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Can we really blame the Glazers. And here is my argument that you can't.

Lets have a look at some of the players that Ed has signed up and I doubt that many where signed without consulting the manager first, Fred 50 plus now he has not looked like a 5 million pound player since he has arrived but Jose wanted him and Ed paid over the top to get him, he has not worked out and now United are stuck with a 50 million pound player they can not shift.

Look Fred is one of many but just using him has an example has he does seem the worst of the lot. So how can we expect the Glazers to chuck another x million at another player in Fred's position when we can't get rid of Fred.
 

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Can we really blame the Glazers

Yes we can. They don't know football, they don't understand football, they can't hire the right people who in turn have to hire the right staff to run a FOOTBALL club.
 

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Can we really blame the Glazers

Yes we can. They don't know football, they don't understand football, they can't hire the right people who in turn will hire the right staff to run a FOOTBALL club.
Can not hire the right people they hired Louis , Jose all great managers but did not work out. Do they really need to know football when they hire managers that know football.
 

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Yes, looked what happened to the tampa bay bucaneers and look at what's happening to Man Utd. They were lucky to have SAF running the club when they bought it, now that's he's gone everything is falling to pieces.
 

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The Glazers are businessmen.
They don’t have to understand football but they should have people that do running that part of the club.
Ultimately it’s on them to hire the right people. Right now it’s clear we don’t have those people so the Glazers should do what needs doing.
That’s a lot of dos.
 

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I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.
 

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Can not hire the right people they hired Louis , Jose all great managers but did not work out. Do they really need to know football when they hire managers that know football.
Both dinosaur managers who philosophies were past their self by date. And both haven’t had jobs since.
 

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We certainly have had a mix bag of managers come in after Sir Alex and they did hire one of the best in the business in Jose. I can't see that the Glazers have not backed the club with managers and players look at the money they have spent. For some reason it has not reaped the results. But you can not expect the Glazers to keep chucking 50 million plus at the same problem there has to be a plan and the quick fix has failed so now moving on and hoping Ole turns into Sir Alex.
 

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Can we really blame the Glazers. And here is my argument that you can't.

Lets have a look at some of the players that Ed has signed up and I doubt that many where signed without consulting the manager first, Fred 50 plus now he has not looked like a 5 million pound player since he has arrived but Jose wanted him and Ed paid over the top to get him, he has not worked out and now United are stuck with a 50 million pound player they can not shift.

Look Fred is one of many but just using him has an example has he does seem the worst of the lot. So how can we expect the Glazers to chuck another x million at another player in Fred's position when we can't get rid of Fred.
Of course you fecking can. I stopped reading there.
 

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yeah you can. We talked in the past about needing midfielder and we went YEARS without buying one, we undersold players and didn't bring in and they can not compete and so ole is a nice foil for them. They love the kids talk as they think they can underspend and we blame the manager.
 

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I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.
This is my thinking at the moment.
 

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I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.
This is probably the worst post of the day. Congrats!! Took some doing to top some of the shite posted here.

Everyone loves to mention that all our previous managers were backed, so the glazer scum cant be blames etc. But who ever mentions about the missed transfer target that we failed to get over the line for the previous managers, alas the fellaini debacle. Nobody mentions that some of those failed targets have been winning silverware all over europe.

While i think the rebuild it to big for Ole, its far too easy to blame the managers. There is a pattern to our demise and only the foolish would blame any or all of our previous mangers.
 

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This is probably the worst post of the day. Congrats!! Took some doing to top some of the shite posted here.

Everyone loves to mention that all our previous managers were backed, so the glazer scum cant be blames etc. But who ever mentions about the missed transfer target that we failed to get over the line for the previous managers, alas the fellaini debacle. Nobody mentions that some of those failed targets have been winning silverware all over europe.

While i think the rebuild it to big for Ole, its far too easy to blame the managers. There is a pattern to our demise and only the foolish would blame any or all of our previous mangers.
I'm not in your racist little club so obviously if I say something that goes against your manifesto you will target my post with your BS.
 

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I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.
Well Glazers and Woodward hired those managers and decided we don't need many additions this summer for example.
Not blaming them is absolutely ridiculous.
 

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I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.
Moyes had a much better squad.
 

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Someone recently wrote a post about controlled spending, which a number of other clubs seem to do successfully whilst we fail miserably at every attempt.

They don’t invest anywhere near what the club should but in the grand scheme they shouldn’t have been in a position to buy the club had a former manager not fell out with his mates over a horse.

The glazers don’t care & there in lies the issue. They’re actually hands off & that’s why Woodward gets to ruin the product on the pitch whilst bleeding sponsors dry off it.

Whilst we should/could spend more we should/could spend a lot better.
 

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People here have a weird understanding of what an ownership and a CEO should provide. Providing money does not absolve them of the complete failure post SAF. People love to blame managers but who hires these managers? When one manager fails its probably the manager’s fault. But when 4 consecutive managers fail it is definitely time to look into the idiot(s) who made the appointments.
 

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OH. MY. GOSH. What world do some of you really live in? If someone is in charge of something, they are responsible for getting the results. So they take both the glory and blame.

How is the running of Manchester United ANY different to any other organisation out there? I sometimes wonder what line of work these people, who don't blame Ed or owners, work in?! It is nothing complicated here. Glazer's have a track record of not delivering, like United (if anyone is thick enough to point out the time under Saf, then you're just thick) and Bucs.

Ed and the owners have had enough time to prove that they are not incompetent but yet they have FAILED! You don't get a football manager to be in charge of the commercial side of the business. Also works the other way, just as you wouldn't get an accountant to design an architectural design of your house, you don't get an accountant to build your football team.
 

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I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.
Solskjær has had nine months. Woodward has had 78 months, and Galzer has had 14 years and a gigantic buffer present from Ferguson to learn the ropes from. If you think Solskjær is bad and still don’t blame those who hired him and then gave him zero midfield and attacking reinforcements, I wonder what you expect fro the people who actually run the club.
 

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People here have a weird understanding of what an ownership and a CEO should provide. Providing money does not absolve them of the complete failure post SAF. People love to blame managers but who hires these managers? When one manager fails its probably the manager’s fault. But when 4 consecutive managers fail it is definitely time to look into the idiot(s) who made the appointments.
It’s worse than that, because some actually think they provide money, which they don’t. United provide money. Galzers haven’t put a penny into the club, quite the contrary.

Ashley 1 Glazers 0
 

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I don't blame Glazers or Woodward. I blame Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Solskjaer. If they don't sack Solskjaer soon I WILL start to blame them. He is the worst manager of the lot. Even Moyes didn't turn us this shit.
I'm not in your racist little club so obviously if I say something that goes against your manifesto you will target my post with your BS.

Yep without doubt the worst thought out post on red cafe. Then you managed to top it off with your second post talking more utter shite. Well done

I do think the blame lies solely at the glazers and Ed Woodward. Rather than investing they are bleeding us dry sucking money out left right and centre, they have completely run us into the ground and now for me the CEO needs to get the sack along with Ole who clearly is out of his depth. Jesus being a United fan at the moment is tough
 
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Well Glazers and Woodward hired those managers and decided we don't need many additions this summer for example.
Not blaming them is absolutely ridiculous.
I can't use hindsight to blame them. They appointed the man Ferguson recommended. Then they went for 2 experienced world class managers. With Solskjaer they went with someone for the fans, a United Legend as a player, AFTER a great run of results as caretaker.
 

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OH. MY. GOSH. What world do some of you really live in? If someone is in charge of something, they are responsible for getting the results. So they take both the glory and blame.

How is the running of Manchester United ANY different to any other organisation out there? I sometimes wonder what line of work these people, who don't blame Ed or owners, work in?! It is nothing complicated here. Glazer's have a track record of not delivering, like United (if anyone is thick enough to point out the time under Saf, then you're just thick) and Bucs.

Ed and the owners have had enough time to prove that they are not incompetent but yet they have FAILED! You don't get a football manager to be in charge of the commercial side of the business. Also works the other way, just as you wouldn't get an accountant to design an architectural design of your house, you don't get an accountant to build your football team.
The Glazers have pity much backed every manager where needed with one exception and that was signing Harry under Jose. They have put the money in where needed, got managers in David was recommended by Sir Alex and got one of the best in the business in Jose but for what ever reason it has not worked out so what is the solution its a long term project that they seem to be backing Ole with and Rome was not built in a day, christ its taken Liverpool 30 years to actually look like they shall eventually be crowned champions. A long term solution seems to be the only solution and whether Ole is the man or not is to be seen. Oh and scouting the right players may actually help no more Freds for 50 million will hopefully be a thing of the past.
 

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I can't use hindsight to blame them. They appointed the man Ferguson recommended. Then they went for 2 experienced world class managers. With Solskjaer they went with someone for the fans, a United Legend as a player, AFTER a great run of results as caretaker.
Nevertheless 4 failed managers. It's on them. And it's not hindsight
Not to mention how the club has been run in general and how they're pumping money out of the club.
 

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The Glazers have pity much backed every manager where needed with one exception and that was signing Harry under Jose. They have put the money in where needed, got managers in David was recommended by Sir Alex and got one of the best in the business in Jose but for what ever reason it has not worked out so what is the solution its a long term project that they seem to be backing Ole with and Rome was not built in a day, christ its taken Liverpool 30 years to actually look like they shall eventually be crowned champions. A long term solution seems to be the only solution and whether Ole is the man or not is to be seen. Oh and scouting the right players may actually help no more Freds for 50 million will hopefully be a thing of the past.
If you think this is some kind of project, let alone long term you're Incredibly naive.
 

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I'm not in your racist little club so obviously if I say something that goes against your manifesto you will target my post with your BS.
Mate! You done the unthinkable!! Topped your previous train crash post with this gem! Keep going, I reckon you have more gas left in the tank. ;)
 

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You can blame the Glazers yes. It's their decision to have a shit show of a hierarchy and let Ed Woodward do what he pleases.
 

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The Glazers are at fault, no questions about it.
If a businessman buys a restaurant he is not supposed to somehow become a great chef but he is expected to hire the right staff and invest in the right places if he wants to succeed. If the restaurant continues to fail even after 7 Years of adjusments and staff changes then it all points back to the owner and the people who made all those changes.

Same with every business.
 
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This might be the stupidest thread I have ever seen on the Caf.

Can we blame owners who bought the most profitable and successful team in the world and turned them into a mid-table laughing stock whilst making a small fortune for themselves in the process? Yes.

"... but they signed off the transfer for Fred, it's not their fault he's shit."

Say no more, my mind is changed. The plight of Manchester United is all down to Frederico Rodrigues de Paula Santos.
 

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This might be the stupidest thread I have ever seen on the Caf.

Can we blame owners who bought the most profitable and successful team in the world and turned them into a mid-table laughing stock? Yes.

"... but they signed off the transfer for Fred, it's not their fault he's shit."

Say no more, my mind is changed. The plight of Manchester United is all down to Frederico Rodrigues de Paula Santos.
Why a stupid thread, the Glazers have backed the club with managers and players and paid over the top and given crazy wages out to get those players in, it has not worked out but to say the glazers have not backed the club is incorrect you can not except them to keep chucking money to fix the same problem because one Fred did not work out so lets get another one while not be able to move the originally Fred.
 

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You can blame them for entrusting Ed to run every aspect of the club - even after showing time and again his incompetence on the footballing side.
This.

We’ve spent enough once it became apparent that we really needed to. Yes maybe it was too little too late but could anyone see us dropping off this badly post Fergie? We’ve spent close to a billion quid on shit players. We’ve handed out massive contracts to dross. We’ve hired the wrong manager over and over again. That’s all on Woodward. He has the final say once the money is released.
 

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One common denominator runs through all these failed managers. How many others do we blame before the obvious culprits are exposed.
 

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Our great club has now become the laughing stock of world football, this has been allowed to happen under their watch so they have to take a large share of the blame, do I think it is all the fault, absolutely not. Since the last two years or so under Sir Alex we have made bad decision after bad decision at all levels of the club. During this time I can only really think of negatives associated with us, yes we have won the odd trophy but in my eyes those were due in large parts to luck on the day and we could have lost all of them. My memory isn’t great but these are the negatives I remember that have led us to this point;

Under Sir Alex ( last couple of years)
  • Allowing key players (Ronaldo for example) to leave and replacing with squad players
  • Allowing the squad to age to a state were the spine of the team were all over the hill and needed replacing at the same time, Rio, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs. It’s one thing to have experienced players in the squad but not 5-6 players on their last legs requiring replacement for the next manager. These 5 were all world class players and the money needed to be invested to move forward in one go was ridiculously managed.
  • Allowing average players to stay at the club for too long, Nani/Anderson for example, this issue is still haunting us to this day, Jones/Rojo/Young/Pereria
  • No cohesive team play, relying on individuals to win games (Van Persie)
End of Sir Alex era;
  • Allowing Sir Alex and David Gill to leave the club at the same time, this was an unbelievably bad decision, this must have been known for a while so why we didn’t manage this better is beyond me
  • Hiring Ed Woodward, a proven commercial deal genius to deal with the football side of things as well
  • Hiring David Moyes, a slightly above average manager with no big club experience or even world class coaching skills.
David Moyes
  • Sub title says it all really - the amount of times he admitted to being surprised to be asked to manage us told everyone what they needed to know but if that wasn’t enough.....
  • Allowing Fellaini’s release clause to expire and pay more for him a couple of days later
Louie Van Gaal
  • Buying Di Maria when he blatantly didn’t want to come to us and was desperate to go to PSG. Compounding this by playing him as a wide forward when he was man of the match in the previous Champions League final as an attacking midfielder. Since then we have continued this trend until this season.
  • Stocking up on players with a serious lack of pace when everyone and his dog knows you need this to succeed in the Premier League unless your team is seriously well drilled which we weren’t / aren’t
  • Throwing out his game plan when we lost to Leicester 5-3, after that game came the zombie midfield passing that we are still doing today
Jose Mourinho
  • Took the job with a serious chip on his shoulder and was miserable throughout, clearly he should have had a break from football at that time but we took a chance on him and it backfired massively
  • Instead of positive man management for which he was famous for he actively found reasons to pick fights with everyone, even belittling players in the media
Ole Solskjaer
  • Back to the Moyes era, another manager with no big club experience or any noticeable world class coaching skills
  • Agrees to let Lukaku and Sanchez leave but not demand a replacement. I have no issue with letting them go but it has left us far too light in terms of goals
  • Allowed our midfield to get to the point were Andreas Pereira is now a first team player
  • Some of the worst performances the team has put out in the last 10 years
  • Preached that he would install a level,of fitness that meant even if we weren’t the best team we would be able to out run most teams and that we would press the hell out of them. I haven’t seen either of these promises so far. When we play Liverpool we’ll be able to compare ourselves to team with a real hunger to run and press. Just like we used to have
Scouting team
  • Underpinning all of this is our scouting team, what the hell are they getting paid to do, whoever brought Fred to the clubs attention should be fired just for that.
  • Not pursuing Bruno Fernandes because his passing wasn’t good enough? That sort of thing worse me massively cause it means we think our current players are actually good at it
  • The number of players we have passed up on and not actively pursued is criminal, this may not be their fault but surely we should be scouting players and making sure we pick up some of the talented players out there.

Players
  • Let’s not forget the players here either, over the last 10 years or so the number of horrendous individual performances that I’ve witnessed is staggering.
  • The number of players seemingly happy to pick up their pay check without any perceivable effort is beyond belief, I have no idea how someone like Rojo for example is even a professional footballer.
  • Our over estimation of our youth players. Lingard, Rashford, Pereria, McTominay, are all squad level players in my opinion but we are now reliant on these players. As this is the case I would expect a lot more effort from most of them and indeed the squad as a whole. I don’t know this years stats but it is no surprise we have averaged one of the least running yards in the league over the last few years. I don’t blame this on the mangers it is purely a lack of desire and professionalism from our players

Coaches
  • No cohesive team play that I can see for about 10+ years
  • Can’t put 2 games together with the same game plan
  • What the hell do they do, this is serious question, they can’t be doing the same as everyone else as even Rochdale outplayed us

Medical teams
  • I don’t believe that we have simply bought so many injury plagued players, every year we have multiple players out for long periods of time

Sorry for the rant but I see this club being mismanaged throughout every level, owners, ceo, manager, coaches, scouting, medical teams and especially the players. Until these are all addressed this situation will continue.

The only positive I have is that at least Ole’s transfers this season have so far proved good business for me. Due to his complete lack of any game plan or coaching skills I would be tempted to move him to the DoF position and bring in someone that can seriously coach a team of players to play above their level like Brendon Rogers. He would be my first choice with Pochettino second.

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Why a stupid thread, the Glazers have backed the club with managers and players and paid over the top and given crazy wages out to get those players in, it has not worked out but to say the glazers have not backed the club is incorrect you can not except them to keep chucking money to fix the same problem because one Fred did not work out so lets get another one while not be able to move the originally Fred.
So it's all right they paid over the top and gave stupid wages and that's not the part of the bigger problem?
Are you aware that they gave saddled the club with their debt?
 

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The Glazers have pity much backed every manager where needed with one exception and that was signing Harry under Jose. They have put the money in where needed, got managers in David was recommended by Sir Alex and got one of the best in the business in Jose but for what ever reason it has not worked out so what is the solution its a long term project that they seem to be backing Ole with and Rome was not built in a day, christ its taken Liverpool 30 years to actually look like they shall eventually be crowned champions. A long term solution seems to be the only solution and whether Ole is the man or not is to be seen. Oh and scouting the right players may actually help no more Freds for 50 million will hopefully be a thing of the past.
So why did it take City not that long after the Abu Dhabi guys came in? Please explain this?
 

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One common denominator runs through all these failed managers. How many others do we blame before the obvious culprits are exposed.
Of the 4 managers that came in David was recommended by Sir Alex , Louis had a proven background, most wanted Jose in to replace Sir Alex and Ole got the job because of his caretaker start. Really not to bad group of managers. Players in and money spent most of us where happen when Sanchez and Di Maria where signed not to mention Paul coming home so they have backed the club but what has gone wrong surely can not be blamed at them for lack of investment and trying to get the right players and managers in.