Chelsea attack & make chances, whilst we don't. On that alone they will be the more successful side.
Ole & United vs. Frank & Chelsea: who will have the better season?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Chelsea won their last match and we lost ours, which means they'll 100% have the better season.
So trueGotta love the caf posters
It's actually hilarious. People can't seem to remember more than 1 day in the past. Supposedly Chelsea have been creating loads of quality chances and been unlucky? feck knows what people have been watching. What I've been seeing is them get hammered 4-0 against United without creating a clear chance or testing De gea once (though yeah, hit post twice through a couple of lapses in concentration leading to at best half chances), getting outplayed by Leicester at home and then narrowly beating a newly promoted side while still having their defence torn up in every game. Their attacking options for the season are: Giroud, Abraham, Pedro, Willian, Pulisic, Mount as an attacking mid, and then Hudson odoi coming back from an achilles injury aka he wont be useful til next season at the very least and theres no telling how he even returns from it.
People are just so fecking dramatic. Rashfords pen goes in off the post instead of off the inner post and out, and suddenly everyone would be saying we look good and are massively improved. Penalty missed, end of the world and we're shite. Gotta love it.
You do know that everyone other than united fans agreed that, that 4:0 was the strangest 4-0 you will ever see?
Hit the post twice, we got past your defense easily and just failed at finishing. Everyone on Skysports that day said that this was not a 4 - 0 performance by United. we gifted you 4 goals, you didn't cut us open or out play us. we gave them to you stupid mistakes by players.
The majority of responses in this thread is the epitome of kneejerk wankers.
Now watch someone get mad at me for saying this and accuse me of thinking everything is all sunshine and daisies.
Now watch someone get mad at me for saying this and accuse me of thinking everything is all sunshine and daisies.
That's how it is. Every thread like this will be dominated by the most recent results.Chelsea won their last match and we lost ours, which means they'll 100% have the better season.
Chelsea will finish 5th United 6th.
Both are pretty shit.
Both are pretty shit.
Chelsea will finish below 6th. Screenshot this.
Way too early to tell. We live in times where people wanna know the end of the story already before we even have gotten to the juicer part of the season. Sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
Do it yourself.
Quite simplistic trolling on your part. That's poor execution, you should've really done better.
We will finish below United. We will have good spells, but we will also have barren spells.
Why do you want us to screenshot it? It's not a particularly unique prediction.
Quite a few think the same here...
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/predict-the-top-6-in-order.449619/
Depends.
I think Chelsea will have a "funnier" season than United and it will give Lampard credibility to construct something next year. I think at this point, that's all Chelsea supporters might want.
I do think United may finish above Chelsea, but if they have a fully fit Kanté for all season and sort out their defense, and can find people to score goals consistently they might a better position in the league at the end, but that's a lot of "ifs"...
At the end of the day, the thing I see is that both team will have growing pains... The thing is that Chelsea knows that and are prepared to that... As long as they see a clear football plan (and not that far off top 4 race and clearly above midtable) they can live with that. I think it might help Lampard being a Chelsea legend to accomodate Roman.
The problem for MU, is that this United team will still have growing pains but with A LOT more pressure. Players who have been here for 3/4 seasons and that failed to be consistent, high priced players and a coach who has been here for a season and a half more.
I think Chelsea will have a "funnier" season than United and it will give Lampard credibility to construct something next year. I think at this point, that's all Chelsea supporters might want.
I do think United may finish above Chelsea, but if they have a fully fit Kanté for all season and sort out their defense, and can find people to score goals consistently they might a better position in the league at the end, but that's a lot of "ifs"...
At the end of the day, the thing I see is that both team will have growing pains... The thing is that Chelsea knows that and are prepared to that... As long as they see a clear football plan (and not that far off top 4 race and clearly above midtable) they can live with that. I think it might help Lampard being a Chelsea legend to accomodate Roman.
The problem for MU, is that this United team will still have growing pains but with A LOT more pressure. Players who have been here for 3/4 seasons and that failed to be consistent, high priced players and a coach who has been here for a season and a half more.
I'd surprised if we didn't do better than Lampard's current Chelsea. They might have more potential, but we seem to be a better side right now.
They don't know how to defend as a unit. That'll cost them many points. And I'd gladly take Rashford/Martial over Abraham, as would most managers.
They don't know how to defend as a unit. That'll cost them many points. And I'd gladly take Rashford/Martial over Abraham, as would most managers.
Our squad is better than Chelsea's. I'm surprised how many think otherwise. Our back 5 is superior by a good distance. Pogba is better than any player they can field. And I'd rather have Rashford and Martial, than Abraham/Pulisic/Willian.
The only area I prefer their team is when it comes to central midfielders (Pogba aside) - Kovacic, Jorginho, Mount and Barkley is better than Mctominay, Fred and Periera.
What's more interesting is how the two managers peform. Based on the first few games I've found Lampard very impressive in an attacking sense. Question is whether it's actually him or it's like Ole's first few games when the team played lovely football.
The only area I prefer their team is when it comes to central midfielders (Pogba aside) - Kovacic, Jorginho, Mount and Barkley is better than Mctominay, Fred and Periera.
What's more interesting is how the two managers peform. Based on the first few games I've found Lampard very impressive in an attacking sense. Question is whether it's actually him or it's like Ole's first few games when the team played lovely football.
Not even the title would suffice, he needs to win the world cup!
Chelsea, marginally. They look a more balanced side with much more quality in midfield. Lampard looks like he has a better idea of how build an attack than Solskjaer.
I expect both clubs to miss out on top 4, though.
I expect both clubs to miss out on top 4, though.
What concerns me is the way in which we ended last season. If the players lose motivation or belief, things can quickly spiral for us and become very ugly for Ole/United.
On balance though, I’d expect us to finish 4th/5th - a position or 2 higher than Chelsea. We really should have tried to strengthen midfield &/or attack though. Oh well.
On balance though, I’d expect us to finish 4th/5th - a position or 2 higher than Chelsea. We really should have tried to strengthen midfield &/or attack though. Oh well.
Think it'll be a close run thing between us both. They've looked pretty decent in their general football but a poor defence really let's them down so will need to see what happens as they get people back.
We should be beating them by some way though as they're relying on a lot of youth and the managers only just come in.
We should be beating them by some way though as they're relying on a lot of youth and the managers only just come in.
With both teams miles away from the top two, it dosen't really matter which one finishes highest this season. I'm looking ahead to a year or so from now - I know there's a lot of if's here, but If James is as good as some say he is. If we can get Pulisic and CHO firing. If RLC returns 100% and continues the with the way he was going. So, If we add a top class striker and CB to what we already have/could have, Chelsea could be challenging in the not too distant future. As for Utd' near future? I think they're a lot more than two signings away from being possible title contenders and also need to change their way of playing. And then there's the question about how long Ole will stay.
Blasphemy, you didn't mention their Lampard reincarnated Mason fecking MOUNT
It was 4-0 though, and on the balance of chances, it wasnt exactly close. Similarly how you say you gifted us 4 goals (really not a small amount), the 2 half chances you had where you hit the post were gifted as well through broken pieces of play. Yeah you held possession, but you didn't look like scoring most of the game. And it was 4-0 ffs.
It's all about net spend and Ole has spent peanuts
Actually I think Mason Mount has looked brilliant so far.
Caf in a nutshellChelsea won their last match and we lost ours, which means they'll 100% have the better season.
Really? We didn't create any clear chances against you? I will like to know what match you were watching. Truth is with the amount you spent compared to us, you rightly should be well ahead of us and you are not.
Freak results like 4-0 does happen and sure you know you were not 4-0 better than us on the day, not like we haven't beating you guys 4-0 before. But fair is fair, you won the match and second half to come at samford bridge.
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Doesn't all the if buts and maybes work both ways?
If we didn't hit the post at OT, if we took our chances in the first half hour Vs Leicester.
All if buts and maybes. The reality is we are both inconsistent sides right now and it shows in the results.
Personally think Lampard is more likely in long term to hold on to his job and transform his side for the better. Having said that, he's starting with a weaker squad than ours on paper and there are question marks over fitness of Kante, experience of centre backs etc.
Its a toss of a coin who finishes higher this season - should be United but wouldn't put it past Chelsea as they look a more adept side tactically in terms of patterns of attacking play, and I think Lampard has more of a drive about him than Ole.
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I said it after we lost 4-0 to Man United.
United are going to struggle big time this season. That midfield is one injury to Pogba away from being bottom half quality.
I also think we will struggle this season, we arent converting enough of our chances and our defence looks weak. Time will tell but I can see us finishing above United.
United are going to struggle big time this season. That midfield is one injury to Pogba away from being bottom half quality.
I also think we will struggle this season, we arent converting enough of our chances and our defence looks weak. Time will tell but I can see us finishing above United.
I'm just saying the small margins. Over the course of all 3 games, overall, I'd say we were considerably the best team in all 3. We created considerably more chances and better quality chances in all 3 than the opposition did (as shown by the xG for all 3), and watching them felt the same.
I agree we'l be inconsistent, that's the price of having a lot of youth around the side, but it's also early season so there's no need to go overboard with anything. My opinion on Chelsea this season is that theyll be fun to watch, but I just don't think you'll ultimately be effective in either box. I don't see enough in the attacking players to have enough to make up for what will be a very porous defence and I dont see that significantly changing unless Lampard does a decently big adjustment in tactics, which would effect the attack. So basically, I dont see the player quality required at Chelsea for this season to even challenge for top 4. Which is fine, they're in a really tough position with the transfer ban and Hazard leaving, but that's the reality of it for me. We'll see how it goes though, but I just see a struggle coming up this season (though one that will be manageable to watch because of attacking intent, youth on the pitch, Lampard being manager and everyone knowing it's a shit situation so not the same expectations).
It's a tossup. Both teams will be wildly inconsistent, both teams lack first class attacking options.
Chelsea on paper have probably more balanced team but losing their best player and not being able to get new players in would even it out.
Both managers might not be there after Christmas.
Chelsea on paper have probably more balanced team but losing their best player and not being able to get new players in would even it out.
Both managers might not be there after Christmas.
Both are dead men walking.
Honestly only God knows, we aren't scoring enough and they are conceeding too many.
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Both have got the right idea, playing younger players, & trying to become more expansive, but at the moment neither seem to be great on the tactical front, which will be both of their undoing.
Imagine the meltdown on here if we'd been cruising 2-0 at home to a promoted team then drew?!
It'd make the Palace and Southampton game reactions seem sensible.
It'd make the Palace and Southampton game reactions seem sensible.
Chelsea have trash defense and concede loads, they score more than enough to win most games but their defense fecks it up.
Still see Lampard as a better manager with better ideas than Ole, and easily too. Chelsea seem to need several signings and that's it. We look like we need a manager, a DOF and several signings as well.
Still see Lampard as a better manager with better ideas than Ole, and easily too. Chelsea seem to need several signings and that's it. We look like we need a manager, a DOF and several signings as well.
Both teams are poor, but Chelsea at least have a few excuses: no transfer window; lost Hazard; new manager.
Manutd don't have any excuse: weakened the midfield; weakened the attack; strengthened the defence. I would say we are weaker this season than last season after the transfer window. Manager has also been in place since January.
Manutd don't have any excuse: weakened the midfield; weakened the attack; strengthened the defence. I would say we are weaker this season than last season after the transfer window. Manager has also been in place since January.
I would say Chelsea 10th, United 12th
Chelsea look good going forward, to be honest. Good football. Of course, I'd argue they have a better, more balanced squad than us, but I'd say Frank knows what he's doing. The early development of Mount, Tomori and Tammy is encouraging.
Their defence has too many holes, though.
Their defence has too many holes, though.