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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
And going to get less than 10 minutes on the pre-show. Probably be more a angle than a match.
Enjoying this show so far.
Also I might have had a joint at work so my judgement is off.
Also I might have had a joint at work so my judgement is off.
My thoughts aswell, gotta be a reason why AJ is on preshow.
Becky/Sasha was great. I think that actually should've main evented. Crowd were even hot for the screwy finish.
I'll be surprised if Seth/Braun is anything above average.
I'll be surprised if Seth/Braun is anything above average.
Fiend 
Been an eventful week for WWE. I like how the fiend has been presented but I feel this title shot is too soon. A program with undertaker first would have been better. Now WWE have booked themselves in the corner (like they always do). If Fiend doesn't win the title then what was the point of all this. And if he wins then you have to start featuring him more , which at this stage is too soon. Seth beating the fiend by hook or crook would be the dumbest thing WWE could do. Either have Fiend win the match and give him the title or if you want to keep the title with Seth then have fiend completely destroy seth and just leave the arena. Maybe Bray in the following week can say Fiend is beyond any title and has bigger goals. FIEND CANNOT LOSE.
Brock challenging Kofi for the title is also not a surprise. We are going to see another ROman v. Brock feud eventually this time in SD brand. I would have preferred a Drew or Alister Black winning it from Kofi and thereby creating a new star but alas.
Looking forward to the draft picks. I hope they stick to it and have both the rosters from both the brands be exclusive to their own brands. WWE have a thick roster so they can easily have some fresh feuds for next year or so before having the next draft lottery pick or whatever. Interesting times ahead for WWE. Huge chance for them to regain their popularity and increase the viewers.
Brock challenging Kofi for the title is also not a surprise. We are going to see another ROman v. Brock feud eventually this time in SD brand. I would have preferred a Drew or Alister Black winning it from Kofi and thereby creating a new star but alas.
Looking forward to the draft picks. I hope they stick to it and have both the rosters from both the brands be exclusive to their own brands. WWE have a thick roster so they can easily have some fresh feuds for next year or so before having the next draft lottery pick or whatever. Interesting times ahead for WWE. Huge chance for them to regain their popularity and increase the viewers.
Maybe they'll give Bray the belt and build to a Fiend vs. The Demon at Mania (they'd have to do a bit of work on Balor/The Demon before then mind)?
In fact, the Demon showing up could be their way out.... whatever happens, I don't see Seth pinning the Fiend.
The difference between Brock, especially bearded Brock, and Kofi is staggering. Brock looks like he eats Kofi-sized steaks.
I hope he mauls Kofi in less than a minute.
I hope he mauls Kofi in less than a minute.
That is the obvious way to go with but the issue I always have with Finn is take away his face paint he is just another guy. I don't see any difference between him, Ricochet, Ali, Gable. They all are the same. I would prefer if they have Balor team up with the OC and work as a heel.
That's why they have to do a bit of work on Finn as a man to make him into a big deal. But if they go big on the Demon then I think Balor will become a bigger deal by assocation.
That would be a massive let-down.
Brock looks like he can eat everyone... Bryan, Balor, Styles etc. ... and he's had great competitive matches with all of them. I hope that this will be no different.
If they want to make that episode even more special, they could have Big E turn on Kofi and thus ending the New Day.
His only good matches post-MMA are against smaller wrestlers really. His match with Punk was good too iirc.
His first match against Cena was great and his Taker HIAC match was very good as was his first Mania match vs. Roman (with the Seth cashin)... but on the whole you're not wrong.
Clash of champions was basically a longer Raw which is not a good thing
Becky/ Sasha was easily motn but the ending was meh. It was just to set up hiac which is annoying
Fiend is great and ended the Ppv on a high. Braun Vs Rollins was fun btw.
Corbin has been fantastic In the kotr tournament. Gable is way too underrated. They should have had him win , Corbin didn't need the win .
Brock/ kofi could be fun if allowed. They should have Brock win and as he's celebrating alesiter black comes out and has a staredown with him
But not have the match straight away and build towards it
Becky/ Sasha was easily motn but the ending was meh. It was just to set up hiac which is annoying
Fiend is great and ended the Ppv on a high. Braun Vs Rollins was fun btw.
Corbin has been fantastic In the kotr tournament. Gable is way too underrated. They should have had him win , Corbin didn't need the win .
Brock/ kofi could be fun if allowed. They should have Brock win and as he's celebrating alesiter black comes out and has a staredown with him
But not have the match straight away and build towards it
Anyone else noticed Sasha’s lack of effort in the protecting Bliss with the flip off of the apron or on Flairs moonsault. Bayley taking all the bump on both occasions.
What’s his face from the Vikings as well 2nd week in a row he’s done that front flip from the post to the outside and last week I though he was away to die cause of a slip and this week he landed hard...
People seriously expecting the Fiend to beat Seth. The Fiend is going to go the way of all Bray Wyatt characters and lose and fade off in to obscurity. It’s also so far out there of a character it would never work and eventually people would get bored of the same old stick of an “actual monster” be better if the guy in the funhouse was his character and he just played a sort of deranged serial killer like person.
They should have cut the lights and he rolled out of the ring before they switched them back on with Seth still cowering in the corner. Still a stupid character.
What’s his face from the Vikings as well 2nd week in a row he’s done that front flip from the post to the outside and last week I though he was away to die cause of a slip and this week he landed hard...
People seriously expecting the Fiend to beat Seth. The Fiend is going to go the way of all Bray Wyatt characters and lose and fade off in to obscurity. It’s also so far out there of a character it would never work and eventually people would get bored of the same old stick of an “actual monster” be better if the guy in the funhouse was his character and he just played a sort of deranged serial killer like person.
They should have cut the lights and he rolled out of the ring before they switched them back on with Seth still cowering in the corner. Still a stupid character.
I think it's taken slightly for granted how good NxT is.
It's really feckin' good.
It's really feckin' good.
I agree. A character like The Fiend doesn't work in 2019 imo either.
Agreed. I think AEW will start off with decent ratings, but I think it'll struggle against NXT. NXT especially the takeovers are better than anything AEW has done.
Fiend needs to decimate Seth.
And with Survivor series coming, fiend vs Brock could be a possibility.
And with Survivor series coming, fiend vs Brock could be a possibility.
The Fiend is absolutely the best thing on WWE TV atm.
I've heard that Vince has no input on his character and this is Trip's pet project so hopefully he either wins the title at HiAC or decimates Seth and intentionally refuses to pin him so the title can stay on Rollins.
They should let Wyatt continue to take out old superstars. If Stone Cold could bring himself to actually put someone over they would have the biggest character in wrestling if Bray had choked out Austin.
I've heard that Vince has no input on his character and this is Trip's pet project so hopefully he either wins the title at HiAC or decimates Seth and intentionally refuses to pin him so the title can stay on Rollins.
They should let Wyatt continue to take out old superstars. If Stone Cold could bring himself to actually put someone over they would have the biggest character in wrestling if Bray had choked out Austin.
You want someone to either completely decimate Rollins? Utter nonsense. No-one should be doing that to the Universal Champion ffs.
What's the point of the Fiend if he destroys Rollins but doesn't pin him. What's the aim of his character. To aimlessly attack people and not try to win the title?
Lets say Wyatt does decimate Rollins - whats next for him. Who can pose a threat to the Fiend if he decimates the Universal Champ? Lesnar arguably but he's going to win the title off of Kofi.
Stone Cold shouldn't be putting over Wyatt either. No-one wants to see that.
Brock decimated Cena. It didnt harm either of them. Bray decimating Rollins would do wonders for him, and wouldnt harm Rollins at all given he has beaten Brock (twice) and Braun.
If Fiend wins the title, then they can have him go through challengers here and there whilst building up Aleister or Finn / Demon (given Finn got taken out by Fiend). Fiend vs Demon at WM could be awesome.
If Fiend wins the title, then they can have him go through challengers here and there whilst building up Aleister or Finn / Demon (given Finn got taken out by Fiend). Fiend vs Demon at WM could be awesome.
Replace Wyatt with Brock, and Rollins with Cena, and you ahve a similar story to a few years ago. Nobody really posed a threat to Brock, but when done right it still made for exciting match ups and the intrigue of who could go face to face. Easily can do the same for finding a threat for Bray. Theres so many ways they can go with that.
No-one wanted to see Taker putting over Brock at WM either. But it happened and they managed to get a good few years of story, promos and matches out of that moment
That is why this title shot is too soon for my liking. If Taker is ready to have one more match I would have built Fiend Taker story for Survivor series from now itself. Him winning the title now itself means WWE have booked themselves in a corner.
Well clearly someone does because I'd love to see that and plenty of other people echoed similar sentiments in this thread. Stone Cold is my all time fave as well.
The Universal Title means feck all anyway. They devalued it by having it on Brock for god knows how long without it even being mentioned or defended for months on end.
It sends a statement if Wyatt crushes Rollins and walks away without pining him. Rollins is dull as dishwater despite being an excellent worker. Having someone being dominant but showing no interest in the title bucks the trend and is the sort of thing I can see HHH wanting to do. It makes people talk and tune in. With AEW debuting soon all WWE will be concerned with for the foreseeable is viewing figures.
If Rollins wins, whether that be clean or with shenangins, it immediately ruins the best character in WWE right now and no one will take him seriously in the next feud. They cannot make the same mistake they did with Wyatt the first time around. He was the heir apparent to the Undertaker and they buried him repeatedly to put over stars who were already over.
The Universal title isn't devalued. It's clearly the main title on the show.
What statement does it send if Wyatt crushes Rollins and walks away without pinning him? If anything that'd devalue the title more the fact he could of won it but didn't care too.
Lets say Wyatt wins - what next? Is he ruined when he loses the title eventually?
Brock is on another level to the The Fiend. I don't think Brock Lesnar can be compared to The Fiend who's had what, one match? Plus, the whole fiends aura is built around fear, when he starts losing he loses that aura, and he's not going to hold the title forever. I really like Balor, but it's clear they aren't going to push him back to the main event for any extended length of time.
Correct. They don't have a big enough baby face to take it off of the Fiend either.
Lots of miserable bastards in here
I’m by no means a fan of this Fiend but I agree with what you’re saying. For me for this character to have longevity he needs to stay away from main event matches and getting a title shot now if that is the case is a mistake.
He’d be better off just doing sneak attacks for months taking out big names and stuff but not on a normal schedule. Right now I think it would be better if they don’t have a story between him and Rollins. Leave it where it was on RAW and just have the threat of the Fiend because as soon as they give him that title shot and say he gets the win then the gimmick is over.
The best Heal WWE have is Drew McIntyre and as per usual they sort of pushed him he did great stuff then for what ever reason they had him lose to nobodies and he hasn’t been seen for a bit. Although the best thing in WWE currently is surely The OC. They need Balor, put AJ back in title contention and somehow give Balor the US title.
The best thing in WWE is fiend.
WWE cant do long term booking so him doing the same attacks for a long time would get boring under WWE. They did Bray wrong the first time, this is their chance to make up for it.
This match will be intriguing. Bray losing as the Fiend will be a disaster imo.
WWE cant do long term booking so him doing the same attacks for a long time would get boring under WWE. They did Bray wrong the first time, this is their chance to make up for it.
This match will be intriguing. Bray losing as the Fiend will be a disaster imo.
I don't watch this anymore because I don't trust WWE creative to do anything right but from what I've read about this, I think the match will be inconclusive with Demon or someone attacking Fiend. That way, he doesn't get the title but looks strong beating the shit out of Seth "Mr. Personality" Rollins.
Bray winning as the Fiend would also be a disaster and will kill that gimmick. What good is a champ that can’t do promos, doesn’t speak but only shows up to give people mandible claws. Who’s going to go up against it, it’s a ridiculous character. Unless they get a body double for the Fiend and the guy in the fun house does all the talking like say Heyman.
Because its the same as Demon winning the NXT title.
The promos are still done by Bray himself in the fun house (like it was on Raw) whilst Fiend is the dark passenger of Bray that is unleashed.
How does it kill the gimmick?
Because it’s a character with no legs. There is absolutely no where for them to go after this. He should be no where near the title and instead just haunting people and doing the occasional PPV.
If and big if they strap a title on him by beating Seth what is next? How do they play the character? Works better by just being a threat in the back but not a main man. Each to their own of course but really can’t see this character lasting.
Only way this character can sustain if they keep booking it strong. I think eventually they have to turn the FIEND face (not a cheesy face like Rollins) and have him haunt heels. I think it can work if booked correctly.
By that logic Undertaker should never have been pushed.
Wrestling needs these kinds of characters in the main event.
If they book a strong heel champion who will be around more than Brock they can build a decent story to Mania. Fiend could easily be that guy. Bray Wyatt will make this work if given the chance.
The obvious choice is Fiend vs Demon but there are plenty of alternatives they could work towards. They need to move away from Rollins/Reigns always being around the title and build new stars.
Yeah I agree with that.
Anderson already admitted hes not a fan of fiend. Winning the title killing a gimmick is quite a bizarre statement.
Not winning however will not be great. I just hope they dont do a lame DQ ending (its a HIAC match right?)
The Undertaker is completely different he was something grounded in real life who still had the ability to speak. The Fiend so far is portrayed like the boogy man was. Bray as the Wyatt family was a far more believable character that WWE screwed up.
The guy they should have pushed as main heal was Drew after he demolished Kurt a proper heal, not this fairytale make believe BS.
Now I see people saying they want the Fiend to be a face? What are you guys smoking and can I have some. How in the hell does the Fiend become a face?
@AshRK how do you book him strong is the problem? Especially if he has a title strapped around him? A character like that just doesn’t work walking down the to the ring every Raw and doing promos and stuff.
@Sylar it’s not a bizarre statement. It’s simply just not going to work with a title strapped around him for the reason I mentioned above. There is no where to go for it and the bizzarest statement I’ve read on here is that “turn him Face” how the hell do you turn a monster face? Let’s get this clear as well, The Fiend is nothing like the Undertaker or The Demon.
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The Demon will interfere and cost him the match. Fiend vs Demon and hopefully Fiend kills off the Demon.
Demon is money so killing it off would be crazy.
They just need to work on Finn balor and stop having him smile so much and losing so much. Smiling is not a character. They tried it with Rocky Maivia and it flopped, and that was over 20 years ago.
Like face Taker?