Jack Grealish

El Jefe · May 27, 2019

Bottom half of the league player at a stretch. Talk of him playing for a top team is laughable let alone the likes of Everton, Leicester and Wolves.

Players like Maddison, Neves and Brooks came into the league with good reputations from the championship and were instant hits and are players I see at big clubs in the future. Grealish looks like a big fish small pond type of player.

Jeffthered · May 27, 2019

I like him. I think he could make top level. Look at the likes of Lalanna at 'Pool for example.

He is a leader and has character. Good footballer, and may welcome the challenge of competing amongst top players (team mates).

Kaglish10 · May 27, 2019

For the money Villa would demand, he's no longer a punt hence I will pass. He's obviously talented but not yet the finished article. His passing range and defensive works need some work.

Amar__ · May 27, 2019

Jeffthered said:
I like him. I think he could make top level. Look at the likes of Lalanna at 'Pool for example.

He is a leader and has character. Good footballer, and may welcome the challenge of competing amongst top players (team mates).

Lallana is one of their worst players.

hocane · May 27, 2019

He is a grown man now, last time he played in the prem he was just a kid.

We will finally get to see if he is the real deal and can perform at the highest level. I like him, there's not a lot english players like him that have the ability to drive the ball forward and skip past players like it's second nature.

Cabin Clown · May 30, 2019

Why does he look like he's spent half a day in a tanning salon

Vault Dweller · May 30, 2019

I think he could be a good signing. I've been impressed by him at Villa this year, I think McGinn is a really good player too.

LilyWhiteSpur · May 30, 2019

Cabin Clown said:
Why does he look like he's spent half a day in a tanning salon

Probably cause he has.

No way he will leave Villa this summer.

FootballHQ · May 30, 2019

Amar__ said:
Lallana is one of their worst players.

He's just been injured constantly for last two years. Before that he was actually a key player in Klopp's high press but with him out Liverpool have moved on and so he's well down the pecking order now.

Robbie Boy · May 30, 2019

FootballHQ said:
He's just been injured constantly for last two years. Before that he was actually a key player in Klopp's high press but with him out Liverpool have moved on and so he's well down the pecking order now.

Lallana was laughably overrated for a period of time at Liverpool. He’s never been anything more than a bang average PL player that really should be at a mid-table level club. He was typically overrated because he’s English and actually had some technique. His all-round game has always smacked of mediocrity.

Robbie Boy · May 30, 2019

InLevyITrust said:
Probably cause he has.

No way he will leave Villa this summer.

Hope he does and goes to Spurs for huge money

LilyWhiteSpur · May 30, 2019

Robbie Boy said:
Hope he does and goes to Spurs for huge money

I would love him, I think he is a really good player, just can’t see it happening. You can say what you like about him but he clearly loves Villa and his loyalty should be applauded.

Robbie Boy · May 30, 2019

InLevyITrust said:
I would love him, I think he is a really good player, just can’t see it happening. You can say what you like about him but he clearly loves Villa and his loyalty should be applauded.

I don’t think he would be an upgrade on anything you’s hsve but I just don’t rate him whatsoever. He’s loyal alright, just comes across as an annoying twat.

LilyWhiteSpur · May 30, 2019

Robbie Boy said:
I don’t think he would be an upgrade on anything you’s hsve but I just don’t rate him whatsoever. He’s loyal alright, just comes across as an annoying twat.

I think he used to be a very testing player but he has stepped up. It really wouldn’t be a step up on our central midfielders? Winks is good but not available enough. Sissoko has had a good season but contributes nothing at all going forward, Dier well is Dier. Have you seen much of him this season? If he was that *bang average* I doubt Villa would be so keen to hold on to him.

andersj · May 30, 2019

Robbie Boy said:
Lallana was laughably overrated for a period of time at Liverpool. He’s never been anything more than a bang average PL player that really should be at a mid-table level club. He was typically overrated because he’s English and actually had some technique. His all-round game has always smacked of mediocrity.

I always thought the opposite. One of those players who would be higher rated in another country. Read some of Pochettino and Klopp comments on him. They love him!

LilyWhiteSpur · May 30, 2019

andersj said:
I always thought the opposite. One of those players who would be higher rated in another country. Read some of Pochettino and Klopp comments on him. They love him!

If he had of been fit at the WC he was exactly the player England needed. No he isn’t a world beater but he has vision and some flair that was clearly lacking.

FootballHQ · May 30, 2019

InLevyITrust said:
If he had of been fit at the WC he was exactly the player England needed. No he isn’t a world beater but he has vision and some flair that was clearly lacking.

Actually before 2014 WC he was seen as a key player and loads were shocked when he didn't start the Italy game.

africanspur · May 31, 2019

InLevyITrust said:
I would love him, I think he is a really good player, just can’t see it happening. You can say what you like about him but he clearly loves Villa and his loyalty should be applauded.

I think he is a very good player too but would be waay overpriced compared to his actual abilities and, to be honest, I see a complete disconnect between how he's talked about on here and the reality.

He's done well this season and I'm looking forward to seeing how he gets on back on the PL next season, regardless of which team but I'm seeing a 24 year old player who's had one season in the top flight and doesn't always look head and shoulders above his peers in the championship... Which is kind of what you'd expect given how he's talked about on here at times.

I agree his loyalty should be applauded and I'm very happy for him that he'll be playing for his team in the Premier league. It's surely what all young academy players must dream about.

Robbie Boy · May 31, 2019

InLevyITrust said:
I think he used to be a very testing player but he has stepped up. It really wouldn’t be a step up on our central midfielders? Winks is good but not available enough. Sissoko has had a good season but contributes nothing at all going forward, Dier well is Dier. Have you seen much of him this season? If he was that *bang average* I doubt Villa would be so keen to hold on to him.

I said Lallana is bang average and he is, and that’s being generous. Of course Grealish is important for Villa but they’re a newly promoted team so that’s expected. In the context of his actual abilities vs the hype / what he would cost, I think he’s ridiculously overrated.

cyberman · Aug 29, 2019

Popping in to see if he has his first england cap.
No? Oh well..

Adam-Utd · Aug 29, 2019

cyberman said:
Popping in to see if he has his first england cap.
No? Oh well..

Does he really deserve one? I don't think he's been that impressive so far.

Obviously he is a good player and he will get better, but right now I don't think it's a shock not to see him there.

IF anybody deserved a shot it was Barnes over Wilson.

FootballHQ · Aug 29, 2019

It's frustrating he's about a year too old for the under 21s now, that would be good development stage for him but he missed that falling off the radar after our relegation.

Certainly don't begrudge Maddison being called up instead due to his season last year and how he's started this one.

Robbie Boy · Aug 29, 2019

Clearly doesn’t deserve a cap. Shown nothing to even prove he’s PL level as of yet.

sincher · Aug 29, 2019

Robbie Boy said:
Clearly doesn’t deserve a cap. Shown nothing to even prove he’s PL level as of yet.

Unfair that. He has certainly looked like a PL player so far this season. Not saying he should be in the England squad, but pretty sure his time will come.

He has some areas of his game to work on but he is a good player.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · Aug 29, 2019

cyberman said:
Popping in to see if he has his first england cap.
No? Oh well..

He will get his by seasons end.

Jast u wayt.....

Robbie Boy · Aug 29, 2019

sincher said:
Unfair that. He has certainly looked like a PL player so far this season. Not saying he should be in the England squad, but pretty sure his time will come.

He has some areas of his game to work on but he is a good player.

I don’t rate him whatsoever and feel he’s always just been hype.

Walters_19_MuFc · Nov 1, 2019

Didn't know whether he could make the step up, been have mega impressed with Grealish so far this season. Been Villa's best player, in my opinion.

People will rave about McGinn - I guess he's scored against top opponents, but Grealish is the player that knits everything together for Villa.

I think priority will be most likely getting Maddison, but I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Grealish as a secondary option. As well as the ability, he seems to have the arrogance and swagger about him that tells me he would have the right mentality to make it at a big club.

Actually, I could see Brendan going in for Grealish if we were to get Maddison.

bond19821982 · Nov 1, 2019

Can he and Maddison play together ? Is Grealish best as AM ?

FootballHQ · Nov 1, 2019

bond19821982 said:
Can he and Maddison play together ? Is Grealish best as AM ?

At the moment we're playing him in the style of a David Silva, nominally starting out wide but has licence to drift infield at will. It's working pretty well. Actually going way back when he emerged under Sherwood we were playing him in a similar position.

432JuanMata · Nov 1, 2019

bond19821982 said:
Can he and Maddison play together ? Is Grealish best as AM ?

Grealish and Maddison might be a upgrade on what we have but there quality will leave us at best top 4 and far off the league in long term. Though I rate Maddison ahead of Grealish

Walters_19_MuFc · Nov 1, 2019

bond19821982 said:
Can he and Maddison play together ? Is Grealish best as AM ?

The both have been played in the exact same positions this season, both as a roaming left winger and left centre midfielder.

Could the two play together? Yes, I guess they could if it was a style similar to that of Pep's City, but both are more comfortable on the left side of the pitch like Pogba.

Grealish needs to be called up for the England squad when the internationals are back on. He's deserved it, in my opinion.

bond19821982 · Nov 1, 2019

Walters_19_MuFc said:
The both have been played in the exact same positions this season, both as a roaming left winger and left centre midfielder.

Could the two play together? Yes, I guess they could if it was a style similar to that of Pep's City, but both are more comfortable on the left side of the pitch like Pogba.

Grealish needs to be called up for the England squad when the internationals are back on. He's deserved it, in my opinion.

432JuanMata said:
Grealish and Maddison might be a upgrade on what we have but there quality will leave us at best top 4 and far off the league in long term. Though I rate Maddison ahead of Grealish

FootballHQ said:
At the moment we're playing him in the style of a David Silva, nominally starting out wide but has licence to drift infield at will. It's working pretty well. Actually going way back when he emerged under Sherwood we were playing him in a similar position.

Cheers all.

So answer is No. Would prefer Maddison then.

Walters_19_MuFc · Nov 1, 2019

FootballHQ said:
At the moment we're playing him in the style of a David Silva, nominally starting out wide but has licence to drift infield at will. It's working pretty well. Actually going way back when he emerged under Sherwood we were playing him in a similar position.

Think you mean Bernardo Silva.

AkaAkuma · Nov 1, 2019

Looks better than Maddison to me, he's stronger on the ball, can hold off a challenge while keeping the ball.

Jibbs · Nov 1, 2019

I think he is as good as and physically stronger than Maddison. Quality player. We should be signing one of them.

Yagami · Nov 1, 2019

Walters_19_MuFc said:
Didn't know whether he could make the step up, been have mega impressed with Grealish so far this season. Been Villa's best player, in my opinion.

People will rave about McGinn - I guess he's scored against top opponents, but Grealish is the player that knits everything together for Villa.

I'm still surprised people thought Grealish wouldn't make the step up. Not only was his talent as obvious as it gets, he'd already proven he could cope in the PL!

McGinn also does a lot more than score against top teams. Yes, Grealish is the link, but McGinn is great himself. McGinn could play as that link, too, imo, but because he's such a goal threat, and Grealish is brilliant at it anyway, they rightly just allow Grealish to pull the strings and have McGinn supporting Wesley.

AkaAkuma said:
Looks better than Maddison to me, he's stronger on the ball, can hold off a challenge while keeping the ball.

Don't know how much you've seen of Maddison but he's very good at that, too.

bond19821982 said:
Can he and Maddison play together ? Is Grealish best as AM ?

Easily.

Both can play as the 10 or 8. In a midfield 3, ahead of a DM or DLP, they'd be fine, too. Especially as Grealish has - before recently where he's been deployed back out to the left as a playmaker who drifts inside - played as a deep midfielder alongside Hourihane and McGinn.

In fact, due to how strong Grealish is on the ball, I could see him making a good 6 in the mould of an Arthur or Verratti.

bond19821982 · Nov 1, 2019

Yagami said:
I'm still surprised people thought Grealish wouldn't make the step up. Not only was his talent as obvious as it gets, he'd already proven he could cope in the PL!

McGinn also does a lot more than score against top teams. Yes, Grealish is the link, but McGinn is great himself. McGinn could play as that link, too, imo, but because he's such a goal threat, and Grealish is brilliant at it anyway, they rightly just allow Grealish to pull the strings and have McGinn supporting Wesley.

Don't know how much you've seen of Maddison but he's very good at that, too.

Easily.

Both can play as the 10 or 8. In a midfield 3, ahead of a DM or DLP, they'd be fine, too. Especially as Grealish has - before recently where he's been deployed back out to the left as a playmaker who drifts inside - played as a deep midfielder alongside Hourihane and McGinn.

In fact, due to how strong Grealish is on the ball, I could see him making a good 6 in the mould of an Arthur or Verratti.

Sounds like a talent then. We need a possession based style though.

Walters_19_MuFc · Nov 1, 2019

Yagami said:
I'm still surprised people thought Grealish wouldn't make the step up. Not only was his talent as obvious as it gets, he'd already proven he could cope in the PL!

McGinn also does a lot more than score against top teams. Yes, Grealish is the link, but McGinn is great himself. McGinn could play as that link, too, imo, but because he's such a goal threat, and Grealish is brilliant at it anyway, they rightly just allow Grealish to pull the strings and have McGinn supporting Wesley.

I didnt say McGinn just scores against top teams. I said the reason he's possibly been talked about more was because of the fact that he's scored those goals. After all, its the goals that creates headlines.

As you said, the both compliment each other and Villa seem to have a nice balance with the two.

Winzaghi · Nov 1, 2019

I guess you can chalk this down to bias, but I think Grealish is comfortably the better player between him and Maddison. Said the same when they both had those breakout seasons in the Championship, but I guess 20 odd goals is more eye catching.

If Grealish had gotten his move to Spurs last season it wouldn't even be a conversation, but he stuck around to get his boyhood club promoted and took the hit to his recognition. Time will eventually reveal all though.

jeff gurr · Nov 2, 2019

Winzaghi said:
I guess you can chalk this down to bias, but I think Grealish is comfortably the better player between him and Maddison. Said the same when they both had those breakout seasons in the Championship, but I guess 20 odd goals is more eye catching.

If Grealish had gotten his move to Spurs last season it wouldn't even be a conversation, but he stuck around to get his boyhood club promoted and took the hit to his recognition. Time will eventually reveal all though.

Both are good young English players who I would expect to be very successful in the prem. Maddison shows more of an urge to move to a big club than Grealish does though. I believe that for either player to develop they need to be be with a club challenging for the top spots.

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