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Pique, Chiellini, Thiago Silva
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Chiellini and Silva have won feck all bar their league in an one horse league with their team being by far the best one in the competition.

It is between Ramos and Pique for the best CB of the last decade or so (and I think Ramos edges it). Maybe Godin too, but he also has a lack of trophies. Ramos trophy cabinet is insane (5 UCL, 1 WC, 2 Euros, 4 La Liga) and he was the best defender and the leader in defense (if not overall in the squad) in each of those titles.

He had a mistake on him, but his leadership is unmatched and saved Madrid's arse numerous times by scoring goals which won their titles. They would have won 1 or 2 less UCL without him.

He looks like a clown tonight though :lol: Take another yellow, Sergio.
 

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Revan said:
Chiellini and Silva have won feck all bar their league in an one horse league with their team being by far the best one in the competition.

It is between Ramos and Pique for the best CB of the last decade or so (and I think Ramos edges it). Maybe Godin too, but he also has a lack of trophies. Ramos trophy cabinet is insane (5 UCL, 1 WC, 2 Euros, 4 La Liga) and he was the best defender and the leader in defense (if not overall in the squad) in each of those titles.

He had a mistake on him, but his leadership is unmatched and saved Madrid's arse numerous times by scoring goals which won their titles. They would have won 1 or 2 less UCL without him.
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But their defence wasn't anything special during that time? Madrid seemed to concede in every game. If Ramos didn't score those goals then I don't think he would be remembered as highly.
So does goal scoring negate defensive fragility? It's not as clear cut as it's made out to be.
 

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Ronaldo, Ramos and Zidane gave character to that Madrid team. More than how good they were footballing wise, they gave everyone a sense of tranquility and inevitability about how things would go.

I know that a lot of fans view words as ‘mentality’ as a load of nonsense that’s impossible to grasp but I think more than footballing quality it was their mentality that separated Madrid from the rest in the past few years.

Some players just have ‘it’ and Ramos has it in abundance.
 

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But their defence wasn't anything special during that time? Madrid seemed to concede in every game. If Ramos didn't score those goals then I don't think he would be remembered as highly.
So does goal scoring negate defensive fragility? It's not as clear cut as it's made out to be.
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Goals scoring matters a lot. They could have had Baresi and Maldini in defense vs Atletico and they would have lost. Instead they had Ramos who scored in the last minute and they won. That goal alone is a much bigger contribution than a top CB does in most of their best games in their career.

On defensive skills he wasn't as good as lets say Rio or Vidic (let alone someone like Nesta or Baresi), but he scored so many important goals, could make long passes like Scholes, was so comfortable in the ball and allowed his teams to play great football. In addition to being a genuine leader (while being a cnut too).
 

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Revan said:
Chiellini and Silva have won feck all bar their league in an one horse league with their team being by far the best one in the competition.

It is between Ramos and Pique for the best CB of the last decade or so (and I think Ramos edges it). Maybe Godin too, but he also has a lack of trophies. Ramos trophy cabinet is insane (5 UCL, 1 WC, 2 Euros, 4 La Liga) and he was the best defender and the leader in defense (if not overall in the squad) in each of those titles.

He had a mistake on him, but his leadership is unmatched and saved Madrid's arse numerous times by scoring goals which won their titles. They would have won 1 or 2 less UCL without him.

He looks like a clown tonight though :lol: Take another yellow, Sergio.
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Godin is better than both. For perspective Pique had prime Xavi, Iniesta, Messi in front of him and had won multiple champions leagues and consecutive leagues before him. Ramos (4 UCL titles fyi) had Ronaldo, Modric, Kroos prime in front of him at a club that had the most trophies won domestically and on the continent.

Purely based on abilities as a defender Godin is better than both. Godin's always been class, hasn't had a poor season, in fact has barely had a bad month and his sides have generally had the strongest defense on the continent for about half a decade. He helped Miranda look world class, he makes Savic look good and he's really helped Giminez into one of the best defenders in the world. Also Uruguay are nowhere near Spain level so the international accolades isn't worth bringing up either IMO.
 

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Ramos is good in the big matches, but not day-after-day. Pique is good in both ways.
 

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Revan said:
Chiellini and Silva have won feck all bar their league in an one horse league with their team being by far the best one in the competition.

It is between Ramos and Pique for the best CB of the last decade or so (and I think Ramos edges it). Maybe Godin too, but he also has a lack of trophies. Ramos trophy cabinet is insane (5 UCL, 1 WC, 2 Euros, 4 La Liga) and he was the best defender and the leader in defense (if not overall in the squad) in each of those titles.

He had a mistake on him, but his leadership is unmatched and saved Madrid's arse numerous times by scoring goals which won their titles. They would have won 1 or 2 less UCL without him.

He looks like a clown tonight though :lol: Take another yellow, Sergio.
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It's 4 CLs not 5 and he's only actually won the league twice as a centre back. For his first two la liga titles he was a utility player mainly being used as a right back.

In fact I don't even think he played at centre back for much of Spain's dominant period either did he? It was Puyol who was the leading CB in 2008 and 2010 alongside Marchena and Pique with Ramos still at right back.

He's clearly been a great player but you seem to be massively overstating his accomplishments as a centre back.
 
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Revan said:
Goals scoring matters a lot. They could have had Baresi and Maldini in defense vs Atletico and they would have lost. Instead they had Ramos who scored in the last minute and they won. That goal alone is a much bigger contribution than a top CB does in most of their best games in their career.

On defensive skills he wasn't as good as lets say Rio or Vidic (let alone someone like Nesta or Baresi), but he scored so many important goals, could make long passes like Scholes, was so comfortable in the ball and allowed his teams to play great football. In addition to being a genuine leader (while being a cnut too).
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I am not even sure about that and Rio is my favorite defender ever. The high line high risk teams that always played out the back Ramos played at was something none of the above had to deal with as consistently as he did. We have no idea how the likes of Vidic would have looked defensively playing that type of football. On top of that, every time I saw Real pinned back in a big CL game like against Bayern where they actually were forced to defend, Ramos looked every bit as good as the likes of Chiellini or Gódin having the support those two usually enjoy.
 

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Revan said:
Goals scoring matters a lot. They could have had Baresi and Maldini in defense vs Atletico and they would have lost. Instead they had Ramos who scored in the last minute and they won. That goal alone is a much bigger contribution than a top CB does in most of their best games in their career.

On defensive skills he wasn't as good as lets say Rio or Vidic (let alone someone like Nesta or Baresi), but he scored so many important goals, could make long passes like Scholes, was so comfortable in the ball and allowed his teams to play great football. In addition to being a genuine leader (while being a cnut too).
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But Madrid wouldn't need the miracle goals if they were better defensively? It's a strange one to analyse in my opinion.
 

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cyberman said:
But Madrid wouldn't need the miracle goals if they were better defensively? It's a strange one to analyse in my opinion.
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Of course they need. No team is perfect. For example their first UCL, it was a Casillas mistake that sent Atletico ahead. Nothing to do with them having better defenders.
 

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It's 4 CLs not 5 and he's only actually won the league twice as a centre back. For his first two la liga titles he was a utility player mainly being used as a right back.

In fact I don't even think he played at centre back for much of Spain's dominant period either did he? It was Puyol who was the leading CB in 2008 and 2010 alongside Marchena and Pique with Ramos still at right back.

He's clearly been a great player but you seem to be massively overstating his accomplishments as a centre back.
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I said beat defender and leader in defense. You are right, he played as RB in their first two competitions they won, but he was still their best defender. Ramos is like Maldini in that aspect that was equally good as CB and right/left defender.
 

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Apparently he was being filmed for his documentary as well while in the private box.
Gets better and better for him
 

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Their best defender chose to miss this game and their defence is now all at sea? Ajax should have scored 3/4 themselves in the first leg so God knows why he thought they would be secure enough to step away from the second leg.
All Ajax had to do was score first and the pressure would be on. It was a 1 goal lead after all.
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You don't think there's a mental aspect to this? Getting yourself purposely sent off because you think it's job done. You're supposed to be leading the team ffs but you're up in the cigar boxes watching instead of playing because you chose to do that. What do the team mates think of their captain who does that?

Proper arrogance and unprofessionalism and I say that as someone who rates Ramos and is not prone to bashing him despite him giving people ammunition to do so.
 

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Too funny. He thought the tie was done, got himself suspended in purpose and then his team got blown away, all while he's sitting in the stands being filmed for a documentary.

:lol:
 

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Cannot stand the fella but anyone who denies Ramos isn't world class obviously hasn't watched him play on a regular basis.

He's the type of player everyone loves to hate unless you have him in your team then he becomes a legend. Never seen anyone show so much commitment year in year out. I watched a documentary about him on amazon prime and his dedication goes beyond even what I thought about him. Best center back by a mile the last 10 years.

If Rio and Vidic had a son out would pop Sergio Ramos.
 

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Forevergiggs1 said:
Cannot stand the fella but anyone who denies Ramos isn't world class obviously hasn't watched him play on a regular basis.

He's the type of player everyone loves to hate unless you have him in your team then he becomes a legend. Never seen anyone show so much commitment year in year out. I watched a documentary about him on amazon prime and his dedication goes beyond even what I thought about him. Best center back by a mile the last 10 years.

If Rio and Vidic had a son out would pop Sergio Ramos.
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:lol:

If I didn't laugh I would be wailing hysterically
 

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I love the guy, he’s a feckin warrior and leader on the pitch, was absolutely gutted when we didn’t sign him when all that rubbish was in the press and he was linked with us (only for a new contract at Madrid)

Wish some of our players had some of his balls and character on the pitch.
 

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:lol: Trying to make out someone earning that net amount who just left a Qatar owned club is in any way better than people chasing money in Saudi.
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Ramos went to PSG in the first place because he could not agree terms with RM. It was about money and contract length.
So weird he chose Sevilla over money. Must be some family factor involved here.
 

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Ramos went to PSG in the first place because he could not agree terms with RM. It was about money and contract length.
So weird he chose Sevilla over money. Must be some family factor involved here.
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Isn't that where he was born, grew up and broke through as a player?
 
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