SAred
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So United have moved on from one extreme in Jose to the complete opposite in Ole when dealing with players and the outcome has been the same. So what manage is needed for this group of players and who.
I’ll do it, wouldn’t be any worse I promise.Who wants to polish a collection of turds?
That's the easy way out, and not true. They aren't City, Liverpool, or even Tottenham level of quality, but they are far better than what they've shown the last few years, and especially this season.The players aren't good enough, no manager in the world would do anything with them
Exactly. Our squad quality is so desperately poor, no manager could get this team to perform at a decent standard.The players aren't good enough, no manager in the world would do anything with them
I don't believe that a Poch or Klopp would not get that group of players into at least the top 6.The players aren't good enough, no manager in the world would do anything with them
The players aren't good enough, no manager in the world would do anything with them
Not really. The squad is poor but Ole has contributed to that by who he has let leave without replacing. We needed a midfieldee more in the sumner than we needed Maguire and it was obvious to everyone under the sun we didn't have enough goalscorers. A better manager would have stressed this better than Old has.Exactly. Our squad quality is so desperately poor, no manager could get this team to perform at a decent standard.
It is true. We have 3 sets of playersThat's the easy way out, and not true. They aren't City, Liverpool, or even Tottenham level of quality, but they are far better than what they've shown the last few years, and especially this season.
Agree, look at sides like Burnley and Bournemouth, their managers get more out of them than they should. Our squad is miles better than Burnley yet Dyche had them in 7th a couple of seasons ago.That's the easy way out, and not true. They aren't City, Liverpool, or even Tottenham level of quality, but they are far better than what they've shown the last few years, and especially this season.
Who gives a shit about top 6?I don't believe that a Poch or Klopp would not get that group of players into at least the top 6.
A diferent group of players. The manager is not going to make a mark diference. The squad is sh3te and lacking in character.So United have moved on from one extreme in Jose to the complete opposite in Ole when dealing with players and the outcome has been the same. So what manage is needed for this group of players and who.
Which ones?Not really. The squad is poor but Ole has contributed to that by who he has let leave without replacing.
The set of players we currently have are also capable of performing much better than they are.
I agree with this bar completely disagreeing with you on Rashford. No where near good enough for a title winning teamIt is true. We have 3 sets of players
1- those who probably good enough to play for title winning sides if surrounded by WC players (Pogba, Rashford, Maguire)
2- those who are comfortably bottom half of the table PL players (Lingard, Mata, Matic)
3- those who belong in the championship/lesser European leagues (Andreas, Fred, Rojo)
Fact is our squad is comprised of mainly players in categories 2 & 3
It'd be a good start with this team, because it's undeniable that it needs reinforcements up front and in the middle. If they could consistently challenge for the top 6 this season, that would be a start at the very least that can be built on with a tactically sound manager who makes the right transfers happen but right now they're looking far off that.Who gives a shit about top 6?
Curious as to what makes you say that? This group of players, under different managers have been utter dross for several years now.Not really. The squad is poor but Ole has contributed to that by who he has let leave without replacing. We needed a midfieldee more in the sumner than we needed Maguire and it was obvious to everyone under the sun we didn't have enough goalscorers. A better manager would have stressed this better than Old has.
The set of players we currently have are also capable of performing much better than they are. They just muddle through games with no obvious direction or instructions.
And Bissaka but yes, the squad is awful. This in on Woodward for not having a football philosophy in place at the club.Which ones?
If United liquidated itself tomorrow I struggle to think of many of our players who would get into an Elite Club. DDG, Pogba, Maguire and maybe Martial.
The vast majority of our squad would end up at mid to lower league teams.
We've been consistently a top 6 side for the last 6 years? That's been the problemIt'd be a good start with this team, because it's undeniable that it needs reinforcements up front and in the middle. If they could consistently challenge for the top 6 this season, that would be a start at the very least that can be built on with a tactically sound manager who makes the right transfers happen but right now they're looking far off that.
Agreed, players have actually got worse under Ole.That's the easy way out, and not true. They aren't City, Liverpool, or even Tottenham level of quality, but they are far better than what they've shown the last few years, and especially this season.
Where do you think our squad stands in the league? I think our full team would be 6th. Without Martial and Pogba, about 9th. I also believe that many other managers in the Premier League could get us playing some half decent attacking stuff and that on paper we have one of the best defences.The players aren't good enough, no manager in the world would do anything with them
I think that list is generous tbh. What I mean is that when you watch our performances a lot of the problems seem to stem from a lack of any organisation or tactical direction, rather than quality.Which ones?
If United liquidated itself tomorrow I struggle to think of many of our players who would get into an Elite Club. DDG, Pogba, Maguire and maybe Martial.
The vast majority of our squad would end up at mid to lower league teams.
See my above response.Curious as to what makes you say that? This group of players, under different managers have been utter dross for several years now.
Mata, Pereira, Rashford, Lingard, McT, Fred, Dalot have been given plenty of chances and have been average at best for so long now. These players should be nowhere near the first team.
Well look at the XI todayWhere do you think our squad stands in the league? I think our full team would be 6th. Without Martial and Pogba, about 9th. I also believe that many other managers in the Premier League could get us playing some half decent attacking stuff and that on paper we have one of the best defences.
Good reply, and I do agree with you that we appear very poorly coached, lack a game plan and seem tactically inept, but our biggest problem for me still lies with the lack of squad quality.I think that list is generous tbh. What I mean is that when you watch our performances a lot of the problems seem to stem from a lack of any organisation or tactical direction, rather than quality.
The players would struggle anyway, but we are THE least tactically organised team I have ever seen...i keep saying this but it's even the most basic things like working on corner or set piece routines, pressing as a unit, etc. It's impossible to say the players couldn't be doing better when you see them looking less prepared and organised than some school teams.
See my above response.
This isn't really the same group of players either. I agree some of them lack quality, but it would be nice to see evidence of a style of play, or something we have worked on at some point. Teams with worse players than us look more like a team than we do. Newcastle for example. Rochdale.
Every single game is a struggle for us because they players seem to be just having to make it up as they go along.
It's not like you can say they aren't trying...there are a few who don't but then it's down to the manager not to pick them.