Paedophile Richard Huckle stabbed to death at Full Sutton Prison

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Can’t say I’m bothered about this scumbag getting killed.

neither will I praise the guy that killed him like most people are on twitter etc, people forget the chances are he’s inside for something pretty evil himself. He’s probably a lifer Anyway that didn’t care about his actions which is why he killed him.
 

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Give that stabbing man a medal and a reduced sentence.
The alleged killer is also a sex offender. Who has reportedly boasted before that he would rape again as soon as he’s released.
 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50042406

To me, it reads like this: "Horrible man dies in prison. Let's remind you in detail how abhorrent he was so we don't feel too bad about a lapse in prison security. In fact, let's not focus on that whatsoever."

In my opinion, the main news here is that someone was killed whilst in prison, where they should have been safe.

Am I the only one slightly disturbed by the tone of the article, particularly given it's BBC?
Prisons aren't safe... they are full of criminals.

I dont support people taking the law into their own hands, i hope the culprit is caught and punished. That said - no tears over a dead nonce.
 

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Infamy, infamy. They've all got it it infamy.
:lol:

Apparently, everything England does is 'noble' and 'graceful' whereas Bulgaria and Bulgarians are 'shabby'.
 

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:lol:

Apparently, everything England does is 'noble' and 'graceful' whereas Bulgaria and Bulgarians are 'shabby'.
It's ridiculous.
 

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It just read as self-congratulatory to me, with an air of xenophobia.
 

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It just read as self-congratulatory to me, with an air of xenophobia.
It's what we do best.

How many drunken England 'fans' have been arrested on away trips?
 

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I guess that's what I kind of meant but without a bunch of guards/doctor's doing strapping him down and doing stuff.

Maybe it's just me but if I was in a situation where I was never going to see freedom again (even if I did, I would have lost my "prime" years and have nothing to go to), constantly worried if I'll get beaten (or worse) the next day, how bad it will be and have nobody to turn to that can realistically stop it for good would drive me insane and death is probably a preferred option (what would I be living for otherwise?)
All well and good but you can't claim to be a liberal democracy and torture your citizens.

Prison should be about the removal of freedom of movement (that's the punishment), and protecting the public from dangerous criminals. Once in there and secure they should be kept as humanely as possible. Not looking over their shoulder for the possible shiv
 

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The alleged killer is also a sex offender. Who has reportedly boasted before that he would rape again as soon as he’s released.
Ah well in that case, take away the reduced sentence and replace with a pat of the head with a 20 pound hammer.
 

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Yeah, if you're gonna be locking people up then it's your job to prevent stuff like this from happening. The prison should be held liable and his family (if any) should be compensated.
Well that's where I thought the focus of the article should have been.
 

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Yeah, if you're gonna be locking people up then it's your job to prevent stuff like this from happening. The prison should be held liable and his family (if any) should be compensated.
I completely agree that even this man should be kept safe in prison. The prison and everyone involved should be thoroughly investigated.

But what do you mean exactly by his family being compensated?
 

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I completely agree that even this man should be kept safe in prison. The prison and everyone involved should be thoroughly investigated.

But what do you mean exactly by his family being compensated?
That point didn't make complete sense, so I'll clarify.

If I died in police custody awaiting trial, and it could be proven that there was negligence from the police regarding my welfare, then my family/estate would have a good case to sue for some sort of compensation. Because I'm not supposed to die in custody. The police are supposed to look after my welfare while they have custodial charge of me.

Ditto for prison. The authorities (and ultimately, taxpayer) should be held financially liable for deaths that happen in jail that can be linked to negligence on the state's part. In this specific case this person has no family, but generally speaking, there should be some recompense.
 

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That point didn't make complete sense, so I'll clarify.

If I died in police custody awaiting trial, and it could be proven that there was negligence from the police regarding my welfare, then my family/estate would have a good case to sue for some sort of compensation. Because I'm not supposed to die in custody. The police are supposed to look after my welfare while they have custodial charge of me.

Ditto for prison. The authorities (and ultimately, taxpayer) should be held financially liable for deaths that happen in jail that can be linked to negligence on the state's part. In this specific case this person has no family, but generally speaking, there should be some recompense.
I'm curious as to what sort of financial compensation though? As in why does his death entitle them to a penny? Seems a little bizarre, considering they get nothing for him being alive, and the victims certainly don't either way.p

Sure there should be a full investigation and if there's any blame, people should be held to account. But I really don't see how money comes into it here.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'm just struggling to see how payment to the family of a convicted criminal upon his death would be justifiable and how you would even put a price on that.
 

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I'm curious as to what sort of financial compensation though? As in why does his death entitle them to a penny? Seems a little bizarre, considering they get nothing for him being alive, and the victims certainly don't either way.p

Sure there should be a full investigation and if there's any blame, people should be held to account. But I really don't see how money comes into it here.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'm just struggling to see how payment to the family of a convicted criminal upon his death would be justifiable and how you would even put a price on that.
Because as far as I am aware, when the state confines you, it does not throw in the added probability of unnatural death at the hands of other inmates. Not officially at least.

There is already a mechanism by which victims of a crime can sue liable parties for financial damages. Because they were wronged. The perpetrator may be penniless, but that does not negate the fact that some sort of liability exists from perpetrator to victim. And if they are not penniless, no one has an issue with them being made bankrupt in an attempt to make the victim(s) whole.

The state on the other hand, has the right to deprive convicts of their liberty. Not of their sanity, welfare, or life. If the state does that, then they have erred, and there should be a penalty. I think where you are getting caught up is the idea that a convicted pedo's family/estate would receive cash i.e. benefiting from the pedo's death. I see it more as a citizen being failed by the state, which subsequently has to make restitution for that failure.

As for price? That's a minor detail. Legal courts come up with punitive penalties all the time.
 

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Without knowing exactly what happened you can’t know whether it was a lapse in security at all. There are often three prison officers to a wing and you don’t know that they haven’t been intentionally distracted while this took place.

Anyway irrespective of if and buts, I think you have a bit of an idealised impression of what a prison is like. Bullying and assaults are the norm unfortunately and until the staffing issues are sorted, this won’t change.
The facts are that countries with the most “lenient” (ie a rehabilitation focused penal system) have the lowest crime rates. It costs society the least in terms of money & harm. Adequate staffing in numbers & and training are essential. A prison system where bullying & assaults is common place will only lead to more crime & violence on the streets.
 

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Without knowing exactly what happened you can’t know whether it was a lapse in security at all. There are often three prison officers to a wing and you don’t know that they haven’t been intentionally distracted while this took place.

Anyway irrespective of if and buts, I think you have a bit of an idealised impression of what a prison is like. Bullying and assaults are the norm unfortunately and until the staffing issues are sorted, this won’t change.
They are the norm in a dysfunctional prison system. Which most prison systems are.
 

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I hope it was painful, slow and terrifying for him