The Oasis Draft Gio/Skizzo vs BIG DUNK

With players at their career peak, who would win?


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Gio/Skizzo Tactics

Defensive Tactics:


With Dunk using the older and more centrally focused Cristiano Ronaldo, we have decided to deploy Paul McGrath on the right side of our defence, reprising the role he shone so brightly in for Ireland against Holland at Euro 1988. His main task will be the not inconsiderable one of handling Ronaldo, but, when fit, there were few better anywhere.

Euro 1988 Match Report by UEFA said:
Jack Charlton's side, making their bow in the finals, had cause to feel aggrieved. Indeed, they had come closest to scoring in Gelsenkirchen from their only corner of the match. Paul McGrath rose majestically above the defence and headed the ball firmly down against the base of the post. A last ditch intervention by Gerald Vanenburgh prevented the ball spinning over the goal line.

McGrath was imperious, a colossus with bad knees. Injury to right-back Chris Morris forced him to vacate his midfield berth for this game as cover but he was as influential as ever – at both ends. He did not deserve to be a footnote for the winner, as with desperate Dutch pressure mounting it was his header that Ronald Koeman unintentionally turned towards Kieft.
Up against two aerial monsters in Rummenigge and Ronaldo, Vidic's peerless aerial ability, physicality and strength makes him a fine fit for the job in hand. Inbetween them both is Gaetano Scirea, a premium insurance package, whose masterful reading of the game will help to snuff out anything that slips his way.

Attacking Tactics:

Released by Rivera's precision passing, Gento's excorciating pace could cause problems in behind Amoros, dragging out Cannavaro. Now Cannavaro was a sensational centre-half and a personal favourite, but he did struggle in the same system in wide areas against the jet-heeled Henry at Euro 2000.

Through the middle Marco Van Basten can score in a multitude of ways and should be well serviced through a range of supply lines. Gento and Figo can generate chances from out wide to complement Rivera’s creativity in the centre.

BIG DUNK Tactics

Allow no space or penetration on the LEFT FLANK: the great Antonio Cabrini supported by tenacious pitbull Edgar Davids and covered by the hard-tackling Roberto Rosato.
RIGHT FLANK: the complete Manuel Amoros plays alongside the dominant Fabio Cannavaro, supported by the tough enforcer Dave Mackay in midfield.
CENTRE: Fabio Cannavaro and Roberto Rosato can take up the hardest man-marking duties. Both comfortable in the air, wide or on the ball. Their masterful positioning, anticipation, tackling and reading of the game, combined with Matthias Sammer’s covering, defensive leadership and control in the sweeper role makes the backline water-tight. Gordon Banks stands between the sticks, possessing supernatural reflexes and is a calming presence.

CENTRAL DOMINANCE in midfield: Dave Mackay and Edgar Davids will ensure I win the mental and physical battle in midfield. Both are fine passers, adding tenacity and aggression to a solid combative defensive platform. Their complete game is combined with the playmaking genius of Günter Netzer. Their passing and long ball distribution added to their defensive game will help keep us in control in both the attacking and defensive phase. Sammer will join the midfield to create endless passing triangles, further defensive quality and direct vertical movement. Both Mackay and Davids will provide excellent covering when Sammer/our wingbacks push forward/are high. All members of my magic square have the tactical intelligence and technical ability to be fluid in their movement and positioning too in both deep, central and high positions.

SAMMER AND NETZER combining: this will be art. Their movement and passing will break any defensive line and will be hard to contain and mark. Their one-two’s, appreciation of space and penetrative movement (with and without the ball) will be lethal. Ronaldo and Rummenigge will create space for Sammer in central areas - and even the wingbacks can underlap my forwards if they play wide.

FEED RONALDO and RUMMENIGGE: crosses (both low driven, lofted and high) will be delivered by our wingbacks, Cabrini and Amoros. Playmaker Günter Netzer will be able to find the wingbacks and front two all day, delivering an array of perfectly weighted passes, whipped crosses and accurate through-balls. Edgar Davids’ ability to win the ball not only in midfield and launch attacks but also in high positions is effective too, then utilising his technical and creative skills to feed Cabrini, Netzer, Ronaldo and Rummenigge on a plate. Dave Mackay can also feed direct accurate vertical/horizontal balls to the wingbacks/forwards too.

MIXED TEMPO: We can play a patient possession game, dictated by the Magic Square of Sammer-Mackay-Davids-Netzer, with Amoros and Cabrini attacking down the flanks OR prove deadly on the counter: our wingbacks, box-to-box Davids, Netzer, Rummenigge and Ronaldo will be deadly on the fast counter / direct passing vertical transition.

DANGEROUS on flanks: Amoros will overlap Rummenigge and Cabrini will overlap Ronaldo. The Amoros-Rummenigge and Cabrini-Ronaldo combinations will overwhelm the opponent’s fullbacks.

Moreover, both Cristiano Ronaldo and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, complete forwards, will have the freedom to move wide, cut in from the wing, play central, drive through the middle or play off / create chances for eachother. They will pull centrebacks out of position, exploiting any gaps or spaces between the fullback-centreback, and in-behind them, plus, have the technical and physical game to beat opponents one-on-one.
 
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A little on Mcgrath and his role. We touched on it in the OP and the reasoning for such...a few collected thoughts to help sum up the reasoning as with no dedicated left winger, we can use him here to stifle the main threat.

Pat_mustard said:
That said, I'm not convinced that McGrath would have had the nightmarish game against Bettega that was suggested (Cruyff presents a different set of problems entirely). He was excellent covering in wide areas as a centre back, has played at full back albeit at right back, and Joga made a great all touches video of him in a left-sided midfield role against Platini's Juventus.
Joga Bonito said:
I think you could have potentially started the match with McGrath on the right and Vogts as the LCB. Vogts has played on the left before, most notably against Johnstone in the WC qualifiers where he kept him quiet on both (iirc) occasions. Likewise, McGrath is relatively more comfortable on the right, always playing as the RCB and even as an RB at times (such as that display against Netherlands in Euro 1988 and against the Danish Dynamites for eg). It would make more sense with Rijkaard being there as the DM dropping into defense, I'd much rather Vogts on the left flank than McGrath myself.
And a typically fantastic post by Joga covering the qualities Mcgrath possessed

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-double-draft.419589/page-64#post-19587635
 

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We see our key areas here would be getting the two wingers in behind the wing backs and stretching the back three (or two depending on where Sammer is)

Cannavaro being a top defender obviously, but not comfortable with defending wider against pacey attackers


With Gento on one side and our new addition on the other, we feel confident that they can create enough space to get balls into the box for Van Basten to get onto the end of. Marco being a class above the opposition defense here in terms of aerial ability, and the space afforded by the defense being stretched by our wingers means he’d be a constant threat in and around the box. His physicality and ability in the air puts him in the top tier. His top 4 goals here highlighting his ability to find that space and punish the opposition.


Figo especially would love operating in that space being Cabrini and pulling Rosato out. Look how often he got double teamed and managed to create a yard of space to get off a shot or crisp delivery into the box


His 106 assists are the second-most in La Liga history, behind Lionel Messi.
 

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I like McGrath there, is a great fit for Cristiano.
 

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  • Offensively, (Gento-Lizarazu) and (Figo-McGrath) won’t be as effective as (Ronaldo-Cabrini) and (Rummenigge-Amoros).
  • McGrath playing as a defensive right back will be pulled and restricted centrally, allowing space for Cabrini and Davids to exploit and penetrate. Moreover, my opponent’s fullbacks will be more focused and consumed by their defensive tasks then assisting their wingers. My wing system is more fluid and balanced.
  • Vidic will be tormented by my forwards pace and power. They do not have a fixed position so Vidic won’t enjoy his traditional physical one-vs-one against a target centreforward.
  • I have full faith in Amoros-Cannavaro-Mackay dealing with (Gento-Lizarazu) and Cabrini-Rosato-Davids dealing with (Figo-McGrath). They relish the big defensive assignments on the biggest stages.
  • Both ‘The Berlin Wall’ Cannavaro and Rosato (G.Muller called him his toughest marker at the WC) will relish the chance to minimise Van Basten’s influence this game. They will be giants snuffing out danger across the whole defensive third. With Sammer playing sweeper behind them, and architect from deep.
  • I don’t think Rivera will contribute enough physical/defensive contribution where (Sammer-Mackay-Davids-Netzer) and (Scirea-Edwards-Stielike-Rivera) match up in midfield. No one on the pitch matches Davids’ tenacity and engine.
 

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First off, good luck mate :) you have a great team.

  • Offensively, (Gento-Lizarazu) and (Figo-McGrath) won’t be as effective as (Ronaldo-Cabrini) and (Rummenigge-Amoros).
That doesn’t really make sense as a comparison. You’re comparing my wingers to your forwards? And to say Figo and Gento can’t be as effective offensively as your two wide players playing centrally, well it’s a bit silly. The comparison falls apart further when we aren’t planning on using McGrath as a marauding full back.

McGrath playing as a defensive right back will be pulled and restricted centrally, allowing space for Cabrini and Davids to exploit and penetrate. Moreover, my opponent’s fullbacks will be more focused and consumed by their defensive tasks then assisting their wingers. My wing system is more fluid and balanced.

Vidic will be tormented by my forwards pace and power. They do not have a fixed position so Vidic won’t enjoy his traditional physical one-vs-one against a target centreforward

I have full faith in Amoros-Cannavaro-Mackay dealing with (Gento-Lizarazu) and Cabrini-Rosato-Davids dealing with (Figo-McGrath). They relish the big defensive assignments on the biggest stages.
This whole block just paints it as you having a numbers advantage everywhere. Our players are static and only able to cover one area and struggle at that...whereas yours are able to cover everywhere. Center midfielders count here for you but not us? Later on they’re also winning the midfield battle centrally while ours are wilting in the middle of the park and not offering any assistance anywhere else

Both ‘The Berlin Wall’ Cannavaro and Rosato (G.Muller called him his toughest marker at the WC) will relish the chance to minimise Van Basten’s influence this game. They will be giants snuffing out danger across the whole defensive third. With Sammer playing sweeper behind them, and architect from deep.
Good defenders who would struggle at times with trying to stop the service from out wide into MvB, who physically would have the advantage with his build and skill set.
 

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McGrath on Ronaldo is a very good idea although David's liked to drift wide and both could link well with Cabrini so McGrath might need a lot of help from Figo which could reduce the letter's forward contribution. Also as Big Dunk says Kalle vs Vidic isn't that ideal for Skizzo given the former's the mobility although Vidic could do well here.

The best route to goal for Skizzo is Gento and Lizarazu behind Amoros. I'm sceptical of CBs at RCB or LCB unless there's evidence of it working well - Eric Bailly has scarred me for life.
 

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Also, in regards to Rivera not wanting to get involved...

I think you're underrating Rivera's impact here. Here are his numbers from CWC final in 1968.

13 interceptions (a lot of attacks were started by long balls, which are easy to intercept, so the number is a little boosted)
Tackles (attempted/succeeded) 9/5
2 Blocks

He even tracked helped out his right back a few times by tracking the runners from midfield.


He is no Litmanen — or even Suarez for that matter (easier to compare since the eras overlap), but he wasn't a passenger and he definitely was involved in the midfield battle.
 

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Tough luck with the draw @BIG DUNK

One of the very few 5-3-2's that I actually liked here

Cabrini and Amoros from first round was an amazing platform.