They need to go as well.
Are we now seeing the Carrick-McKenna influence?
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How not?
I don't think I've ever seen any shot of Carrick where he's not grimacing in silence staring into the distance
Its not just about implementing youth, Chelsea and Derby have had senior players performing well too. No one is performing for us.
The second part is what I am getting at. Frank and Jody Morris are great friends who will take each others advice and an inexperienced Frank will be heavily relying on Jody's huge success at youth level. Meanwhile, McKenna has no connection to Mourinho or Ole and thus neither have any reason to give his style any importance. It is telling that we play nothing like McKenna's style and during the short period when Ole first joined and said he didn't have time to coach the squad and it was all on McKenna and Carrick, we played fantastic football. Just like all of McKenna's other teams.
Maybe give it to McKenna til the end of the season. Half his u18 are now the squad anyway.
And we're in a relegation battle anyway. What's the worst that could happen? (besides relegation)
And we're in a relegation battle anyway. What's the worst that could happen? (besides relegation)
Why Carrick stays on the bench the whole match ? If it was Roy Keane or Gary Neville they would be shouting angry at the players...
I would expect them to be gone if we actually appointment a manager with a clue like Conte.
Jose lost a lot when Rui Faria went and thought he would be okay with some nobody assistants but in reality he needed help dealing with big players and coaching. I said it a year ago they've offered nothing to our play or player development and Carrick is just there with the same glum expression since he was hired. There's more wrong with other staff, the diets, we've had too many players get overweight or bulky, be resistant to training.
Doesn't take long for player to come here and transition to be sluggish.
Jose lost a lot when Rui Faria went and thought he would be okay with some nobody assistants but in reality he needed help dealing with big players and coaching. I said it a year ago they've offered nothing to our play or player development and Carrick is just there with the same glum expression since he was hired. There's more wrong with other staff, the diets, we've had too many players get overweight or bulky, be resistant to training.
Doesn't take long for player to come here and transition to be sluggish.
For a start he thinks Phil Neville is one of our coaches. Or that there is the slightest chance Ronaldo would come back here as a player or a coach.
Haha yeah, just realized that.
Gotta love football and how opinions change quickly!
Conte got binned off by Chelsea for being sh!t near the end of his spell! Our fans were largely horrified by the idea of Conte coming here, a kind of Jose lite negative guy.
Then he took Lukaku and Sanchez to his team, when both looked dreadful here last year.
So I don't know if Conte is suddenly quality again
McKenna does look a bit like Phil Neville to be fair
.You have some flawed logic. Different people have different opinions. You and some others are too quick to say the fans this, redcafe that oh look as if we're some hive mind.
I rate Conte and always have. I also plucked the name out of many experienced coaches to make a point the likes of Conte probably wouldn't keep these people on. I was going type a few but just left Conte. He would be difficult to hire now he's at Inter and they've just more than doubled their record signing fee for him. I wasn't suggesting we try to hire him.
If you don't think Conte is a decent experienced coach in world football regardless of his style then I don't know what to say to you.
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When some fans were mauling Mourinho for his football, they lauded Carrick and especially McKenna as the second coming! Cant be bothered to hunt out the posts but there were so many of them!
Well???? WTF have these two been upto?
Well???? WTF have these two been upto?
I maintain that I think McKenna will go on to have a very successful career, we don't play anything like we did when he coached the U18s so I don't know if he has any influence on the first team. I will say though, if we played like the U18s did under him then we wouldn't be flirting with relegation.
Feck knows about Carrick though, I don't know what he does, how good he is and how much influence he does/doesn't have.
Feck knows about Carrick though, I don't know what he does, how good he is and how much influence he does/doesn't have.
How would you describe the style of play and tactics we played under McKenna at U18 level?
What do we actually do during training sessions and who's in charge of them?
Not sure who’s in charge but I’d wager we do a lot of sideways and backpassing. We’re really good at it so it can’t be by accident.
This business with Faria leaving, it's interesting. It surely had a huge effect on the internal dynamics. Has anyone read any quotes on Faria by United players per chance?
I wouldn't rule out that McKenna is a good coach, but if he is, his influence is probably close to nil. It's anyone's guess whether Carrick is any good.
I think a top class manager wouldn't retain any of our coaching staff.
I wouldn't rule out that McKenna is a good coach, but if he is, his influence is probably close to nil. It's anyone's guess whether Carrick is any good.
I think a top class manager wouldn't retain any of our coaching staff.
This is interesting.
It isn't really because McKenna and Carrick apparently still take all of the coaching sessions.
The entire coaching stuff need to be sacked. Period. I have been starting to think for a good time now that we are just overrating McKenna as much as we overrated the majority of our youngsters. Just because he played good football with U18 doesn't mean he's going to cut it at higher level.
The current coaching stuff are all absolutely terrible. Carrick and McKenna failed with 2 managers in a row and they need to leave. Ole need to go with them. Let the next manager bring his own coaching stuff.
The current coaching stuff are all absolutely terrible. Carrick and McKenna failed with 2 managers in a row and they need to leave. Ole need to go with them. Let the next manager bring his own coaching stuff.
I said the exact opposite.
In the case of Ole, I don't see any reason why he would take precedence over Ole's tactics.
This isn't true at all. We had Sbragia being the direct opposite of McKenna despite the same players. We've also had Warren Joyce being manager with our youth players, and he played conservative despite having superior talent (not the same generation of players), though he did win.
Maybe. As others mentioned, McKenna U-18 style was different. Also the longer Ole was in charge, the more the team becomes dysfunctional after the initial excellent outburst (which Ole admitted he didn't have any influence).
Could it be that there is a slight difference in quality between u18s and the Premier League? Or should you also take into account Ole's record with the reserves?
It's not really about record, but rather a rough outline on how they played. You'd have to ask someone who watched the reserves if they were great going forward or rather if they were adventurous or conservative.
edit: And even then, what constitutes as attacking football then is a bit different to tactics now with Pep and Klopp being the two biggest influences.
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Interesting bump.
This is my favourite from when I first posted it
If only pal, if only
A sideways merchant couldn't be further from the truth.
He may be a bad coach but he was a phenomenal player instrumental in one of the most successful periods of our history. People on the continent appreciated Carrick's class, it was largely his own countrymen who didn't rate him at the time due to having the outdated mentality of players needing to run around more and get stuck in. Carrick's reading of the game meant he didn't need to run like a headless chicken and put in last ditch challenges because he was in the right place to make the interception and his range of passing was excellent. Fantastic player and was pretty much a one man midfield when Scholes retired.
Seeing this thread bumped at this time is hilarious. 
People have no clue what these coaches do but somehow they should be sacked and getting criticism. Tea lady must be next.
I think the reason we field these teams and tactics is due to the pool of players available; as determined by an unbalanced squad, and injuries. I don't think management expected so many injuries to persist for so long.
It looks like Mourinho is back at the bench again, isn't it? Feels like there are two Mourinho's sitting on the bench now, the football is that much boring and the players seems not so "lifted" these days...
Yep, that post aged well didn't it?It looks like Mourinho is back at the bench again, isn't it? Feels like there are two Mourinho's sitting on the bench now, the football is that much boring and the players seems not so "lifted" these days...
Yep, that post aged well didn't it?
It sure did.. Not just this post, many posts from this thread is pure gold now If we accept that Ole/Phelan doesn't really have much coaching influence at the club - is it fair to say that these two are responsible for our poor ball movement and uncoordinated pressing?
Does Ole need to look at freshening up his coaching team in the summer? Question is, are there many high rated coaches out there willing to take on the coaching job while letting Ole keep the matchday fun to himself.
Does Ole need to look at freshening up his coaching team in the summer? Question is, are there many high rated coaches out there willing to take on the coaching job while letting Ole keep the matchday fun to himself.
Why wouldn't Ole have coaching influence?
Phelan is a whole other issue for me. I still think if Ole stays on, we should boot him. I'm not convinced by him and our football notably got worse when he replace Quieroz as the #2 to SAF.
I actually thought this was going to be a bump praising Carrick for his work with Matic, Pogba, McTominay and Fred and McKenna for his work unlocking Rashford, Greenwood and Martial. Turns out I couldn’t have been more wrong
From according to many, Ole's taken a late Fergie years approach to the training ground. And Phelan's his man management guy.
So that leaves Carrick and McKenna as the guys in charge of the training ground (like Meulensteen).
You should know better than thatI actually thought this was going to be a bump praising Carrick for his work with Matic, Pogba, McTominay and Fred and McKenna for his work unlocking Rashford, Greenwood and Martial. Turns out I couldn’t have been more wrong
Honestly, bumping this thread because we’ve had one tough game after a fantastic run ... ridiculous.
After one tough game they’re responsible for poor passing?
What about the previous 6 months when everything has looked so much better?