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SER19

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We're in big trouble. Even the most pessimistic wouldnt have predicted such a low points haul from our opening fixtures
 

Schmeichel's Cartwheel

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This is infinitely worse than Liverpool in the 90s, this is Hodgson’s Liverpool.
Liverpool were fecking bad in the 90s dude. They came 7th the year we won the treble, 2 points ahead of the mighty Derby County.

Moot point anyway. We're shit, they were shit. I guess at least they had Fowler and Owen.
 

JK-27

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Getting rid of Jose was a mistake. This season, this manager, this team, shows it. The stats show it.
 

WR10

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Our players are actually consistent and putting in a lot of effort. They're just so average as footballers that it's all they can muster to be honest. From a pure skill level they're just poor. They more often than not fail at the things they attempt and consistently put in poor quality attempts. It's what is to be expected.
 

bond19821982

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Getting rid of Jose was a mistake. This season, this manager, this team, shows it. The stats show it.
Starting to agree to this . With Jose, LVG was better. With Ole, Jose was better. Its criminal we cant get a decision correct in fecking 6 years.
 

passing-wind

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The form won't improve from just new players we need a new manager / coaching team. If fans arguement is that Ole needs a completely new squad than why did we lose to West Ham and against Palace who both have inferior starring 11s ? The relevancy of who is in a team is void when the cohesion of a team is low. Ole struggles with cohesion, so what use is it giving him time. Half of these players aren't as bad as they seem, it's just our perspectives are different given the current time period. There is however some deadwood that still needs clearing. Unfortunately I'd throw Solskjaer into the conversation. If we aren't looking to challenge for the league in half a decade why are we bothering.
 

charlenefan

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Your suggestion calling Newcastle is winnable is simply show that football does not work like that.

I said Arsenal game is more winnable than Newcastle. Pretty obvious why because we have better chance scoring goal in counter attack against attacking team like Chelsea or Arsenal than against team who park the bus like Palace & Newcastle.

Chelsea is an offensive team with poor defense, and I don't need to repeat myself why we beat Chelsea but why we couldn't beat team like Palace or Southampton.
I didn't give an opinion as to why I feel Newcastle is winnable though so you're using your argument and assumptions
 

romufc

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We are not losing because of the squad lets be honest.

We have one of the best back 5's in the league. Perhaps even better than City's on paper but the fact that our coaching staff / manager cannot get the players infront of the back 4 to play is costing us.

Another manager who can get players playing would thrive in this team. I am not saying win the league or anything but definitely top 4.
 

UNITED ACADEMY

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I didn't give an opinion as to why I feel Newcastle is winnable though so you're using your argument and assumptions
Oh sorry but my post was replying to your statement about Newcastle looks like the winnable game. If you don't want bother with talking about it then I guess no need to continue the conversation.
 

LoneStar

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Our players are actually consistent and putting in a lot of effort. They're just so average as footballers that it's all they can muster to be honest. From a pure skill level they're just poor. They more often than not fail at the things they attempt and consistently put in poor quality attempts. It's what is to be expected.
Are they not better than the likes of Rochdale and Astana though? This excuse can be used for the top 6, but not for bottom half teams, let alone league one and below teams.
 

Raw

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Are they not better than the likes of Rochdale and Astana though? This excuse can be used for the top 6, but not for bottom half teams, let alone league one and below teams.
Exactly! The answer isn't to keep on buying players when the system the players are playing in is fundamentally flawed. I reckon we'd still struggle (relatively speaking) if we played our first team. We'd win by maybe 2 or 3 goals but we won't look good doing it.
 

LoneStar

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The form won't improve from just new players we need a new manager / coaching team. If fans arguement is that Ole needs a completely new squad than why did we lose to West Ham and against Palace who both have inferior starring 11s ? The relevancy of who is in a team is void when the cohesion of a team is low. Ole struggles with cohesion, so what use is it giving him time. Half of these players aren't as bad as they seem, it's just our perspectives are different given the current time period. There is however some deadwood that still needs clearing. Unfortunately I'd throw Solskjaer into the conversation. If we aren't looking to challenge for the league in half a decade why are we bothering.
We have no style of play, some players seem to press while others are static. The football and the results have been steadily regressing instead of going the other way round.

Like you said, we don't need a galactico team to beat the likes of Crystal Palace or Rochdale ffs.
 

Nr.7

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We’ll take 2 points of of our next 5 league games.
 

bond19821982

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OP is updated with EPL form.

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
49 points from 28 games.
1.75 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-
15 games 17 points
1.13 points per game.

2019-2020 season
7 games 9 points
1.28 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 48 points
Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season.
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points
 

RedDevilRoshi

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OP is updated with EPL form.

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
49 points from 28 games.
1.75 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-
15 games 17 points
1.13 points per game.

2019-2020 season
7 games 9 points
1.28 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 48 points
Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season.
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points
Scary stuff.
 

Enigma_87

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OP is updated with EPL form.

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
49 points from 28 games.
1.75 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-
15 games 17 points
1.13 points per game.

2019-2020 season
7 games 9 points
1.28 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 48 points
Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season.
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points
That means we will avoid relegation so he's doing good and better than when he was at Cardiff. Progress.
 

Sylar

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4 of our games this season, weve taken the lead and then let an equaliser happen, and ended up drawing 1-1.
2 games weve won 1-0.
And 2 games we lost, and only scored 1 goal in those two.
The other is a win which was vs Chelsea, the only game weve scored more than once.
 

Wheato

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There are really fine margins in football. We have been unlucky this season. Missing penalties in games we should have won. 4 points dropped right there, which would have us in 4th. We could have won tonight, but again we seem to be toothless in front of goal. We have multiple injuries, and miss Martial, Shaw, AWB. RVP or RVN could have bagged a few tonight, but unfortunately we don't have that clinical killer instinct. I can't even smell a goal at the moment. I'm really hoping that we will score a brace and suddenly the floodgates open, but I think we will probably need to sign a top striker in Jan. The Rashford playing with Sterling and Kane for England, is nothing like the chap playing for us up on his tod.
 

El Zoido

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I don’t feel that we’ve been that bad in any of our games. Only poor one really was West Ham, we’ve played we good attacking intent and created a lot of chances, but then also missed loads too. Margins are so fine in football, if we had that one clinical striker everything would look SO different. But we don’t, and it’s a results game and we’re just not getting them. Can’t win games if you can’t score goals and we struggle to score. Said it in another post, but if we had Jamie Vardy up top instead of Rashford I reckon we’d be near the top.
 

JMack1234

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I think we all got carried away with Ole's exceptional start and looking back it's obvious that there was going to be a degree of regression the mean longer he was in charge.

However, his record since becoming permanent manager is abysmal. Absolutely shockingly abysmal and for the life of me I don't understand how or why this happened.
 

bond19821982

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OP is updated with EPL form.

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
49 points from 29 games.
1.68 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-
16 games 17 points
1.06 points per game.

2019-2020 season
8 games 9 points
1.13 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 43 points
Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season.
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points
 

bond19821982

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We are officially in relegation fight now. Not yet relegation places though. Just wait until Liverpool thump us and we will be embracing relegation places.
 

bond19821982

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OP is updated with EPL form.

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
53 points from 31 games.
1.71 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-

18 games 21 points
1.16 points per game.

2019-2020 season-

10 games 13 points
1.3 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 49 points

Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points.
 

bond19821982

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Still our worst manager since SAF point wise. Moyes level is yet to be reached.
 

el3mel

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Think we'll finish the season with nearly 60 points which won't be enough to finish anywhere near top 6.
 

Leftback99

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OP is updated with EPL form.

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
53 points from 31 games.
1.71 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-

18 games 21 points
1.16 points per game.

2019-2020 season-

10 games 13 points
1.3 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 49 points

Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points.
4th in the league on points since December.
 

bond19821982

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Update

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
53 points from 32 games.
1.65 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-

19 games 21 points
1.10 points per game.

2019-2020 season-

11 games 13 points
1.18 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 44 points

Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points.
 

VeevaVee

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Update

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
53 points from 32 games.
1.65 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-

19 games 21 points
1.10 points per game.

2019-2020 season-

11 games 13 points
1.18 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 44 points

Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points.
We're staying up!
 

tomaldinho1

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No it wasn't. The mistake was hiring Ole before the season was over.
Exactly, this isn't about running back to previous managers who failed. It's about moving forwards, we shouldn't be scared of sacking managers to find the right one - we should be scared of accepting where we are.
 

::sonny::

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OP is updated with EPL form.

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
53 points from 31 games.
1.71 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-

18 games 21 points
1.16 points per game.

2019-2020 season-

10 games 13 points
1.3 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 49 points

Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points.
Next year 100% relegation, without signing the right players
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
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Update

Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
57 points from 34 games.
1.67 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-

21 games 25 points
1.19 points per game.

2019-2020 season-

13 games 17 points
1.30 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 49 points

Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points.
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
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Since Dec 18(caretaker + Permanent)-
64 points from 37 games.
1.72 points per game.

Since March 28th (Permanent manager)-

24 games 32 points
1.33 points per game.

2019-2020 season-

16 games 24 points
1.50 points per game this season.

Targeted points for this season- 57 points

Burnley finished 15th with 40 points last season
Newcastle finished 13th with 48 points.