Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal: Who Will Win The Premier League First?

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Spurs are the third currently, so them. But will they still be strong in a few years? Probably. I would have Spurs and Chelsea, then us and then Arsenal. In a few years, things can change up top, depending on when Klopp and Pep leave really, Spurs have the most continuity out of the rest, so i would back them to still be up there somewhere in a few years.
 

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Chelsea. After they're done with this Lampard/kindergarten experiment they'll hire a great coach ala Allegri and get him the players to get it done. We aren't even heading in the right direction, Arsenal arent interested in heading in the right direction and Spurs are skint and we all know why. Not convinced Poch could build a trully great side either.
 

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Spurs are the third currently, so them. But will they still be strong in a few years? Probably. I would have Spurs and Chelsea, then us and then Arsenal. In a few years, things can change up top, depending on when Klopp and Pep leave really, Spurs have the most continuity out of the rest, so i would back them to still be up there somewhere in a few years.
Spurs' best players are running down their contracts hoping to get last big paychecks. Very difficult to build a title winning squad when you keep losing high end talent.
 

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United would be the most likely candidate, purely on the basis of their far superior resources to the other sides. I say this because I do not see anyone other than City or Liverpool winning the league title this season and at least next season too. In which time, I'd back United to have finally stumbled upon a competent manager.
 

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Chelsea seem to bounce back well but is Roman lacking a bit now due to other things going on.

I sometimes think if Poch stays on at Spurs and Pep and Klopp leave he could be the one to do it first.

I'd lean towards Chelsea but I do think it's up for grabs for the top 5-6 in a few years. United might just do it after keeping up the spending in a lowish points total season.
 

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Ok so none of the players I mentioned are going to leave when their contracts are up, none of the players who want to leave will and none of the players that need upgrading (imo) are going to be everything stays as it is and that Spurs side are going to win the league.... :lol:
Well done for listing things that I didn't say. I guess it's what passes for debate in your eyes :rolleyes:

PS. The thread topic is not about which team will the league now, it's about which of the four clubs cited will win the league before the other three do so.
 

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Well done for listing things that I didn't say. I guess it's what passes for debate in your eyes :rolleyes:

PS. The thread topic is not about which team will the league now, it's about which of the four clubs cited will win the league before the other three do so.
Did you not? My apologies I thought you were suggesting Lloris is fine, Rose is fine, Vertonghen and Eriksen wont need replacing as they'll stay. I guess if you didn't say any of that then you do agree with what I said all along and all will need replacing then :)
 

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That strategy is ridiculous. Pep left Barca after missing out in the title, they won the very next title with a record points total, more than Pep had ever achieved. We have to step up to the plate, Liverpool did and now its our turn to do the same. I have no doubt that Chelsea after the ban is over will try to do the same.
So that obviously means it's gonna happen again then, clearly.

The point is, while it could indeed happen again, realistically speaking our best chance is in a couple of seasons when we're in better shape (hopefully), and Pep and Klopp have left their respective clubs. Really not sure why that's so controversial, to be honest. That's not to say it will happen (i acknowledge in the op that it's still gonna be difficult), just looking at it from a realistic standpoint.

And in fact, you mention Liverpool, but they took a few seasons of building under Klopp before they were challenging.. That's basically all I'm advocating for. Building for the near future and being ready to capitalise on our opponents being weaker (in theory) when the managers who made them what they are leave.
 

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Did you not? My apologies I thought you were suggesting Lloris is fine, Rose is fine, Vertonghen and Eriksen wont need replacing as they'll stay. I guess if you didn't say any of that then you do agree with what I said all along and all will need replacing then :)
Concerning the 4 players you mention:

Lloris is fine - yes.
Rose is fine - yes
Vertonghen likely won't need replacing.
Eriksen will likely need replacing - Lo Celso already signed + may well go back in for Dybala in January.

The above is what I said, as distinct from your invented version of what I'd said, namely:

"... none of the players …. are going to leave when their contracts are up, none of the players who want to leave will and none of the players that need upgrading (imo) are going to be everything stays as it is and that Spurs side are going to win the league"
 

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Concerning the 4 players you mention:

Lloris is fine - yes.
Rose is fine - yes
Vertonghen likely won't need replacing.
Eriksen will likely need replacing - Lo Celso already signed + may well go back in for Dybala in January.

The above is what I said, as distinct from your invented version of what I'd said, namely:

"... none of the players …. are going to leave when their contracts are up, none of the players who want to leave will and none of the players that need upgrading (imo) are going to be everything stays as it is and that Spurs side are going to win the league"
ah so you were splitting hairs then. Well colour me shocked, not like you to be pedantic is it
 

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Interesting how opinions may or may not have changed 9 months later.

Manchester United look the best they have done since Fergie left. That midfield of Bruno and Pogba looks quality, and you guys have a talented young strike force.
Chelsea have already signed Ziyech and Werner for next season
Arsenal are... well

It’s close between United and Chelsea, I think it could go either way.
 
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Interesting how opinions may or may not have changed 9 months later.

Manchester United look the best they have done since Fergie left. That midfield of Bruno and Pogba looks quality, and you guys have a talented young strike force.
Chelsea have already signed Ziyech and Werner for next season
Arsenal are... well

It’s close between United and Chelsea, I think it could go either way.
What are your thoughts on Spurs?
 

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What are your thoughts on Spurs?
Irrelevant with respect to a title challenge. No funds given their stadium debt & the pandemic ensures they can't even flog Kane off for €150m to Real Madrid as had been rumoured. They're stuck with a dinosaur manager trying to cope with a squad that badly needs upgrading.
 

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Us, Spurs and Chelsea are in a similar place squad wise, with Arsenal further behind. Spurs have a shorter window but it'll coincide with the current Liverpool and City teams.

If you believe in cycles, us and Chelsea are in the best position to avail of Liverpool slowing down and Guardiola inevitably fecking off.
 

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What are your thoughts on Spurs?
I reckon that they are in a better position than Arsenal. They have a nice quadrant of attacking players (Kane, Son, Bergwijn & Lo Celso). Their defence is ageing but Jose is the right man to fix that problem.

With that said, I don’t expect them to win the PL simply because they don’t have the resources for it.
 

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It'll be Chelsea or United. Arsenal are more likely to be repegated than win the league in the next decade and Spurs had their chance the year Leicester won.
 

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Chelsea I think - I’ve zero faith in Arsenal, though I acknowledge the narrative seems to have changed in regard to the objectives of the ownership; Spurs have a decent chance but I can see the argument that they might’ve peaked already; and feck-knows what will happen with United from one season to the next but driving forward towards a title-challenge seems unlikely under the current set-up. Chelsea I think would be the team most likely to have the drive to be take advantage of any down-turn in City and Liverpool to go and grab a title.

Liverpool’s title win this season might see Pep leave City at the end of the season for somewhere like Juventus or PSG as I don’t think he’ll respond well to having actual domestic competition, but Klopp will at least see out his current contract I think - only once he fecks-off might other teams have a chance again.
Pretty much this still, especially since that evil cnut Klopp has extended his contract at Liverpool - what a cnut that man is seriously.

But anyway:

1. Chelsea are investing heavily already, and seem to be showing the spirit and togetherness right now to secure top 4, and should be second favourites behind City in the FA Cup. Add that they are relatively recent title winners and I think they have to be favourites from this lot.

2. United are going OK now, but so many false-dawns over the last seven years it’s hard to get too cocky. Will We fall apart when Bruno is missing? Will Pogba’s team cause more off-field distractions? What will we do in the transfer window? We need to do what we are doing now over the course of a season before we can talk about any sort of challenge. Even Champions League next season is far from certain for us either.

3. Spurs have indeed peaked from where they were, and have down-graded their manager since I wrote that reply, though maybe his style still has a title-challenge in it somewhere. Depends on when Mourinho will self-destruct, but not likely title-winners as things stand.

4. Arsenal... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Chelsea are just weird one, they always seem to remain competitive despite the managerial merry-go-round. They've rarely sunk as low as we have. I'd back them to win the next one because I simply don't think Ole is up to it and we'll stick with him for far too long. Especially if he can't finish minimum 4th this season.

Arsenal are Arsenal and Spurs are Spurs.
 

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Wow, Chelsea's odds relative to United are insane. Cannot think of a reason that we'd be 56% favoured over United, unless there's some insider transfer info we're not privy to.
The fact Chelsea have signed players already will have had a few people betting on them, this driving down the odds.
 

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When this thread was started in September, most replies seemed to be, "Chelsea". That still looks like marginally the most likely option, based on this season (and the last 7 years).

I don't think any of the sides mentioned will win it in the next two seasons, though.
 

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Wow, Chelsea's odds relative to United are insane. Cannot think of a reason that we'd be 56% favoured over United, unless there's some insider transfer info we're not privy to.
Chelsea have been above United all season, finished above them last season and have won the title more recently too
 

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When this thread was started in September, most replies seemed to be, "Chelsea". That still looks like marginally the most likely option, based on this season (and the last 7 years).

I don't think any of the sides mentioned will win it in the next two seasons, though.

I think so too. My bet would be none of them will win IT, in the next two years.
 

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Can't decide between us and Chelsea really, but Chelsea have been consistently up there and are more recently successful at winning the league than us so I'd probably logically go with them. I'm feeling positive about what we're building though. Think it'll be awhile since either of us win it, 2-3 years at least.
 

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Chelsea. More consistent than us and seem on a good track IMO. They may not win it in the next one or two years, but they will be in a good position for quite some time.

United i don't know, we are on the up, but a lot depends on what we do the next year and how Ole improves. If we can both kick up another level squad wise and coaching wise, we should have a good chance. Liverpool and even a struggling City side are still ahead of us with relative ease. A Jadon Sancho alone won't be enough, and even getting him will prove difficult this summer.

Spurs and Arsenal won't win it in the next 5 years anyway. Spurs have a good attack and decent midfield, but their defense (except for Sanchez) sucks and it depends how much money they can invest. Plus who replaces Jose will be key as well.

Arsenal have some good talents, but they have a lot of problems. They will need a couple of years to sort themselves out if they do it right and have a good base to go from there. But a title fight won't be in it for them in the next years, nevermind winning it.
 
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Wow, Chelsea's odds relative to United are insane. Cannot think of a reason that we'd be 56% favoured over United, unless there's some insider transfer info we're not privy to.
25/1 is a bit of an outlier for United, most bookies offering 12/1, 14/1 or 16/1. There's not too much between Chelsea and United, but Chelsea right to be slightly favoured.

A lot of Chelsea's poor form at times was of your own making. Lampard has now realised that many of Chelsea's kids are neither ready nor that great, and your form has picked up since he has accepted that your senior players are the ones who should be playing. You've already signed Werner and Ziyech to join them too.

Would anyone be surprised if United had another disappointing summer where Lingard and Pereira end up staying, we get stuck with Sanchez too, and the only new arrival is someone like Grealish? Chelsea have already done great business and the betting markets price them to do even more. United have it all to do, and don't look particularly close to signing anyone.
 

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This is in danger of becoming a one horse title race for the next couple of season's

fecking depressing.
One horse? City are odds on at most bookies and rightly so. It's an absolute miracle that Liverpool are anywhere close to 100 points with their level of performance.
 

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Likely Chelsea.They just have that knack whoever they're managed by.
Regarding ourselves,I like what we're building but I dont think Ole can/will take us up to that next vital level.
 

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Chelsea will win it next season. Liverpool won’t retain it and I think city are a couple of years from winning it again.

United need 3 starters to win it, I think we’ll put all eggs in the Sancho basket.
 

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I don't think the current Pool has it in them to make it a dynasty sort of thing, like people are fearing. As they get bigger, these Mane and Salah type deals would be tougher to find as clubs will look to charge them a higher amount, something I don't think their finances allow. Even, if we do account for increased sponsorship due to rise in stature, they'd first have to negotiate much better deals with their players rather.
Add to that, their entire side is basically of the same age group - VVD, Salah, Mane, Firmino are all 28 and considering a major part of their game is based on pace and they play a high tempo game, one has to wonder, how long will they last.

Coming to Chelsea, they are building a pretty good side, I'd have to admit and like United are building it the right way. However, I fear that their defence is a bit too shaky. Instead of signing Werner, I'd probably have gone for a CB as Rudiger apart (who himself is injury prone), their CBs aren't really that good. Azpi is on his last legs as well and Alonso is well just not good enough while defending

We, ourselves, are a weird case. I'd say if we can add a RW, CDM and a CB this summer and then focus on adding depth to the side the next summer, I'd fancy us to probably dominate the league for a few years. Most of our players are in their early twenties and would have reached around 24-25 years of age when we're completely done with our squad building. This would mean that us, like Chelsea (provided they sign defenders of the right age), would be best placed for a title challenge in the next few years.