The problem is nobody off this forum ever thought he was going to be a world beater. The media hyped him because of he’s English and plays for United. I’ve always maintained he should be a super sub or squad rotation.
Anyone else starting to think the media (and our fans) got a little bit carried away about Rashford? Personally, I don't think he's come close to living up to the hype after that great first 6 months. Maybe he's just going to be a pretty good squad player, and not the world beater we all thought?
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People were still raving about him not that long ago. I saw comparisons to Sterling as recently as last month.
Personally, I think he'll end up more Walcott than Sterling. Not a bad player, but not a great one either.
So, Here's a question:
A mere 5 months ago, Lampard was manager of Derby County. Derby County, a very well-run club, are always in or around the promotion picture.
Lampard fails to get them promoted and was nowhere near automatic promotion. His team's football was not dire but also not spectacular by any means.
Yet, 5 months later, and Lampard's new team are looking great, and will probably make the top four, which means he will have been more successful in a tougher league in tougher circumstances amongst supposedly better managers than he was the year before.
So the question is this: Do you think that Lampard became this talented manager that learned about tactics and training from the ground up in the 5 months since he left Derby?
Or do you think that managers do most of their learning about coaching, tactics, human nutrition & physiology et al in the years doing their coaching badges, but sometimes regardless of what you know, circumstances dictate it is harder to put what you know into practice at a club? (the club in this case being Derby)
The above applies for players to (sans the coaching etc...). Mason Mount being said player, looking even better in the Premiership than the Championship. Why is that?
Mount and Abraham or Lingard and Rashford, which duo would you rather have?
But but but Rashy has never been played in the 9 position!!
Oh god there were and still are more than enough.
This will go over a lot of heads. Because by their standards, Lampard was never qualified for the Chelsea job in the first place.
How much did Derby spend under Lampard compared to the other clubs vieingfor promotion?
C'mon biurnemouth and wolves, i wanna go to new orleans! 
Derby are thirteenth and have been a bit disappointing haven't they?
Something I've said loads of time. A lot of managers and their performance is much more situational based success rather then their own abilities. So many have success at clubs that suit them but fail at lower clubs (because they aren't suited to it). Same with players. You buy the player that suits your club, your tactics, your other players and the league you're in. A flop in one place can be world class elsewhere.
City look like they're going to drop points today.
You need to factor in a few things, Lampard is hugely experienced as a player and will defintely have formulated an idea of his managerial ideas - particulalry because he played under an abnormal amount of managers given the revolving door at Chelsea. Even with the chop and change they won more than anyone.
Then you have the Derby experience, I didn't watch them regulalry so can't comment with certainty but they seemed a decent team, a bit more direct than this Chelsea team and obviously with less quality. No doubt it is impossibel that he would suddenly have learned everything tactically but more so learned about man management and developed some coaching ideas. Nothing groundbreaking but he'd have an idea of how he could start implementing his ideas a bit.
The third factor, which is probably the most important, is he took over a very strong Chelsea team who had been with a highly tactical manager & another highly tactical manager before that. They are a very adaptable group and have some really strong individua players. Lampard hasn't come in and changed everything, he's kept a lot of Sarri's strucutre but in my mind made them a bit less possession obsessed when they get in the final third. PLus he's got good young players to work with.
He'll get stronger and stronger on the tactical front as he gets more experience but its a great platform to build from.
Liverpool on +7.
Chelsea were pretty good last year, 3rd and Europa league. The transfer ban was overblown considering the players they could still bring in from loan. He's even playing Jorginho and Kante in the same roles Sarri was criticised for.
Talent. Managers are the same as players. Some are more talented than others and they are also learning during their careers
Yeah Ole would be top of the league with this Chelsea team.
Fernandinho gets away with murder on a weekly basis. Pretty easy to be a defensive midfielder when you can foul with impunity.
what a shi*ty free kick from Prowse, I reckon if that was against us, He would had put it in the 90 angel with a worldie.
Games got 0-0 written all over it, maybe even a late Wolves winner.
I think it is finally their year tbh. They getting all the luck and breaks. City missing Laporte till January will cost them the title.
Imagine if they had lost VVD for that long. There would be public mourning announced.
What?
Should have been sold for that travesty alone.
Lampard is doing a good job. I must say I am impressed. BUT look at the squad of players he has got to work with compared to what united
has. Chelsea have very good midfielders. They had a good core of players when Lampard took over so its really unfair to compare with Ole's
situation. Yes ole can improve but I also believe if we had similar quality players that Chelsea has, Ole definitely would be doing better.
has. Chelsea have very good midfielders. They had a good core of players when Lampard took over so its really unfair to compare with Ole's
situation. Yes ole can improve but I also believe if we had similar quality players that Chelsea has, Ole definitely would be doing better.
From what I have seen of Lampard it basically seems his tactics are more suitable for a top level team. For example if Pep tries his tactics with the Newcastle team he would get smashed most games but with a team of City talents he gets 100 points.
He is also under no pressure which helps. His team lost its best player. They had a transfer ban. Their squad is full of youngsters with little premier League experience. There are no expectations from him due to above reasons.
The Chelsea friends I have are more excited by him than they were by Conte, Jose or Sarri football.
How the hell was that a foul?
Craig Pawson going to hand Liverpool the title today.
Annoying commentators!
They just imagined the Southampton manager must have said something like be aggressive to his players at half time. The players, they carried on, took this remark "too literally". What remark, remember you imagined this you bellends, ffs!
They just imagined the Southampton manager must have said something like be aggressive to his players at half time. The players, they carried on, took this remark "too literally". What remark, remember you imagined this you bellends, ffs!
Which therefore shows that Chelsea is a lot better run club than us. They don't think twice about sacking manager, we are obsessed with keeping them no matter what.
I know he's scored today but David Luiz is just a walking defensive liability.
There's is no "this is their year", maybe Liverpool are a pretty good side and they're going have a quite a few years of this under Klopp.
Win it this year, break Guardiola, and Liverpool will DESPERATE to catch us as quick as they can while Klopp is there, so I would say he'd hang around to get #20/#21 and overtake us. This sadly isn't a one off.
That would be true if we didn't sack 3 managers already.
I noticed your posts are most often about Liverpool.
I meant us, not the club. The desperation amongst fans and ex-players for managers not to go, because SAF was there that long.
Chelsea doing so much better with no transfer window, selling their best player and a newbie manager, yet Ole needs more time. 
why would the Etihad be almost full against Wolves or they have started dressing the seats?
David Silva hits the bar, not our day...
Jeez. Score you cnuts, score.
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