Is Hazard playing? I have heard his name mentioned a few times but I have not seen him play.
De Gea Signs New Contract to 2023 (+1)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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So, at what point do we start calling him a Manchester United legend like with VDS and Peter ?
Very unfortunate that he didn't catch a team in their glory years like these two, but he is as good as them.
Very unfortunate that he didn't catch a team in their glory years like these two, but he is as good as them.
You've literally had it spoonfed to you, and you still don't get it? Are you on a WUM or something? Or do you just get off on being wrong? First of all, it wasn't five years, it was three years and two months. Secondly, we have our own version of Bayern/Juve: Rosenborg. Ole came back to a gutted Molde side in need of a rebuild (they were 7th in the league with three games to go when he came in.) Molde doesn't have anywhere near the resources of Rosenborg, so they've primarily focused on young, hungry players under Ole (unlike Rosenborg, who are generally able to buy ready-made.) The first season was spent bedding in a new side, while they finished the following two in 2nd behind Rosenborg. They were making clear progress under him, and were back to being contenders again.
Questioning whether Ole has the experience or the credentials to manage a club the size of United is one thing, but that's not what you're doing. You're taking away from his achievements in an effort to make him seem less experienced and less competent, questioning him based on shit you've clearly dreamt up in your own weird-ass head, which is a pretty fecking shitty thing to do when you're talking about a loyal servant and club legend.
Judge him on his potential shortcomings and actual failings, rather than a bunch of made-up shit.
So staying trophy less in a shit league with just 1 half decent team in it is a great achievement right? Especially since, this small team are now favourites of winning the league (coincidentally when Ole left)
May I remind you that Mclaren won the league with Twente, LVG with AZ and they were competing in a way tougher league.
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I think the best we can do is selling him on cheap in exchange of having a Manchester United only minimum fee clause + a generous Zaha like selling clause inserted in his contract
Did ole bite off more than can chew? He was offered to be manager of Man Utd, who wouldn't want that job? By your rationality no one should aim higher than what their potential level is?
Ole gave his instructions to the board to shift the deadwood, he spotted the rotten core ruining the squad and morale and had it dealt with. Shifting out Sanchez, who came in when Martial was in the form of his life, Lukaku consistently playing when not in form, Matic no longer a starter and making us watch pedestrian football. He's got Lindelof and DDG to sign contracts, leaving funds to help rebuild the modified and attack in January.
In the long run Ole may not be the man for the job, however he's trying to rebuild a team and get the hunger/desire back into them. Bringing through some of the youth players as well, they would never get a chance with Jose at the club.
Yes his record at previous clubs is not great but he's working with less talented players and made foolish purchases at Cardiff, trying to bring all the Molde players to them. I'm a fair believer he's learned from his mistakes and made him a better manager overall. As I say he might not be the man for the long term but whoever takes over after him will have a less problematic personnel.
Should have gotten rid, doesn't run around enough.
Let's start from the deadwood shall we? Lukaku was a top striker and he's gone. Herrera was our 2nd best midfielder and he's gone. Smalling was our 2nd/3rd best CB and he's gone. Fellaini was way better then Periera and Fred and he's gone. Sanchez would have been useful to have around in a team that is so light upfront and he's gone. The latter two on loan which means we only got rid of part of the salary bill. So one really wonder if that was a football decision or a financial decision especially since we had far worse players then them some of whom had just signed a new 5 year contract. Not to forget that no one actually bothered replacing most of them which lead to United starting the season with no midfield and forward line
Regarding game play I admit that we are watching a more attractive football. However that is not translating into results or goals. Thank god we were gifted with so many penalties. They are basically bailing us out
Finally he keeps on harping about kids. However unlike LVG who actually played them Ole seems frightened to give them a real chance.
I don't blame everything on ole. Our inability to find a decent DOF + our ridiculous summer transfer campaign is more at fault then what Ole did. However buying ridiculously expensive local talent, talking about kids without give them a chance while relying on divine providence (penalties) to win is certainly not good enough
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You are such a downbeat bore.
Sanchez, Fellaini and Lukuku - thank god they are gone. Add in Darmian, and the utter waste of a shirt Valencia. That’s 4 players we are not missing at all + Lukuku (whose departure does leave a gap up front, but the pro’s far outweigh the cons of him staying).
Herrera would be a useful player, but not at the contract he wanted, he was never consistent and OGS could do nothing about him leaving.
Smalling has gone on loan because he’s the only CB we had that would go. He’s far better than Bailly, Jones and the appalling Rojo - but hey presto, everyone else can see how shit they are as well, no-one wants them!
We have had a good clear out and bought in 3 good players, and giving younger players like Greenwood, Andreas and McT more time on the pitch.
It’s not going to be plain sailing, and it will take a few windows to get a couple more of the right types of players in.
The Money is there when we need it, but it’s better not to spend it than just buy anyone.
Lukaku is not the right type of player for united, his build up play is atrocious and his first touch is non-existent. Not the attributes of a top player.
Sanchez has shown nothing for united during his time here and I'm not convinced of he stayed anything would be any different. Yes it's left us light up front but we are a side in transition and Sanchez is a negative influence from what reports have said. Fellaini not a united type player, I did like him at united as a useful squad player but if we want to move away from long ball football then it was a necessary sacrifice. Fellaini went missing in quite a lot of the games he played, his main impact came from sub appearances and long balls.
Herrera didn't want to renew, not really Oles choice as I'm sure he would love to keep him at the club but Herreras demands to be a top earner didn't really inspire the club to make good on such an offer.
Smalling always new he was gonna be backup to Maguire and Lindelof and needed gametime at this stage of his career. Tbf I would have preferred he stayed and Jones and Rojo had departed instead.
Yes we may be getting a lot of penalties but doesn't that point to our attacking play improving and the opposition players taking drastic measures to stop our players? It's not a model to base everything on but with the play improving hopefully we can subsidise the penalties with outfield goals as well.
Yes the summer window was atrocious, to suggest Maguire is ridiculously expensive just isnt true. Its the going rate for defenders and one as highly rated as Maguire who has the desire and composure our defence has lacked for a few seasons. Case in point we have 2 clean sheets already which matches last season.
I do agree ole is reluctant to use the kids from the start, but he's put his trust in James to start the season and we have seen more of Greenwood in the squad. I hope he plays him from the start tonight along with Gomes and Chong. He did trust the same kids against PSG last season in such a high profile game and they delivered I just wish he had kept faith in them.
Lukaku, Fellaini, Herrera and Smalling were certainly as good if not better then 2/3 of the player's we've got. That include McT, Andreas, Lingard and probably all the kids Ole keeps mentioning without barely ever playing. Regarding Jones and Rojo, well, we certainly wanted them as we were the ones handling them long term contracts.
No one expects it to be plain sailing. However when one considers the idiotic board and a very inexperienced manager to match then its certainly going to be way tougher then it should be.
Would I have brought Lukaku, Fellaini, Herrera and Smalling to this team? The answer for most of them is no. However they were as good if not better then what we've got in the present squad. So lets stop calling them deadwood shall we?
Which makes me wonder. Why did we allow the likes of Lukaku, Herrera and Smalling to leave when there are far worse deadwood still lingering (some of whom were given long term contracts)? Why was Sanchez considered as stealing a living after just 18 months with us and yet Jones was handled a long term contract despite stealing a living for the past 8 years or so? In my opinion, this whole exercise was more about balancing the books and get rid of the high earners who aren't producing at the level expected rather then for football purposes. Which explains why we started the campaign with basically no midfield and forward line.
Regarding the PSG game, the French team were in control up until Buffon's failing reflexes cause that blunder which we capitalised. Lets face it mate, Ole has been shit ever since he was made a permanent manager.
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Rosenborg might be shite by international standards, but by Norwegian standards, they're a behemoth. And I'm sure the rebuild Ole saw them through has nothing to do with it, nor the fact that his former assistant is now head coach and has them playing the same way. Rosenborg shooting themselves in the foot and sacking the coach who won three on the trot because they didn't like him probably had nothing to do with it either.
And you're not acknowledging straight-up lying about the length of his second stay, inflating it by a relatively massive amount?
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You made some good points but to then insult someone on a forum is childish and rude. Absolutely no need for name calling, just make your point and move along.
I hope his focus is back and his performances will improve
I'm afraid he is too dependent on his reflexes and agility which will eventually fade the next few years. Worst case for us is that those attributes already have started to fade, which is why his performances have started to suffer.
Hopefully it's about being confidence and appreciated.
I'm afraid he is too dependent on his reflexes and agility which will eventually fade the next few years. Worst case for us is that those attributes already have started to fade, which is why his performances have started to suffer.
Hopefully it's about being confidence and appreciated.
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I felt that if he was going to act like a child, might as well join him. Clearly not the best response, but it felt appropriate at the time.
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I really hope we don’t regret that contract, but it’s been a while since he was convincing.
There wasn't really a mistake in him today although I understand fans are frustrated.
Whats he getting blamed for today? I missed it
No mistakes, but Cresswell’s freekick is saveable. I wouldn’t expect a keeper to save it every time, but it’s saveable. We’ve given De Gea a contract that values him as being the best GK in the world. If he’s not at that level, we should have let him go. I think it’s fair to hold him to that standard.
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We won't move forward as a club until we stop giving big contracts to players that have shown a clear decline, looking likely we may have to manage another Rooney situation for a couple of years...
Many of us had the foresight to see how this was going to turn out. We handsomely rewarded him for mediocrity.
4 years Player of the year.
They only listen to us when it goes tits up then act like it was impossible to see.
So? The contract wasn't going to run for the four years he was player of the year.
He hasnt been mediocre for us has he though? Only in the last season.
Another four years of lurpak gloves
He pretty much single handly cost us top 4 last season. No pun.
If he single handedly cost us top 4, he has also got us top 4 single handedly in the past.
No one could’ve seen such a drop in form coming. You can’t compare Smalling and Jones contracts with De Gea’s. Having said that, dropping him during the season after a couple errors might’ve been the best situation. Initially in his United career, we saw the best of him once he was dropped for a period of time for Lindegaard.
I’m still in the hopeful camp. His poor moments receive 100x footage, even from our own fans, as compared to his good ones. It is now becoming a make or break time for him. Very few players face such a reckoning at this stage of their careers. An outfielders rapid decline can be less notable. Rooney had his defenders for years. Whether he has the mental toughness to ride it out or fold will be seen in the remaining part of this year.
I’m still in the hopeful camp. His poor moments receive 100x footage, even from our own fans, as compared to his good ones. It is now becoming a make or break time for him. Very few players face such a reckoning at this stage of their careers. An outfielders rapid decline can be less notable. Rooney had his defenders for years. Whether he has the mental toughness to ride it out or fold will be seen in the remaining part of this year.
Lots of mistakes recently. Needs pressure, I think. I recall under SAF when he wasn't performing Lindegaard came in and that led to a great upturn in form.
At the moment DDG is the clear out and out 1st choice GK.
At the moment DDG is the clear out and out 1st choice GK.
How did he manage to get that sort of contract out of United? He was average for most of last season and absolutely shocking in the last couple of months so he gets rewarded by becoming the highest paid goalkeeper in the world?
The only way this would be true would be if every game we lost or dropped points was because of him and without those errors, the 3 points would be guaranteed. I don’t recall that being the case.
He needs to criticised. Every bit is earned. But there’s a difference between criticising and scapegoating. We were awful yesterday and looked like losing without the blunders as well. De Gea was our biggest culprit but he wasn’t the only one.
I just love how every De Gea thread is being bumped now, because ya know you can't vent in the one Player Performance thread?
This has aged well
