Are a lot of people missing the point of a Director of Football?

red thru&thru said:

Exactly. Any successful enterprise will have process that is in line with their vision/values. Components may and will need to be changed time to time to reach the goal, however, the values remain the same.

Can the same be said about our football? It seems to change on the mood of Ed and the board.

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Yes.
I would be amazed if United did not have all of the required processes in place.
However, as I am sure you are aware, processes require the right level of people to deliver the best products.
And it is blindingly obvious that we do not have good enough people and therefore do not deliver high quality products.
That of course does not mean that with improvements in training and coaching the players performance cannot be improved. But the standard of coaching is not good enough.
And that is where we are.

Buster15 said:

Yes.
I would be amazed if United did not have all of the required processes in place.
However, as I am sure you are aware, processes require the right level of people to deliver the best products.
And it is blindingly obvious that we do not have good enough people and therefore do not deliver high quality products.
That of course does not mean that with improvements in training and coaching the players performance cannot be improved. But the standard of coaching is not good enough.
And that is where we are.

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I agree with all the above. It's just the bold bit I'm not sure about. Yes there has to be something but what is that something? Our values/vision seems to change with every different manager that comes and goes.

We need to bring in the best manager that aligns into our core values as a club and everything else around it.

Buster15 said:

In my view it would be some experience of working as a DOF with a major European football club. There is obviously a model which works with those clubs that employ that role.

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I think we would be restricting ourselves if we only looked in that category. The DOF has to be a jack of all trades sort, so I think it's easier to fill this than a head coach position, a position that requires specialized knowledge about training and tactics and game management. Bit garbled but you get my drift...

red thru&thru said:

I agree with all the above. It's just the bold bit I'm not sure about. Yes there has to be something but what is that something? Our values/vision seems to change with every different manager that comes and goes.

We need to bring in the best manager that aligns into our core values as a club and everything else around it.

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Agreed. It is one thing to have processes in place. But as you said previously that means nothing if you don't relentlessly strive to improve those processes.
To be able to deliver world class performance you have to have world class people and sadly those we do not have at any level.

adexkola said:

I think we would be restricting ourselves if we only looked in that category. The DOF has to be a jack of all trades sort, so I think it's easier to fill this than a head coach position, a position that requires specialized knowledge about training and tactics and game management. Bit garbled but you get my drift...

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Yes I understand.
I really don't think that Ed Woodward would be prepared to devolve some of his accountability to a DOF meaning that it would not work.
I get the impression that he desperately wants to keep hold of as much as possible in the same way as a control freak just has to be in charge of everything even if they are terrible at it.

TRUERED89 said:

Do you remember the poll on here at the time? Overwhelmingly in favour of Ole, I'd like to see it again..

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Knee-jerk reaction. The worst part was Woodward was on it too.
As a CEO of big corp, you'd expect him to have higher IQ than average CAF poster.

Buster15 said:

Agreed. It is one thing to have processes in place. But as you said previously that means nothing if you don't relentlessly strive to improve those processes.
To be able to deliver world class performance you have to have world class people and sadly those we do not have at any level.

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Agreed.

Sky1981 said:

We have the man in charge for that. It's the manager.

I seriously dont think Woodward sits in his room and picks which players we should buy. It's not his job.

If it's bad it's Ed's purchase, if it's good it's ole purchase.

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I agree with that. There is a tendency to blame anything negative at United on Woodward just because he's a familiar name. But if the manager has sole responsibility on transfers, then things get thrown into chaos every time a manager fails. We need someone to provide a level of consistency from one manager to the next. Woodward isn't capable of that but a DoF might be.

Call me Sceptical or pessimistic but I do not think to board or Ed really wants a DOF at Utd because as was said earlier that would require a change of the infrastructure at Utd. The board wants Ed to keep things neat and tidy financially wise to keep the profits rolling in. A half decent DOF would see that major work is required at Utd especially in the playing staff and also possibly in the managerial staff. The upheaval would be so costly and will go beyond the amount they are willing to give the manager. It may take a disastrous showing in the league and Europe to change their mode of thinking.

All the noise saying that they are looking for appoint a DOF is only to appease the fans, just like the first season post Fergie when we were linked with every world class player on the planet but didn’t get even one (unless you class Fellaini in that bracket )