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He was good for a couple, not world class and he didn't keep up that standard for that long. He played in a comfortable situation where he did little defending. In matter of fact during that 'world class period' he (or the defense) was frequently bailed out by Neuer.

Like I said, when your team only has to defend for 20-25% of a match there isn't as big of a pressure on you as a CB. It's not comparable to being in a team that has 50-60% of possession.

City shipped him off, no one wanted him when Bayern actively tried to sell him. Bit surprising for a supposedly "world class" defender don't you think.
Although Schweinsteiger got the plaudits, Boateng was probably motm for Germany in that World Cup final.
He was also incredible for Bayern during his peak. You won’t find a knowledgeable Bayern fan who will tell you that Boateng’s peak wasn’t outstanding. You’d also be hard pressed to find a Germany fan who’d tell you that either. Boateng’s peak was great. He was head of the defense for one of Bayern’s most successful sides ever.
 

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Although Schweinsteiger got the plaudits, Boateng was probably motm for Germany in that World Cup final.
He was also incredible for Bayern during his peak. You won’t find a knowledgeable Bayern fan who will tell you that Boateng’s peak wasn’t outstanding. You’d also be hard pressed to find a Germany fan who’d tell you that either. Boateng’s peak was great. He was head of the defense for one of Bayern’s most successful sides ever.
Great, he had a couple of years at peaking. Doesn't change that his career average is just that, average. He's a player that gets better by having better players around him but take them away from him and he looks bad. He's not the the holds up the standard, i.e. he's not world class. We've had many CB's better than him in the PL era.
 

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Peak Boateng 2012-2014 was the best CB in the world, and probably Bayern's best defensive player since Matthaus.

His downhill started in the UCL 2015 semis, when Messi destroyed him (literal fall). And even after that he was a very important piece for Bayern's 2015-2019 liga titles.

Easily a more impressive career than Ferdinand or Terry.
 

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Peak Boateng 2012-2014 was the best CB in the world, and probably Bayern's best defensive player since Matthaus.

His downhill started in the UCL 2015 semis, when Messi destroyed him (literal fall). And even after that he was a very important piece for Bayern's 2015-2019 liga titles.

Easily a more impressive career than Ferdinand or Terry.
No.
 

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How is this clown still playing for Bayern?

Can't believe they let Hummels to BVB and kept Boateng
Nobody wanted Boateng. As for why he's getting games, they've got injury problems with Hernandez and Alaba having various spells out of the side, plus Kovac liking to play Kimmich in midfield now and again. He didn't play in the first three league games and when everyone is fit again I imagine he'll be back on the bench.
 

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Great, he had a couple of years at peaking. Doesn't change that his career average is just that, average. He's a player that gets better by having better players around him but take them away from him and he looks bad. He's not the the holds up the standard, i.e. he's not world class.
In case you've watched him regularly in the past, you'll definitely find yourself in the minority with that opinion amongst those who've also watched him during his peak.
 

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In case you've watched him regularly in the past, you'll definitely find yourself in the minority with that opinion amongst those who've also watched him during his peak.
With what opinion? You keep mentioning his peak, I keep pointing out that his peak was short and a fraction of his total career. A defender that rarely had to defend. As Bayern have had to defend more, the worse he has looked.
 

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With what opinion? You keep mentioning his peak, I keep pointing out that his peak was short and a fraction of his total career. A defender that rarely had to defend. As Bayern have had to defend more, the worse he has looked.
That he was good for only a couple of years, never world class, and overall had an average career.
 

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That he was good for only a couple of years, never world class, and overall had an average career.
Last point I didn't say, I said that his total career performance is average. He's had a great career but so have a lot of players.
 

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He was amazing at his peak, especially under Pep. His brutal physique combined with the best long range passing I've seen in a centre back, were amazing to watch. It's a shame it didn't last that long. But there is no doubt about how good he was.
This. Prime Boateng was the best CB I've seen of this generation. Defended like Godin and had the passing of Hummels/Bonucci. He just couldn't keep that level up for as long as his peers. He needs to move, maybe that'll refresh his form. 31 is not too old for a CB.
 

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How is this clown still playing for Bayern?

Can't believe they let Hummels to BVB and kept Boateng
He isn’t even bad this season, what did you watch? He‘s also Bayern’s 4th CB.

Strange bump.
 

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Great, he had a couple of years at peaking. Doesn't change that his career average is just that, average. He's a player that gets better by having better players around him but take them away from him and he looks bad. He's not the the holds up the standard, i.e. he's not world class. We've had many CB's better than him in the PL era.

How can a few years beeing one of the, if not THE, best CB in the world while winning the WC, CL and multiple other titles be called an average career? :lol:

did he feck your gf or something? :lol:
 

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How can a few years beeing one of the, if not THE, best CB in the world while winning the WC, CL and multiple other titles be called an average career? :lol:

did he feck your gf or something? :lol:
Read again what I quoted. Performance vs accomplishments aren't the same. Kleberson won the Brazilian league, World Cup, PL and and Copa America in the space of 3 years. Pretty good career. Not what I was saying where you bolded.
 

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Read again what I quoted. Performance vs accomplishments aren't the same. Kleberson won the Brazilian league, World Cup, PL and and Copa America in the space of 3 years. Pretty good career. Not what I was saying where you bolded.
Not sure what you are getting at here. He played at a level very few CBs of this generation attained when Bayern and Germany were winning titles.

If you are talking about Longevity at the top then maybe you might have a case. But Boateng will easily go down as the top 10 CB of this generation.
 

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Not sure what you are getting at here. He played at a level very few CBs of this generation attained when Bayern and Germany were winning titles.

If you are talking about Longevity at the top then maybe you might have a case. But Boateng will easily go down as the top 10 CB of this generation.
Pretty sure Boateng slept with Snow‘s wife.
 

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While I don’t agree with better than Terry or Ferdinand as they were great for 10 years his peak was probably higher

What is what this average crap ? He might not been a top defender for a decade but he was absolutely world class for at least 3-4 years probably the best in the world at that time.
 

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I said that he had a couple of good seasons. I don't rate that stuff very highly. Substitute WC for PL/CL and you're talking about Wes Brown.
VVD was claimed to be the best defender Europe has ever seen based on 1 season

Between 2012 and 2016 Boateng was one of the best CBs in the game. He dominated the 2014 world cup final like no defender has ever done before
 

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While I don’t agree with better than Terry or Ferdinand as they were great for 10 years his peak was probably higher
Ferdinand was clearly a better centerback than Boateng. You could maybe argue that Boateng's peak was close, but I would choose Ferdinand every time and I was a massive Boateng fanboy. Terry is a bit of a different story, because he would look out of place in many "modern" teams. But for a team like Chelsea, he was also a better player than Boateng was.

He dominated the 2014 world cup final like no defender has ever done before
Just the first one that came to mind with a video available. Boateng was nowhere near that level, in no game he ever played.

Again, I rate his peak highly and he has been unfairly criticised. At his peak, I called him Bayern's best centerback since Jürgen Kohler (I'm not so sure about that anymore considering how quickly his performances dropped). But stuff like "he dominated a final like no defender before" is just silly.
 

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This was Boateng at the world cup final

 

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5 years ago today, as someone on Twitter reminded me. Still doesnt stop looking hilarious.
 

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Really happy for him. He became the butt of jokes back then, and did decline because of injuries, which made people forget how good he was at his peak.

Did really well this season. Made vital interceptions v Barca and Lyon on route to the final and now gets a second UCL medal. We'll deserved as well after close matches v Madrid the previous years.