A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

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That's quite astonishing. If that was a United manager the knives would be well and truly out.

CM10 said:

That's quite astonishing. If that was a United manager the knives would be well and truly out.

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Ole has won 3 in 15 apparently. The knives haven't quite come out for him..

Quality manager, has done a fantastic job - would love to have him here. Bad result yesterday but they're still nailed on for a top 4 spot.

Eric7C said:

Ole has won 3 in 15 apparently. The knives haven't quite come out for him..

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Are you serious?! The knives are well and truly out for Ole, there's 3 threads on the main page discussing him ("back or sack" and "appointing him was a mistake" being the main critical ones).

Eric7C said:

Ole has won 3 in 15 apparently. The knives haven't quite come out for him..

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They were definitely beginning to at the end of last season. I think we're only one more bad result away from the pressure being properly ramped up on Solskjaer, justified or not.

CM10 said:

They were definitely beginning to at the end of last season. I think we're only one more bad result away from the pressure being properly ramped up on Solskjaer, justified or not.

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If he picks Lingard at No 10 in next match he will deserve to be.

I find it interesting how Spurs have declined in the last 2 years or so. After 2016/17 season I thought they were nailed on to win the league in the next few years, but even though they strenghtened, it has all gone backwards. Maybe he just isn't the right manager to take them to the next level, i.e. winning trophies. We'll see how it ends, but as it stands, I'm going to predict that Poch won't be there come the end of the season, and that he'll replace Ole as the next United manager.

Also, maybe this could be Mourinho's next project, as Spurs have the team perfectly built for him.

Not been great recently, but the fact that he got them to a Champions League final and made them a top 4 regular with an overall net spend on about £5m and a midfield featuring the likes of Sissoko, Winks, Dier & Wanyama tells me that he's something special.

Back him in the transfer market and I think he has us challenging for the league within 2 seasons.

M Bison said:

Are you serious?! The knives are well and truly out for Ole, there's 3 threads on the main page discussing him ("back or sack" and "appointing him was a mistake" being the main critical ones).

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Oh on the Caf the knives are out for sure, but then it doesn't take much for that to happen here..

But in the wider media, nobody is asking for his head. If it was any other glamour manager like Jose or Zidane, it would be different. People don't seem to have similar expectations from Ole..

Eric7C said:

Oh on the Caf the knives are out for sure, but then it doesn't take much for that to happen here..

But in the wider media, nobody is asking for his head. If it was any other glamour manager like Jose or Zidane, it would be different. People don't seem to have similar expectations from Ole..

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Very true!

CM10 said:

They were definitely beginning to at the end of last season. I think we're only one more bad result away from the pressure being properly ramped up on Solskjaer, justified or not.

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You're probably correct and it would be justified too. However the problems are so much deeper at United that another change of manager is likely not to make things better

M Bison said:

Quality manager, has done a fantastic job - would love to have him here. Bad result yesterday but they're still nailed on for a top 4 spot.

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Never won a thing, while during his time at Spurs, Leicester won the league and Wigan won the FA Cup. He's done a good job, but far from fantastic.

Eric7C said:

Ole has won 3 in 15 apparently. The knives haven't quite come out for him..

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There were threads bumped calling for his head before the Palace game was even over.

Have you completely missed the “appointing Ole was a mistake” thread that gets bumped every time we fail to win, and the constant matter-of-fact statements that “we have the worst manager in the league”.

Spurs aren't in great shape tbh.

Poch looks unhappy, Kane looks half the player he was and Toby, Vertoghen and Eriksen could all leave for free next summer unless they are sold this week.

Absolute shambles quite frankly.

Welby5 said:

Never won a thing, while during his time at Spurs, Leicester won the league and Wigan won the FA Cup. He's done a good job, but far from fantastic.

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I would describe as fantastic, Those 2 are anomalies whereas spurs are a consistent top 4 side now. Great achievement in my view.

Welby5 said:

Never won a thing, while during his time at Spurs, Leicester won the league and Wigan won the FA Cup. He's done a good job, but far from fantastic.

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This is such bollocks. He changed the entire profile of the club in to a top 4 regular, made us CL finalists and built the best squad I've seen as a Spurs fan. He's done an absolutely fantastic job.

Stuff like Wigan winning an FA cup (a complete fluke) and Leicester winning the league (a once in a century event) don't change what he's built at Spurs. The lack of trophies is a shame, but we've taken a massive step up as a club in terms of profile and consistency. That's all down to Pochettino, and regardless of what happens going forward, our fans will always be massively grateful for what he built here.

M Bison said:

I would describe as fantastic, Those 2 are anomalies whereas spurs are a consistent top 4 side now. Great achievement in my view.

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Finishing top 4 mainly due to the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Utd falling to levels way below what they once were. Proof of that is Spurs lost an astonishing 13 games last season, a number which should never be good enough for top, but they got away with because others were so bad.

Some posters just don’t like him for whatever reason. You can see these posts every time it looks like Spurs might hit a rough spot. He’s class, no doubt about it. Might just be, with the level of investment they’ve had, that he’s taken them as far as they can go.

SambaBoy said:

Poch has spoken about the transfer window making his squad unsettled and stated they won't be able to fully focus until it closes which indicates that Eriksen may be leaving, also maybe Vertonghen? seeing as he hasn't started yet. Could just be an excuse by Poch in all fairness, can't see either leaving before the deadline.

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It'll be interesting to see do they actually leave now, and how they'll be reintegrated if they do stay

SquishyMcSquish said:

This is such bollocks. He changed the entire profile of the club in to a top 4 regular, made us CL finalists and built the best squad I've seen as a Spurs fan. He's done an absolutely fantastic job.

Stuff like Wigan winning an FA cup (a complete fluke) and Leicester winning the league (a once in a century event) don't change what he's built at Spurs. The lack of trophies is a shame, but we've taken a massive step up as a club in terms of profile and consistency. That's all down to Pochettino, and regardless of what happens going forward, our fans will always be massively grateful for what he built here.

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Harry is the one who changed your club and Poch took it on from there. And if Wigan winning the Cup was a fluke, then so too ware the incredible back to back last minute escapes to get you to the CL final. You wont be doing that again anytime soon! You lot keep thinking not winning anything is fantastic, is fine by me!!!

Welby5 said:

Finishing top 4 mainly due to the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Utd falling to levels way below what they once were. Proof of that is Spurs lost an astonishing 13 games last season, a number which should never be good enough for top, but they got away with because others were so bad.

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I know what you’re saying but for me that’s like saying Utd should have won the league in certain years because they only achieved X points whereas last year you needed 98+ to win it.

They’re now consistent in achieving top 4 which isn’t easy given their spend in recent years, I also think some of the players he’s brought through into their 1st team is very good.

He is a very good manager but I never saw his side play scintillating football like some United fans proclaim. I think if he leaves spurs he will join Bayern or Madrid. I can this being his last season at Spurs.

Welby5 said:

Harry is the one who changed your club and Poch took it on from there. And if Wigan winning the Cup was a fluke, then so too ware the incredible back to back last minute escapes to get you to the CL final. You wont be doing that again anytime soon! You lot keep thinking not winning anything is fantastic, is fine by me!!!

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Oh feck off. Pochettino took over a shell of a squad, completely reshaped the team within two seasons. Redknapp's side was a distant memory by the time he took charge of the club and teams like Everton were pushing ahead of us, we had a bang average spine to the team featuring players who didn't really want to be here, and the future was bleak. Poch took what on from where? He took over a mess of a team, do some basic research before you spout absolute nonsense.

The CL run relied heavily on luck, yes. That's what happens during cup runs. Coupled to that he delivered multiple very impressive league seasons and the most solid team most Spurs fans can remember. Not winning anything isn't fantastic, but reaching heights that when he took over we couldn't really dream of (being top 4 every season, being genuinely competitive on the top European stage) is fantastic and you can't ignore that just because of the lack of a trophy.

He's been amazing for us. Who the hell would have predicted Spurs would get to a CL final or soon be a shoe-in for the top four when he took charge? Nobody. He's done all this with a budget completely dwarfed by his contenders, playing down what the man built here is complete revisionism, and that's coming from somebody who here and now is very frustrated with the direction the team looks to be headed in under Poch.

Welby5 said:

Harry is the one who changed your club and Poch took it on from there. And if Wigan winning the Cup was a fluke, then so too ware the incredible back to back last minute escapes to get you to the CL final. You wont be doing that again anytime soon! You lot keep thinking not winning anything is fantastic, is fine by me!!!

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Poch has done a remarkable job at Spurs. To say he only succeeded because of Harry is like saying Pep only succeeded because of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta and now Sheikh Mansour or Jose succeeding only because of Roman. Poch took an inconsistent Spurs side and made them a solid side who have come a long way since his appointment.

Unpredictable. Last season they lost 13 matches yet ended up 4th.

I smell a so-so 5th-7th 19-20 season for the Spurs, but as I've said, they are unpredictable

SquishyMcSquish said:

Oh feck off. Pochettino took over a shell of a squad, completely reshaped the team within two seasons. Redknapp's side was a distant memory by the time he took charge of the club and teams like Everton were pushing ahead of us, we had a bang average spine to the team featuring players who didn't really want to be here, and the future was bleak. Poch took what on from where? He took over a mess of a team, do some basic research before you spout absolute nonsense.

The CL run relied heavily on luck, yes. That's what happens during cup runs. Coupled to that he delivered multiple very impressive league seasons and the most solid team most Spurs fans can remember. Not winning anything isn't fantastic, but reaching heights that when he took over we couldn't really dream of (being top 4 every season, being genuinely competitive on the top European stage) is fantastic and you can't ignore that just because of the lack of a trophy.

He's been amazing for us. Who the hell would have predicted Spurs would get to a CL final or soon be a shoe-in for the top four when he took charge? Nobody. He's done all this with a budget completely dwarfed by his contenders, playing down what the man built here is complete revisionism, and that's coming from somebody who here and now is very frustrated with the direction the team looks to be headed in under Poch.

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Aren't you rewriting history a little bit there? I'm relatively sure Lloris, Vertongen, Dembele, Rose, Walker and Eriksen where already there when Poch arrived, and where joined by Dier and Ali that same summer too. And Kane had also broken into the first team in the latter stages of the previous season as well. That's a nice group and a nice spine to be starting with.

Not to say he didn't have work to do, and he sure had to clear out a few as well, but a good section of the team he has shaped over the years was in place right at the very start. He certainly didn't have to start at 0.

Borussin said:

Aren't you rewriting history a little bit there? I'm relatively sure Lloris, Vertongen, Dembele, Rose, Walker and Eriksen where already there when Poch arrived, and where joined by Dier and Ali that same summer too. And Kane had also broken into the first team in the latter stages of the previous season as well. That's a nice group and a nice spine to be starting with.

Not to say he didn't have work to do, and he sure had to clear out a few as well, but a good section of the team he has shaped over the years was in place right at the very start. He certainly didn't have to start at 0.

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Lloris and Vertonghen had both been struggling for a while, Rose and Walker were far from two of the better fullbacks in the league (I remember opposition fans laughing at both of them) and Eriksen was very inconsistent and not one of the best attacking midfielders in the league at all. Dembele didn't even start immediately under Pochettino and struggled to break in to the team at first because he'd been a very mixed bag as a signing. Dier arrived for what? A few million from Portugal, with Alli coming from the championship.

All these players were developed, nurtured and improved massively under Pochettino. It's all well and good to look back in hindsight and say it's a nice group/spine but nobody was saying it at the time and many of our own fans would have been happy to clear some of those players out from the team. Our final lineup under Sherwood was: Lloris, Naughton, Sandro, Dawson, Rose, Chriches, Sigurdsson, Paulinho, Kane, Adebayor, Eriksen. So yes, a couple of players in there now who are highly rated, but amidst a sea of absolute shite who he had to clear out and replace. We also had the likes of Pritchard, Capoue and Fyers on the bench. It was not a good squad.

There was also a shitty atmosphere around the club/dressing room with players like Paulinho and Adebayor whose attitudes stunk to high heaven, and Pochettino did brilliantly to come in and basically sort all of that out within a single season in charge, whilst establishing a clear style of play at the club. We were not in a good place when he took over, it was far from an easy task and he's basically exceeded all reasonable expectations.

Poch only became underrated on here when Solskjær had his amazing start. At the end of the day he's made Tottenham very good without almost spending any money. He can't keep it up forever. But despite their poor form at the end of last season, they still made top 4, knocked Pep's trillion dollar City and made the CL final. He's done a great job with what he has. Any club that get's him after Spurs is lucky and it's probably not going to be us.

CM10 said:

That's quite astonishing. If that was a United manager the knives would be well and truly out.

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I very much doubt it considering that would mean coming off the back of a season qualifying for the champions league and getting to the champions league final, that's the kind of stuff we can only dream of at this point with where this club is heading under the glazers and their right hand man Woodward.

Lee565 said:

I very much doubt it considering that would mean coming off the back of a season qualifying for the champions league and getting to the champions league final, that's the kind of stuff we can only dream of at this point with where this club is heading under the glazers and their right hand man Woodward.

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He got top 4 because of out joke of a season. He would have had to throw it away on purpose to fall behind a side who took 2/3 of it off

He's on a terrible run of results. I wonder what the perception would be if Llorente's goal against City had been correctly ruled out for handball meaning they were knocked out in the quarters rather than reaching the final.

cyberman said:

He got top 4 because of out joke of a season. He would have had to throw it away on purpose to fall behind a side who took 2/3 of it off

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There are always what if's in football like if they didnt have one eye on the champions league final knows how would they have performed better at the back end of the season in the league? we saw it at United under Mourinho when he was more focused on the Europa league cup, end of the day they still achieved something that I cant see happening at United for a very long time with glazers and Woodward in charge.

Lee565 said:

I very much doubt it considering that would mean coming off the back of a season qualifying for the champions league and getting to the champions league final, that's the kind of stuff we can only dream of at this point with where this club is heading under the glazers and their right hand man Woodward.

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Spurs had more than their fair share of fortune in the run to the final, and Champions League qualification really isn't that much of an accomplishment.

We won the Europa League and finished 2nd under the previous manager. He was a complete tool to boot, but the point still stands that those two things bought him little time when we were playing dogshit football and weren't getting the results. The same would apply to a Champions League final and 4th place finish.

I feel he’s done an amazing job at Spurs with feck all money. Wonder where Pep and Klopp would be with the same lack of finance that Pochettino has had to cope with in the past?

I can’t help but wonder what Pochettino might achieve given the customary financial backing afforded to a Utd manager.

I’d have him at Utd in a heartbeat.

Wilt said:

I feel he’s done an amazing job at Spurs with feck all money. Wonder where Pep and Klopp would be with the same lack of finance that Pochettino has had to cope with in the past?

I can’t help but wonder what Pochettino might achieve given the customary financial backing afforded to a Utd manager.

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You can exclude Klopp from that list. Dortmund says were pretty similar to what Poch went through and still he won the title.

bond19821982 said:

You can exclude Klopp from that list. Dortmund says were pretty similar to what Poch went through and still he won the title.

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I’m not talking about Dortmund. Obviously, I’m talking about Liverpool and City in the Prem.

Wilt said:

I feel he’s done an amazing job at Spurs with feck all money. Wonder where Pep and Klopp would be with the same lack of finance that Pochettino has had to cope with in the past?

I can’t help but wonder what Pochettino might achieve given the customary financial backing afforded to a Utd manager.

I’d have him at Utd in a heartbeat.

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You might want to look at Klopp and Poch's 'bought and sold' lists before claiming he's been working as a pauper in comparison to Klopp. Pochettino also didn't have to deal with losing his best player (at the tine) as Klopp did with Coutinho. To put Klopp in with Pep as far as spending goes is laughable too. Pep has never had to sell to buy, and has always being able to work with the very best. It's the only way he can work.

Poch is an excellent coach, but he gets hyped too much and made out to be some miracle worker who's worked on a shoestring, which is plainly not true.

bond19821982 said:

You can exclude Klopp from that list. Dortmund says were pretty similar to what Poch went through and still he won the title.

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The team Klopp took to the CL final with Dortmund cost under £40 million (the cost of one Davinson Sanchez more or less). Not so comparable, he was a miracle worker at Dortmund on a tight budget. And had to start with far less than Poch did at Spurs too.

I get the feeling many don't know what Pochettino has actually spent! He hasn't built a team on nothing here.

slored1 said:

I find it interesting how Spurs have declined in the last 2 years or so. After 2016/17 season I thought they were nailed on to win the league in the next few years, but even though they strenghtened, it has all gone backwards. Maybe he just isn't the right manager to take them to the next level, i.e. winning trophies. We'll see how it ends, but as it stands, I'm going to predict that Poch won't be there come the end of the season, and that he'll replace Ole as the next United manager.

Also, maybe this could be Mourinho's next project, as Spurs have the team perfectly built for him.

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I actually could see this happening.

Handré1990 said:

Some posters just don’t like him for whatever reason. You can see these posts every time it looks like Spurs might hit a rough spot. He’s class, no doubt about it. Might just be, with the level of investment they’ve had, that he’s taken them as far as they can go.

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It's because some posters see anybody praising a non-Utd manager as in some way demeaning the abilities of the current Utd manager - they are incapable of seeing anything without adding a Utd slant on it.

Borussin said:

You might want to look at Klopp and Poch's 'bought and sold' lists before claiming he's been working as a pauper in comparison to Klopp. Pochettino also didn't have to deal with losing his best player (at the tine) as Klopp did with Coutinho. To put Klopp in with Pep as far as spending goes is laughable too. Pep has never had to sell to buy, and has always being able to work with the very best. It's the only way he can work.

Poch is an excellent coach, but he gets hyped too much and made out to be some miracle worker who's worked on a shoestring, which is plainly not true.



The team Klopp took to the CL final with Dortmund cost under £40 million (the cost of one Davinson Sanchez more or less). Not so comparable, he was a miracle worker at Dortmund on a tight budget. And had to start with far less than Poch did at Spurs too.

I get the feeling many don't know what Pochettino has actually spent! He hasn't built a team on nothing here.

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Dude Liverpool spent huge sums of cash on the most expensive defender in the world and the most expensive GK in the world IN THE SAME WINDOW. That is light years away from what Spurs could do. Poch also has had to deal with Eriksen clearly wanting to leave the club for the past year.