Hero-worship of managers

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White handkerchiefs of course adexkola!
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For people who point at Real Madrid as some model of how fans change fortunes, I remember when they went years without passing the last 16 stage, including one year after they got Ronaldo. And those handkerchiefs were out the whole time.
 

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For people who point at Real Madrid as some model of how fans change fortunes, I remember when they went years without passing the last 16 stage, including one year after they got Ronaldo. And those handkerchiefs were out the whole time.
If that's about as low as Madrid let their bar for failure fall, I think they're doing something right.
 

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We all revere SAF and I think because of this people conflate supporting the manager with supporting the club.
 

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“Your job now is to stand behind the next manager”.
People still haven’t gotten over this sentence and the Fergie era, it’s like they want to prove a point to other club supporters about how much class we have.

I would personally rather win football matches, class or not.
I’m not even sure what’s so classy about supporting shite managers, but Ole is really next level incompetence, he makes Moyes look like a top tier manager.
Moyes would get this current side relegated. He took the champions out of the champions league.
Ole is struggling with keeping players fit and filling gaps with at best squad players and teenagers. Swapping managers after 1 active transfer window would be insane.
 

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He’s been here since December, we’re in a relegation form, what are you talking about?
We’re at the lowest point since 2013 and Ole is by far the worst manager out of those 4.
He’s not good enough, he’s not a PL level manager.
Before that we were in heroes of the universe form. There is a quality manager in there. It would be SUPER if we could start scoring on chances generated, like every other PL team.
 

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Do we? We're 6 games into the season with this manager and already the caf loyals are out for blood and want a lamppost for a manager instead.

All while conveniently ignoring the fact that the very king of managers himself had a similar rocky start to the MUFC career.
This is the weakest argument that can be made for Ole and that’s an achievement. You do realise that 99.999% of the managers would have a rocky start, do you believe all would come good? Also, you could compare Saf’s resume with Ole’s, both before managing United, you might be a little surprised.
 

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Before that we were in heroes of the universe form. There is a quality manager in there. It would be SUPER if we could start scoring on chances generated, like every other PL team.
It may as well could’ve been Paul Ince with Phelan in that post-Jose run, all he had to do was be positive and praise the players in his post match interviews.
Ole is in a rut since March and he can’t get out of it, that was his test, and he failed to get us out of it, he’s a poor manager, he’s arguably not even a championship level manager.
 

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It may as well could’ve been Paul Ince with Phelan in that post-Jose run, all he had to do was be positive and praise the players in his post match interviews.
Ole is in a rut since March and he can’t get out of it, that was his test, and he failed to get us out of it, he’s a poor manager, he’s arguably not even a championship level manager.
We'll just agree to disagree. I see marcus rashford missing chance after chance and I blame the players, not the manager.
 

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It's particularly weird because the man best qualified to replace him, Poch, is having a awful run at Spurs
No signings for how many windows until the summer just past. He’s squad has come to the end of its cycle. Will he want two seasons to rebuild another squad that finishes 3rd, and can compete against City and Pool in 90 mins, but fall short over course of the season?
 

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“Your job now is to stand behind the next manager”.
People still haven’t gotten over this sentence and the Fergie era, it’s like they want to prove a point to other club supporters about how much class we have.

I would personally rather win football matches, class or not.
I’m not even sure what’s so classy about supporting shite managers, but Ole is really next level incompetence, he makes Moyes look like a top tier manager.
Agreed
 

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Pretty sure i read that the club were behind that banner, they asked Stretford End Flags to come up with a Moyes banner to show support for him.

It was cringeworthy as feck though, it was even more cringeworthy when the clown was failing badly and blaming everyone else. Fans wanted to take it down but the club hired security to protect it.
Funny according to one posted on here, who says it so much I doubt he’s ever actually been to OT, match going fans would never do that. It’s only online fans that dare realise the manager is crap
 

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RedCafe posters turning on matchgoing fans is absurd. If you go to games, you should support the players and the manager before and during the game. This is done with songs and banners. If you feel the performance has been disrespectful or whatever, feel free to boo. Don't turn Old Trafford into a place of negativity.
pretty certain some people who go to OT and cheer, also have realise Ole is crap and say it to friends and online.

You know your son will never be President of the USA because he’s dumb as one of Phil Jones facial expressions and isn’t even American, but when he asks you’ll still say “sure why not”... if at the age of 30 he’s still asking you the same question you’ll smile and still say “sure why not” but if you care for him you’ll also get him the help he needs.
 

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God forbid the supporters at the games support the manager. I suppose we should just stand in silence in banners saying "Ole Out" because Tom, Dick and Harry on RedCafe and social media say that's when needs to happen?
THat's a good point.
 

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People keep bringing up Ferguson having a bad start to his management time at United and the fact that the club stood by him as if Ferguson isn’t a once in a lifetime generational manager, and as if “giving time” to any random scrub will suddenly turn them into “Fergie 2.0”

Nothing about Ole even hints at that. Guy has presided over our worst run of form since 1962, and even when he had a great start, which lead to the dickhead decision of giving him the job full time (seriously, what other institution the size of United appoints a manager on the back of 3 months form?) plenty of people in the xG thread pointed out how many of our results were flattering and our performances were not convincing and that it would eventually catch up. People “Ole’s at the wheel’d” those supposed detractors to death, and look where we are now.

Guy signed 19 players for Cardiff still got relegated, and you’d be hard pressed to name any of the 19 signings as decent/good players, but somehow Ole is the one to lead the rebuilding at United, all because he name drops Fergie and says stuff like “knows what this clob is all about”. Ffs.

The football is awful, his revolutionary idea to sort us out was “running”. His supposed double sessions preseason has led to a bunch of early season injuries and the intensity on the pitch is the same as it always was. No discernible play style and regularly losing/being outplayed by teams that end up getting trashed the weekend after or before playing us.

The guy was a manager at Molde, in a league that’s arguably of a lower standard than league 1 in England.

But somehow people keep thinking that taking the squad to go offer prayer circles at the Cliff will eventually pan out.

Ok maybe Ole is not a proven manager and is out of his depth here, but we had proven managers in Van Gaal and Mourinho and it didn't work.
Both were washed up. LvG had not been in club management for years. Mourinho has been sacked from his previous two jobs, including having a title winning team sitting at 17th in the league.
 

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pretty certain some people who go to OT and cheer, also have realise Ole is crap and say it to friends and online.

You know your son will never be President of the USA because he’s dumb as one of Phil Jones facial expressions and isn’t even American, but when he asks you’ll still say “sure why not”... if at the age of 30 he’s still asking you the same question you’ll smile and still say “sure why not” but if you care for him you’ll also get him the help he needs.
:lol:
 

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pretty certain some people who go to OT and cheer, also have realise Ole is crap and say it to friends and online.

You know your son will never be President of the USA because he’s dumb as one of Phil Jones facial expressions and isn’t even American, but when he asks you’ll still say “sure why not”... if at the age of 30 he’s still asking you the same question you’ll smile and still say “sure why not” but if you care for him you’ll also get him the help he needs.
:lol: ffs
 

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Funny according to one posted on here, who says it so much I doubt he’s ever actually been to OT, match going fans would never do that. It’s only online fans that dare realise the manager is crap
Who?

Mate you can't speak for 75,000 people back then i seen fans shouting abuse at Ferguson during the 0-3 derby defeat back in 2014. Alex Ferguson!

If it got that bad then of course one or more people would have tried to take that banner down if it had not been protected by security during games.
 

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Of all the big clubs, our fanbase seems to give the most leeway to the managers.

The only explanation I have is because of Sir Matt Busby and SAF, we seem to think we'll get another manager who'll be here for 10+ years, so we try to attach ourselves to that manager.
Think there's another reason actually.

A lot of fans were called gloryhunters during the golden years and are now desperate to prove how loyal they are during a fallow period. It's like our fans are putting themselves through some kind of loyalty test.

It's weird: no other club's supporters do this.
 

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God forbid the supporters at the games support the manager. I suppose we should just stand in silence in banners saying "Ole Out" because Tom, Dick and Harry on RedCafe and social media say that's when needs to happen?
??
 

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Did I miss some love-fest threads? Seems to me the blame is dished out equally to the players, the manager, the coaches, the CEO, the board, and the owners. No one is getting a pass on here.
 

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Firstly, it's fun.

Secondly, it sends positive energy to the team throughout the stadium.

Thirdly, supporting in the stadium doesn't mean supporting the manager's every decision. It simply means supporting the team on the day.
 
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Hmmm....Professional football is all about hero worship. It's entertainment. It makes more sense than movie stars or pop stars.
 

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I think in general, United fans generally treat their own better than most clubs. Especially when we compare with other big teams. Maybe it's to be encouraging? Whatever it is, there's nothing wrong with it. It means the individuals have a friendlier atmosphere to do their job and that is beneficial.
 

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I think in general, United fans generally treat their own better than most clubs. Especially when we compare with other big teams. Maybe it's to be encouraging? Whatever it is, there's nothing wrong with it. It means the individuals have a friendlier atmosphere to do their job and that is beneficial.
The players have a torrid time. That's on the terraces as well from my experience, not just the idiots on social media.
 

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This is a load of nonsense.

Supporting your manager and players should always be the default starting point.
There are some who are genuine followers /fans of managers which is rather odd.

Supporting your manager is good but our club is a bit daft for the sake of principals.
 

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People keep bringing up Ferguson having a bad start to his management time at United and the fact that the club stood by him as if Ferguson isn’t a once in a lifetime generational manager, and as if “giving time” to any random scrub will suddenly turn them into “Fergie 2.0”

Nothing about Ole even hints at that. Guy has presided over our worst run of form since 1962, and even when he had a great start, which lead to the dickhead decision of giving him the job full time (seriously, what other institution the size of United appoints a manager on the back of 3 months form?) plenty of people in the xG thread pointed out how many of our results were flattering and our performances were not convincing and that it would eventually catch up. People “Ole’s at the wheel’d” those supposed detractors to death, and look where we are now.

Guy signed 19 players for Cardiff still got relegated, and you’d be hard pressed to name any of the 19 signings as decent/good players, but somehow Ole is the one to lead the rebuilding at United, all because he name drops Fergie and says stuff like “knows what this clob is all about”. Ffs.

The football is awful, his revolutionary idea to sort us out was “running”. His supposed double sessions preseason has led to a bunch of early season injuries and the intensity on the pitch is the same as it always was. No discernible play style and regularly losing/being outplayed by teams that end up getting trashed the weekend after or before playing us.

The guy was a manager at Molde, in a league that’s arguably of a lower standard than league 1 in England.

But somehow people keep thinking that taking the squad to go offer prayer circles at the Cliff will eventually pan out.



Both were washed up. LvG had not been in club management for years. Mourinho has been sacked from his previous two jobs, including having a title winning team sitting at 17th in the league.
People conflate necessary with sufficient, and those aren't the same. Being patient with SAF was necessary because the guy was a winner with every fiber of his DNA so you'd have to give him time to express his ideas.

Alex Ferguson also won a European trophy with Aberdeen knocking out Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the process, broke the Celtic-Rangers hegemony by winning the title 3x, won the Cup 4x, the League Cup once, and the European SuperCup. His Aberdeen achievements are arguably as impressive as what he achieved later on with United.

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Doesn't mean being patient with Moyes for example will be sufficient to elevate him into a winner, because he never was one to begin with.
 

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Managers arent hero worshipped full stop. OK the Moyes banner was cringy and the match going support is generally supportive of managers and players, but thats a good thing during a match!
Moyes was heavily criticised from early on.

LVG was increasingly slagged off in his 2nd year and as for Mourinho, half the fan base was hating on him even while doing decently, let alone when it went to pieces in year 3.

If we are just talking match going fans then thats wrong too. They would be just as critical before and after the game, but supportive during it to help the team.
 
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It may have been Klopp that said he spoke to someone very intelligent in a medical field and he was shocked and dissapointed that this intelligent man was struggling to string a sentence together because he was in awe to be in Klopp's presence due to his exploits as a football manager. As far as Klopp is concerned, people with far more important jobs exist and whilst this is acknolewdged as something which is obvious by the masses, this doesn't translate to how people behave as there's a clear reverence fans of the game have towards football managers. The ones that are successful essentially have those that worship the ground that they walk on.
 

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Solskjaer would be sacked now at any other club. But the cult of the manager will keep him in the job for longer than necessary.

The board are in an impossible position.