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Bang onHe's on the money.
I wish our fan base - online at least (the match-day fans definitely get it) would understand that this is all about the long-term.
Any fan judging Ole on what happens this season alone is failing to see the bigger picture.
What I love the most is that Ole wants Sancho.. but it was impossible to prise him away from Dortmund this summer.. but did the club panic buy and say 'well let's get Bale in - or let's buy somebody else for that position"? - no.. the club has patience. The board, the manager, the players all know where it's going.
Ole also wants either Longstaff or Rice but neither could be prised away... did we panic buy instead? No. We are taking our time to build the type of team and type of identity Man Utd needs to get back to the top.
The board are fully behind Ole and the fans need to get in line too.
Anybody complaining about results/performances this season are missing the point of what the club are trying to do.
This is all about the bigger picture.
We all need a large dollop of my username.
I'm on board.I wish our fan base - online at least (the match-day fans definitely get it) would understand that this is all about the long-term...
Agreed with this point especially. Look at Liverpool, they were unable to get Van Dijk that summer when they were trying hard to get him. Instead of panic buying some other CB they waited and got him later. Think City did something similar with Mahrez.What I love the most is that Ole wants Sancho.. but it was impossible to prise him away from Dortmund this summer.. but did the club panic buy and say 'well let's get Bale in - or let's buy somebody else for that position"? - no.. the club has patience. The board, the manager, the players all know where it's going.
All of what you say is true but it is all on the assumption that Ole will be a good enough coach once all the pieces are fixed. He might not be, and we might be investing time in someone who is never going to be good enough. There isn't much to suggest which way it will go at the moment. I'm very happy with what he has been doing off the field but on pitch it is worrying. I wonder if he would have been more suited to the DOF job than the manager position.He's on the money.
I wish our fan base - online at least (the match-day fans definitely get it) would understand that this is all about the long-term.
Any fan judging Ole on what happens this season alone is failing to see the bigger picture.
What I love the most is that Ole wants Sancho.. but it was impossible to prise him away from Dortmund this summer.. but did the club panic buy and say 'well let's get Bale in - or let's buy somebody else for that position"? - no.. the club has patience. The board, the manager, the players all know where it's going.
Ole also wants either Longstaff or Rice but neither could be prised away... did we panic buy instead? No. We are taking our time to build the type of team and type of identity Man Utd needs to get back to the top.
The board are fully behind Ole and the fans need to get in line too.
Anybody complaining about results/performances this season are missing the point of what the club are trying to do.
This is all about the bigger picture.
We all need a large dollop of my username.
Even if we're finishing mid-table? I agree that he appears to be doing great work off the pitch but that's got to start translating onto the pitch sooner then later, or else what's the point in keeping him on as manager? Ole might as well be used as a DOF if all he's going to do is build a team.I fully agree with Gary, it is really important that Utd keep Ole on for the next couple of windows to finish this job. We need to stop this nonsense that was started post Fergie. If we change the manager we need to make sure we have a DoF onboard to continue the plan set in motion by Ole. Give him money in January and give him next summer for recruiting our spine.
How does not winning now translate into winning in the future?He's on the money.
I wish our fan base - online at least (the match-day fans definitely get it) would understand that this is all about the long-term.
Any fan judging Ole on what happens this season alone is failing to see the bigger picture.
What I love the most is that Ole wants Sancho.. but it was impossible to prise him away from Dortmund this summer.. but did the club panic buy and say 'well let's get Bale in - or let's buy somebody else for that position"? - no.. the club has patience. The board, the manager, the players all know where it's going.
Ole also wants either Longstaff or Rice but neither could be prised away... did we panic buy instead? No. We are taking our time to build the type of team and type of identity Man Utd needs to get back to the top.
The board are fully behind Ole and the fans need to get in line too.
Anybody complaining about results/performances this season are missing the point of what the club are trying to do.
This is all about the bigger picture.
We all need a large dollop of my username.
Can't see why they would sell. United would cost too much for the buyer as well. Would have made more sense had we declined off the pitch as well.I think Ole is a place-holder and not in the way we think.
I genuinely think the Glazers are looking to sell - probably in around 1-2yrs. I think they'll spend as little as possible in the transfer windows while peddling the 'patience' narrative to the media/fans and in Ole they have a manager the fans are unlikely to turn on and thus, will give time to allow them to quietly plan their exit.
I think by summer 2021 they will be gone, we'll be cemented as a top 8-10 team and Ole will be replaced by whoever is the new owner(s).
I think Ole is a place-holder and not in the way we think.
I genuinely think the Glazers are looking to sell - probably in around 1-2yrs. I think they'll spend as little as possible in the transfer windows while peddling the 'patience' narrative to the media/fans and in Ole they have a manager the fans are unlikely to turn on and thus, will give time to allow them to quietly plan their exit.
I think by summer 2021 they will be gone, we'll be cemented as a top 8-10 team and Ole will be replaced by whoever is the new owner(s).
Under Van Gaal we chased a mixture of short and long term and same under Jose. Bailly Lindelof, Shaw Depay, Martial, Schneirdelin Lukaku, Pogba, Fred Dalot all under 26 when we signed themOn the money as usual.
Chasing short term targets is the reason we are in the mess we are now. If we do now have a long term plan, stick to it.
Quite surprising really because he generally makes more sense than most pundits.But here,yes,he's talking BS.Carragher is a total tool in this clip
Hmm, I dunno. Leaving glaring holes in the team on the assumption that they will just join us next time we come knocking doesn't seem smart. How long are we to wait for Sancho to come around to the idea of joining United? What if that is 3 years from now? should we leave the right wing vacant till then? As for the midfield, I have to question the judgement of Ole and the club if they have decided to persist with midfield a lacking in depth and quality because they only wanted Longstaff or Rice. Maybe Sancho is worth waiting for but these 2 are not the only midfielders around and they are not the only ones who can improve the team, if they continue to develop they will only become more costly and harder to prise from their clubs. Having your prime targets is fine but we should scout and sound out other options for if these don't pan out.He's on the money.
I wish our fan base - online at least (the match-day fans definitely get it) would understand that this is all about the long-term.
Any fan judging Ole on what happens this season alone is failing to see the bigger picture.
What I love the most is that Ole wants Sancho.. but it was impossible to prise him away from Dortmund this summer.. but did the club panic buy and say 'well let's get Bale in - or let's buy somebody else for that position"? - no.. the club has patience. The board, the manager, the players all know where it's going.
Ole also wants either Longstaff or Rice but neither could be prised away... did we panic buy instead? No. We are taking our time to build the type of team and type of identity Man Utd needs to get back to the top.
The board are fully behind Ole and the fans need to get in line too.
Anybody complaining about results/performances this season are missing the point of what the club are trying to do.
This is all about the bigger picture.
We all need a large dollop of my username.
We have finished from 5th-7th so I don't see us be below that. We will be competing for 4th this season. If we finish below 6th-7th there isn't really any debate about it. But of course its connected to us doing reasonably well.Even if we're finishing mid-table? I agree that he appears to be doing great work off the pitch but that's got to start translating onto the pitch sooner then later, or else what's the point in keeping him on as manager? Ole might as well be used as a DOF if all he's going to do is build a team.
A mixed bag of not good enough, not the right fit, not the right mentality. And then you throw in signings like Sanchez (to play left wing over Rashford and Martial). The hope is we've learnt our lesson from such a scattergun approach.Under Van Gaal we chased a mixture of short and long term and same under Jose. Bailly Lindelof, Shaw Depay, Martial, Schneirdelin Lukaku, Pogba, Fred Dalot all under 26 when we signed them
That makes absolutely no sense. If they were really looking to sell then they would want to do it when the team is at it's most valuable. A team who wins the league is more valuable than a team who finishes 8th-10th place...I think Ole is a place-holder and not in the way we think.
I genuinely think the Glazers are looking to sell - probably in around 1-2yrs. I think they'll spend as little as possible in the transfer windows while peddling the 'patience' narrative to the media/fans and in Ole they have a manager the fans are unlikely to turn on and thus, will give time to allow them to quietly plan their exit.
I think by summer 2021 they will be gone, we'll be cemented as a top 8-10 team and Ole will be replaced by whoever is the new owner(s).
Explain to me how you've come to this conclusion. I've seen it a few times now but it's never qualified.I think Ole is a place-holder and not in the way we think.
I genuinely think the Glazers are looking to sell - probably in around 1-2yrs. I think they'll spend as little as possible in the transfer windows while peddling the 'patience' narrative to the media/fans and in Ole they have a manager the fans are unlikely to turn on and thus, will give time to allow them to quietly plan their exit.
I think by summer 2021 they will be gone, we'll be cemented as a top 8-10 team and Ole will be replaced by whoever is the new owner(s).
I personally can't see Ole being a good enough coach. I hope I'm wrong.All of what you say is true but it is all on the assumption that Ole will be a good enough coach once all the pieces are fixed. He might not be, and we might be investing time in someone who is never going to be good enough. There isn't much to suggest which way it will go at the moment. I'm very happy with what he has been doing off the field but on pitch it is worrying. I wonder if he would have been more suited to the DOF job than the manager position.
Definitely agree about the not panic buying as that’s what got us into a lot of the mess we’re currently in now. Ole clearly wants Sancho, Maddison and Rice or Longstaff (my preference is Rice) but it wasn’t possible this summer so we play the long game and they become our priority targets next summer like Maguire and Wan-Bisakka were this summer.He's on the money.
I wish our fan base - online at least (the match-day fans definitely get it) would understand that this is all about the long-term.
Any fan judging Ole on what happens this season alone is failing to see the bigger picture.
What I love the most is that Ole wants Sancho.. but it was impossible to prise him away from Dortmund this summer.. but did the club panic buy and say 'well let's get Bale in - or let's buy somebody else for that position"? - no.. the club has patience. The board, the manager, the players all know where it's going.
Ole also wants either Longstaff or Rice but neither could be prised away... did we panic buy instead? No. We are taking our time to build the type of team and type of identity Man Utd needs to get back to the top.
The board are fully behind Ole and the fans need to get in line too.
Anybody complaining about results/performances this season are missing the point of what the club are trying to do.
This is all about the bigger picture.
We all need a large dollop of my username.
United are 3rd in the league over Ole's 26 league games (2/3 of a full season) so far. Table is:Even if we're finishing mid-table? I agree that he appears to be doing great work off the pitch but that's got to start translating onto the pitch sooner then later, or else what's the point in keeping him on as manager? Ole might as well be used as a DOF if all he's going to do is build a team.
Expectations aren't being dropped becauae we have an ex as a coach. Expectations are rightly being dropped because there is a realisation that we need to clear the decks and depend mostly on young players who have never achieved anything.Finish top 4 and play good football and Ole stays for next season. Anything else and he should follow the previous managers. We're not going to drop the expectations for United even more than how it already dropped just because we now have an ex-legend as a manager. He would and should be evaluated like any other manager. The results will determine his fate.
Hmm, I dunno. Leaving glaring holes in the team on the assumption that they will just join us next time we come knocking doesn't seem smart. How long are we to wait for Sancho to come around to the idea of joining United? What if that is 3 years from now? should we leave the right wing vacant till then? As for the midfield, I have to question the judgement of Ole and the club if they have decided to persist with midfield a lacking in depth and quality because they only wanted Longstaff or Rice. Maybe Sancho is worth waiting for but these 2 are not the only midfielders around and they are not the only ones who can improve the team, if they continue to develop they will only become more costly and harder to prise from their clubs. Having your prime targets is fine but we should scout and sound out other options for if these don't pan out.
I get your point about a long term overhaul and bringing in personnel who are a good fit, but we also have to know what we're waiting for. Right now we're relying on lots of the young guys coming good, on Ole proving to be a great coach, and on targets wanting to come/being attainable. If it pays off then great, but if not we could end up in an even worse position.