one of those things. It’s definitely a topic he’s chosen to hold back on.
You're forgetting his quotes when he spoke out against the Stand Up, Speak Up anti-racism campaign:

Gary Neville has criticised Nike for looking to gain commercial advantage from football's latest anti-racism campaign.

But the sportswear manufacturer has strenuously denied that their backing of the campaign has been for publicity.

Neville, who may have provoked a possible confrontation with Nike, the sponsors of Manchester United's kit, said: "We don't have a big problem with racism in this country, you can think of probably one or two incidents in the last five or 10 years.

"We have to make sure that it [the campaign] is conducted in the right manner and not done just for PR like some of the sports companies seem to be doing at the moment.

"The FA and the England team have always campaigned against racism very well, we have just got to be aware that it is not cheapened slightly by companies like Nike getting a lot of PR out of it for nothing.''

Nike have been to the fore of the campaign to drum racism out of the world game since England's friendly against Spain last November, when the Bernabeu crowd aimed monkey chants at the likes of Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips.

Simon Charlesworth, Nike UK's corporate communications manager, said there was no ulterior motive to their campaigning, despite Neville's claims.

"The campaign isn't about publicity,'' he said. "It's about racism, and the fact remains that there is racism in football.

"We've spoken with all the relevant bodies such as Kick It Out, and we've had their approval.

"Even Gary Neville's team-mate, Rio Ferdinand, has come down to London to help with the campaign.''

Nike have a £300million, 10-year sponsorship and merchandising deal with United.

But that did not stop Neville speaking out about the firm who helped launch Thierry Henry's high-profile anti-racism campaign 'Stand Up, Speak Up' along with United and England defender Ferdinand two weeks ago.

Neville, meanwhile, welcomed the anti-racism initiatives taken by England and Holland last night at Villa Park.
Let's just say it's incredibly curious that he chose to speak out against an anti-racism campaign while also thinking that there were perhaps 2 racism incidents (at a stretch) in English football in the past ten years.
 
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Jesus Christ, he tweets like a 10 year old kid. Just let it go Gary, he's just digging himself further and further..

Also what's all this talk about United revoking his access?
Neville is also pushing that space bar! What the hell? :lol:
 

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Jesus Christ, he tweets like a 10 year old kid. Just let it go Gary, he's just digging himself further and further..

Also what's all this talk about United revoking his access?
Someone upthread suggested United revoke his access to players and staff for interviews and such.
 

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Coming up next : How my breakfast tasted like shit because of Pogba's penalty miss which ruined my mood.
 

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a past United legend that works for a huge network during a dark period of said team will never be able to properly convey their opinion.

Simply impossible.
 

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In the words of Jaap Stam, Neville is a "busy cnut." He cant seem to stop having an opinion on something. Even if it contradicts his previous stance. To suggest he's fueling racism is a bit strong, though.
 

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a past United legend that works for a huge network during a dark period of said team will never be able to properly convey their opinion.

Simply impossible.
Rio does it just fine. Even Scholes, who gets criticized, doesn't act like an idiot.

I don't want people like Neville defending our players. Just don't criticize them for stuff that makes no sense. Don't act all knowledgeable when you know shit.
 

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a past United legend that works for a huge network during a dark period of said team will never be able to properly convey their opinion.

Simply impossible.
Or maybe some aren't so opinionated like GNev is and can actually conduct themselves properly as respectable ex-players.
 
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Gary clearly has an agenda against Pogba. Apart from like 1-2 posters it's incredibly obvious. None of the facts prior to and after the penalty support his stance.

It's not like anybody is telling him to give Pogba special treatment. Just don't have an agenda or at least a very obvious one.
 

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He is a rat. Just turn your TV off when is on it. Your life will be much better.
 
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Not as much of a situation as Neville was making it into but having two penalty takers discussing who will take the pen is definitely not the norm.
Yes, but if that's the system (it was), then Gary should have blamed Ole. He didn't focus as much on Ole, and instead on Pogba. Not saying he should make a big deal about Ole's system either, only that him opting to focus on Pogba shows his agenda.
 

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Yes, but if that's the system (it was), then Gary should have blamed Ole. He didn't focus as much on Ole, and instead on Pogba. Not saying he should make a big deal about Ole's system either, only that him opting to focus on Pogba shows his agenda.
And when reminded of the context, he didn't even hint at saying "my mistake, I got it wrong, shouldn't have criticized Pogba for this"
 

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And when reminded of the context, he didn't even hint at saying "my mistake, I got it wrong, shouldn't have criticized Pogba for this"
Exactly. He should have said he took it too far in the heat of the moment, shouldn't have said few of the things and move on. People saying "he is pundit, he can say whatever he can" I don't understand the logic. Just because he is a pundit doesn't mean he can.
 

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Exactly. He should have said he took it too far in the heat of the moment, shouldn't have said few of the things and move on. People saying "he is pundit, he can say whatever he can" I don't understand the logic. Just because he is a pundit doesn't mean he can.
If he did that, the situation would have been much better for everyone. There's nothing wrong with being a bigger man
 

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It’s astonishing how many people are completely misconstruing what he said and spinning it into a personal attack on Pogba. Have you all lost your fecking minds?!?

He opened his rant by saying that he went back to check footage from the previous match and had concluded that Rashford and Pogba were both taking the ball off each other. His issue was clearly with the way the lack of organisation and leadership on the pitch allowed this to happen. If anything the individual who should feel most attacked was the manager. His old pal, Solskjaer.

How the flying feck the great unwashed online have spun this into him leading a personal attack on Pogba, while bending over backwards to protect Rashford and Ole, is an absolute mystery to me. The world’s gone fecking mad.
 

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He now fits in well with the rest of the dinosaurs at Sky

Shame really as I thought he would raise the standards of punditry at Sky, maybe Comcast need to replace him with Robbie Earle
 

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It’s astonishing how many people are completely misconstruing what he said and spinning it into a personal attack on Pogba. Have you all lost your fecking minds?!?

He opened his rant by saying that he went back to check footage from the previous match and had concluded that Rashford and Pogba were both taking the ball off each other. His issue was clearly with the way the lack of organisation and leadership on the pitch allowed this to happen. If anything the individual who should feel most attacked was the manager. His old pal, Solskjaer.

How the flying feck the great unwashed online have spun this into him leading a personal attack on Pogba, while bending over backwards to protect Rashford and Ole, is an absolute mystery to me. The world’s gone fecking mad.
He does have something against Pogba, that's why.
 

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It’s astonishing how many people are completely misconstruing what he said and spinning it into a personal attack on Pogba. Have you all lost your fecking minds?!?

He opened his rant by saying that he went back to check footage from the previous match and had concluded that Rashford and Pogba were both taking the ball off each other. His issue was clearly with the way the lack of organisation and leadership on the pitch allowed this to happen. If anything the individual who should feel most attacked was the manager. His old pal, Solskjaer.

How the flying feck the great unwashed online have spun this into him leading a personal attack on Pogba, while bending over backwards to protect Rashford and Ole, is an absolute mystery to me. The world’s gone fecking mad.
Bingo.
 

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It’s astonishing how many people are completely misconstruing what he said and spinning it into a personal attack on Pogba. Have you all lost your fecking minds?!?

He opened his rant by saying that he went back to check footage from the previous match and had concluded that Rashford and Pogba were both taking the ball off each other. His issue was clearly with the way the lack of organisation and leadership on the pitch allowed this to happen. If anything the individual who should feel most attacked was the manager. His old pal, Solskjaer.

How the flying feck the great unwashed online have spun this into him leading a personal attack on Pogba, while bending over backwards to protect Rashford and Ole, is an absolute mystery to me. The world’s gone fecking mad.
If his criticism is aimed at OGS, then he should have named him just to clarify whose responsibility it mainly was. The way he did it was blaming the players for something the coach should have dealt with before games.
 

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Thank Christ I’m not the only one who remembers what actually happened. The group hysteria about this is so fecking odd.
Absolutely. That said, Neville is an opinionated bastard so I think that makes people more susceptible to having a go at him.
 

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If his criticism is aimed at OGS, then he should have named him just to clarify whose responsibility it mainly was. The way he did it was blaming the players for something the coach should have dealt with before games.
He definitely stopped short of calling out OGS by name. Obviously couldn’t do that to an old friend. The inference was clear though. And people are calling him a racist because of that?!? Well done people.