There is no United Way it’s Fergie’s way

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92% of United fans(it’s a fact) grew up as Ferguson being manager. There is no United way we where crap before Fergie and I hate people clinging to the United way but it doesn’t exist as we had a World class Manager for years who played a certain way which people think is the United way which is not through, its like Pep at City it’s not the city way it’s how city play under him so please stop thank you.

I’m not against/for ole I want what is best for Man Utd tonight wasn’t anything to complain about we got the job done with kids but the thread about Ole was all about United way it’s doesnt exist
 

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Cough Busby Cough.

The United way of youth and entertaining football predates Ferguson. He just put it on steroids.
 

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92% of United fans(it’s a fact) grew up as Ferguson being manager. There is no United way we where crap before Fergie and I hate people clinging to the United way but it doesn’t exist as we had a World class Manager for years who played a certain way which people think is the United way which is not through, its like Pep at City it’s not the city way it’s how city play under him so please stop thank you.

I’m not against/for ole I want what is best for Man Utd tonight wasn’t anything to complain about we got the job done with kids but the thread about Ole was all about United way it’s doesnt exist
What the feck? You seem to be forgetting that we also had a certain Sir Matt Busby in charge for 25 years, who basically set the "United way" that Sir Alex followed when he came here. Not to mention some managers in between who tried but couldn't quite get it to work like Ron Atkinson. So no, it's not "only Fergie's way", it was always the United way for anything good that we've ever done.
 

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Why you saying Busby does 25 years not count ?? I remember Sir Busby but it doesn’t make up for the long time in between
 

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Sir Matt Busby created the United way. Attacking football, concentrating on youth. The Busby Babes were legends and this was pretty much the basis of the United way.

The club was never rubbish, just not as elite as Liverpool. Before SAF the club had still won the following;

7 League Titles,
6 FA Cups,
1 European Cup,
9 Charity Shields.
 

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Why you saying Busby does 25 years not count ?? I remember Sir Busby but it doesn’t make up for the long time in between
You made the thread stating it is the Fergie way not the United way. Nothing to do with any gaps in success. The guy proved your OP wrong with facts.
 

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92% of United fans(it’s a fact) grew up as Ferguson being manager. There is no United way we where crap before Fergie and I hate people clinging to the United way but it doesn’t exist as we had a World class Manager for years who played a certain way which people think is the United way which is not through, its like Pep at City it’s not the city way it’s how city play under him so please stop thank you.

I’m not against/for ole I want what is best for Man Utd tonight wasn’t anything to complain about we got the job done with kids but the thread about Ole was all about United way it’s doesnt exist
Why you saying Busby does 25 years not count ?? I remember Sir Busby but it doesn’t make up for the long time in between
:lol:
 

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Agree. The United way has become a pretty cliche term to be totally honest.
 

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Fergie never played any "certain way"....In fact his entire ethos was the complete opposite of such an ideology.

The biggest reason he was the GOAT manager he was, was his ability and willingness to adapt his style to suit whatever the era demanded... His many separate successful sides relied on different assistants and different coaches, promoting different tactics to compete with the ever changing challenges of the different eras.

If anything goes against the idea of a "Fergie way" it's assuming there was one, and reverting back to it, rather than looking forward and trying to adapt to the challenges of 2019!
 

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92% of United fans(it’s a fact) grew up as Ferguson being manager. There is no United way we where crap before Fergie and I hate people clinging to the United way but it doesn’t exist as we had a World class Manager for years who played a certain way which people think is the United way which is not through, its like Pep at City it’s not the city way it’s how city play under him so please stop thank you.

I’m not against/for ole I want what is best for Man Utd tonight wasn’t anything to complain about we got the job done with kids but the thread about Ole was all about United way it’s doesnt exist
We had a lot of poor European performances under SAF to be honest. I always say 2 CL’s was a disappointing return considering we were so successful domestically.
 

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Fergie never played any "certain way"....In fact his entire ethos was the complete opposite of such an ideology.

The biggest reason he was the GOAT manager he was, was his ability and willingness to adapt his style to suit whatever the era demanded... His many separate successful sides relied on different assistants and different coaches, promoting different tactics to compete with the ever changing challenges of the different eras.

If anything goes against the idea of a "Fergie way" it's assuming there was one, and reverting back to it, rather than looking forward and trying to adapt to the challenges of 2019!
Agree. I remember Fergie's final few years at the club, the football wasn't great but we kept winning, which obviously papers over the cracks.

Saf found it considerably harder to mount any half decent entertaining teams after CR7 left...mainly due to the 'no value in the market' mantra.
 

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Sir Matt created ‘the United way’ and it continued all the way through to the end of Sir Alex’s reign but only Sir Matt and Sir Alex were able to turn it into a winning formula, since Sir Alex we’ve strayed and then sprinted away from that brand of football but Ole (whether he turns it into a winning one or not) is putting that right.
 

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This will not end well for OP.

I suggest you go offline for a while, change your name, grow some beard, wear sunglasses, etc.

Do it.
 

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What is the United way anyway? Is it just giving a manager an indefinite amount of time until he comes good?
 

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92% of United fans(it’s a fact) grew up as Ferguson being manager. There is no United way we where crap before Fergie and I hate people clinging to the United way but it doesn’t exist as we had a World class Manager for years who played a certain way which people think is the United way which is not through, its like Pep at City it’s not the city way it’s how city play under him so please stop thank you.

I’m not against/for ole I want what is best for Man Utd tonight wasn’t anything to complain about we got the job done with kids but the thread about Ole was all about United way it’s doesnt exist
92% of United supporters were born after 1986? feck off!
 

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The 'United Way' is a philosophy that took us to our two most successful periods in the clubs history, has gave us an unbelievable record of always having an academy gradute in our squad through out all our success and finally is the reason i fell in love with United in the first place.

It wasn't the dominating period under Fergie which made me love United, but the history, the story, the fighting back against all obstacles, which our support base seems to have lost these days.

Following the 'United Way' isnt only what matters, but having a manager, staff and players that believe in that approach, and understand that the history of this club and all it has been through is the reason our players should give that little bit extra, and also shows why youth is important to us, because they grow up loving and breathing that history.

We finally have manager who umderstands this, and just needs time to continue to grow himself as he is still young, but also make sure he has a squad and staff beside him that believe in this.

And to me, this is the United way and philosophy we ahould be back to.
 
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92% of United fans(it’s a fact) grew up as Ferguson being manager. There is no United way we where crap before Fergie and I hate people clinging to the United way but it doesn’t exist as we had a World class Manager for years who played a certain way which people think is the United way which is not through, its like Pep at City it’s not the city way it’s how city play under him so please stop thank you.

I’m not against/for ole I want what is best for Man Utd tonight wasn’t anything to complain about we got the job done with kids but the thread about Ole was all about United way it’s doesnt exist
Seems so you need to educate yourself about the club you support.
 

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Of course there is a United way FFS.

We have had two long periods of dominance- mid 50s to the late 60s and early 90s to the mid teens of the next millennium.

We were devastating in both generations and both generations are identical.

Fast young players, a lot of whom came through the academy.. Wingers with speed, playing on the counter attack.

How can you say United don't have 'a way'? United have more of a 'way' than any other club on the planet.

What planet do you live on?

80-years of having academy players in EVERY match day squad - and this fella says 'United don't have a way'. Jeeeesus Christ!

I would say the post above mine says it all about you - you don't truly understand the club you claim to support, mate.
 

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Fergie never played any "certain way"....In fact his entire ethos was the complete opposite of such an ideology.

The biggest reason he was the GOAT manager he was, was his ability and willingness to adapt his style to suit whatever the era demanded... His many separate successful sides relied on different assistants and different coaches, promoting different tactics to compete with the ever changing challenges of the different eras.

If anything goes against the idea of a "Fergie way" it's assuming there was one, and reverting back to it, rather than looking forward and trying to adapt to the challenges of 2019!
Indeed. His two Champions League winning sides were markedly different in their approaches when it came to big games and European competition: compare and contrast the 3-3 draws against Barcelona in 98/99 with conceding a grand total of 2 goals during the knockout stages of the CL in 07/08.
 

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The period immediately before Munich and the recovery up to winning the European Cup in 68 defined the 'United Way'. Attacking entertaining football based on hard work, mostly British players, and above all players bred 'in house' with a sprinkling of purchased 'stars'. Three 'world players of the year', all British, two home grown. And there would have been more before these three if they hadn't died in 58.
That is when the football world fell in love with United. I remember radio programmes made interviewing people in remote places on earth asking what they thought of when they thought of England, inevitably United and Bobby Charlton were in the first three named ( usually with Winston Churchill).
Fergie revived that spirit, he adapted it for the modern world, and continued to adapt as fashions changed. But definitely he embraced Busby's philosophies and spirit.
I hope Ole is steadily doing the same. Its not a quick fix, but could be enduring which is what is required. He has the basis of some good kids to work with, 'super mac' epitomises the old work ethic, Greenwood and Garner are 'once in a generation' players, and he has bought well this summer.
He needs 2 years to mature the team, and find the odd genius for the attacking positions.
 
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92% of Internet forum fans, maybe.

Not 92% of real fans.

92% of United fans are not 11>30 years old.

The world of Red Cafe. :)
 

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Fergie was constantly evolving our style. His true genius was how he kept players extremely motivated.

I agree there is no specific United way in our playing style, but we do have a tradition of giving youth a chance.
 

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Ferguson himself had multiple teams that played different style of football during his tenure.
 

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I wont get into this whole "United way" or "Ferguson way" debate but there is no single philosophy which can remain unchanged or even 10 years leave alone decades in united's case. There is no set "way" or "philosophy" for any club. You change with the time and if you manage to do it faster than the other guys you end up giving yourself chance of winning.

Ferguson himself was very pragmatic manager, he hated liverpool and wanted to beat them just as bad as any hardcore Man Utd fan but even he was fine with grinding a draw at anfield.

United i grew up watching played 4-4-2 and if you want to play that formation these days then i can guarantee you, you wont win many trophies against Liverpool or Man City unless you have messi(peak) or ronaldo(peak) on your team. Even valverde has struggled to win UCL playing 4-4-2 with world class players in all positions.
 

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My problem is the interpretation of United way from some is "play attacking football and youth". This is hardly a rocket science thing that no other club does to be particularly called "United way". Barca had many of their best players from their academy and play attacking possession based football, does that mean it's also the "Barca way" ?

The term itself has become a bit of a cliche imo.
 

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I would argue that if we didn’t evolve the United Way, we wouldn’t survive in the current footballing period. We would be destroyed most weeks if we put out what you would consider a united way line up of mostly youth from our academy and sprinkling of bought talents. The league has changed tremendously. You can do that when playing in Europe against weaker leagues but in the premier league, we would be sliding down the table.

For it to be successful, we would have to change our setup and spend at the youth level instead of the senior level. The problem with that is our academy would need to be huge and spend lots to attract and develop lots of talent. Not many will make it through to the finished product that can compete in the current league and many will leave for other league for money, playing time, etc.

The term “Men vs Boys” come to mind. Most successful teams have men with a sprinkling of boys and we would be sending out boys onto the field if we did that today.
 

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The United Way is to have a basically young team, who first and foremost have to entertain the fans with their football, then the trophies follow.
 

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Imagine someone saying there is no United way when United had one of the youngest amd most attack minded teams in Euopean football slain in an air crash and then for the manager to come back and rebuild the team and the club with the same philosophy and win the European cup with exciting attacking football based on a mix of youth and experience. Yea, clearly that club has no identity.

Honestly, this forum needs a system in place that you only create threads once youve reached some sort of milestone like stackoverflow does. Or the mods should have to approve new threads or somethig. Some of the threads on here are embarrassing.
 

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What he is saying there is only 8% of United fans who are 33 years old and over which is an obvious load of wank. Explain yourself @432JuanMata
Well, not quite: if you were born any time after 1980 you probably don't remember anything but Sir Alex (and what followed after him, of course). What would a five year old recall of Ron Atkinson?
 

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The thread post is inadequate especially regarding the accuracy of the club's ethics historically it does predate SAF. But one thing for certain is that Solskjaer should adapt his own philosophy around the ethos of the club. Not try to emulate what Sir Alex did, Sir Alex was a world class manager because he himself was his own person. This is why a long term manager needs a philosophical strategy, because it's the only element that provides measurable success.
 

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92% of United fans(it’s a fact) grew up as Ferguson being manager. There is no United way we where crap before Fergie and I hate people clinging to the United way but it doesn’t exist as we had a World class Manager for years who played a certain way which people think is the United way which is not through, its like Pep at City it’s not the city way it’s how city play under him so please stop thank you.

I’m not against/for ole I want what is best for Man Utd tonight wasn’t anything to complain about we got the job done with kids but the thread about Ole was all about United way it’s doesnt exist
So Busby's way never counted for anything then. Did you ever see Best, Law, Charlton, Styles, Crerand. Play.
 

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I think OP has just run away from this one after (hopefully) realising how wrong they were.
 

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Fergie’s way was to win. It’s that simple.

No other manager would have won the league in many of those seasons with those players but no other manager (at least amongst the big clubs) would have persevered with some of those players.

You could argue that this is to blame for some of our current issues. There was never a long term strategy after 2009 as he/we would make do with what he/we had.