Çağlar Söyüncü - Leicester's 'Diamond in the rough'...

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This fella looks pish to me. If Luiz was slow and shit at football.
 
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Arsenal were linked all summer prior to his move to Leicester. I think it was his agent trying to push for a move. I remember some fans were laughing at the idea... And then we signed Luiz.

I'd rather this Luiz lookalike than the real Luiz.
 

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Arsenal were linked all summer prior to his move to Leicester. I think it was his agent trying to push for a move. I remember some fans were laughing at the idea... And then we signed Luiz.

I'd rather this Luiz lookalike than the real Luiz.
Given the quality of Arsenals centre halves, I bet they’re not laughing now!
 

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A quote from Caglar Soyuncu's agent sayin that Cags is going nowhere this season & then he adds

“He can still get much better. He will write his name in gold letters in the history of the Premier League."

What a fantastic line that is !
 

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A quote from Caglar Soyuncu's agent sayin that Cags is going nowhere this season & then he adds

“He can still get much better. He will write his name in gold letters in the history of the Premier League."

What a fantastic line that is !
I missed the agent part at first, would've sounded so cool if he referred to himself as Cags and in the third person.
 

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First, let me apologise for the upcoming pedantry.


There are literally no accents in there. Three umlauts, a breve and a cedilla yes, but no accents.
I'm trying to think of a witty response... I might check back later.
 

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We should sign him, then he can lose all of his ability and Leciester can replace him with someone who looks better :lol:
 

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Incredibly poor today, lost track of how many times he was beaten by Pukki to a 30-40 yard long ball. If he played for United, he'd be slated to kingdom come. He is still very raw despite a few good performances earlier on.

 

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Pukki had a broken toe playing aswell for most of the game.

Soyuncu is decent but if you get him one v one you can get some joy.
 

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Great signing on FPL from gameweek 1 and that's all that really matters.
 

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Incredibly poor today, lost track of how many times he was beaten by Pukki to a 30-40 yard long ball. If he played for United, he'd be slated to kingdom come. He is still very raw despite a few good performances earlier on.

You are harsh. He would have been forgiven for only 1 or 2 bad performance if he plays for us. He’s been very good for Leicester.
 

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Before he went to Leicester, I said he looked good but some peeps didn't like him. He's decent.
 

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I'm holding out on judging him. I've seen him give two penalties away this season and their xGA is nearly 7 better than expected which suggests that their keeper may have been in good form or they've been let off the hook by bad finishing.
 

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I'm holding out on judging him. I've seen him give two penalties away this season and their xGA is nearly 7 better than expected which suggests that their keeper may have been in good form or they've been let off the hook by bad finishing.
Or it may mean that all this 10XGG stuff is a load of bull. Schmiecal has played well, but the midfield and back four in front of him are very good and well drilled. This modern obsession with stats turns me off.
 

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The only stats that matter are points, and goal difference if points are level.
 

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Or it may mean that all this 10XGG stuff is a load of bull. Schmiecal has played well, but the midfield and back four in front of him are very good and well drilled. This modern obsession with stats turns me off.
:lol: no it doesn't.

I rate him, but you can't dismiss objective information that doesn't jive with your subjective view. I mean, you can, it doesn't make your view more solid though
 

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Incredibly poor today, lost track of how many times he was beaten by Pukki to a 30-40 yard long ball. If he played for United, he'd be slated to kingdom come. He is still very raw despite a few good performances earlier on.

so you bump the thread after his first poor games in months?
Pukki had a broken toe playing aswell for most of the game.

Soyuncu is decent but if you get him one v one you can get some joy.
he's incredibly quick and mostly shuts down players that try to take him on
I'm holding out on judging him. I've seen him give two penalties away this season and their xGA is nearly 7 better than expected which suggests that their keeper may have been in good form or they've been let off the hook by bad finishing.
not especially, we've just been very good defensively, why people don't seem capable of accepting that is odd to me
:lol: no it doesn't.

I rate him, but you can't dismiss objective information that doesn't jive with your subjective view. I mean, you can, it doesn't make your view more solid though
Its not objective its something where a chance is given an arbitrary value by some mathematician with a spreadsheet, Kasper has played well but i can tell you from watching he has pulled off very few worldly saves, I very rarely, when watching us, see us under the cosh and struggling to cope.
 

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so you bump the thread after his first poor games in months?

he's incredibly quick and mostly shuts down players that try to take him on

not especially, we've just been very good defensively, why people don't seem capable of accepting that is odd to me

Its not objective its something where a chance is given an arbitrary value by some mathematician with a spreadsheet, Kasper has played well but i can tell you from watching he has pulled off very few worldly saves, I very rarely, when watching us, see us under the cosh and struggling to cope.
I trust numbers more than you. Did you watch every match with 100% attention, not inebriated or otherwise distracted, or clouded by emotion because Vardy probably missed a sitter?

It's not complete but it's a consistent methodology applied across every minute of every game. It's insight can't just be dismissed. I obviously value your insight as a frequent watcher but there's room for some reconciliation
 

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The narrative that everyone is so keen to push is that he has been a fantastic replacement for Maguire and it has clouded the judgment of so many people. He has been decent with some good games and some poor mistakes. Nothing to write home about. Evans has clearly been the better CB for Leicester and if we were to analyse the league, I would place him alongside a couple of Sheffield United defenders (Basham and O’Connell I think).

It is the story, the fancy name and the non-English looks which is causing people to sell his story rather than an objective evaluation of his performance
 

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I trust numbers more than you. Did you watch every match with 100% attention, not inebriated or otherwise distracted, or clouded by emotion because Vardy probably missed a sitter?

It's not complete but it's a consistent methodology applied across every minute of every game. It's insight can't just be dismissed. I obviously value your insight as a frequent watcher but there's room for some reconciliation
except your precious xG system takes no notice of whom any particular chance falls too, which is a key variable, mathematicians that ignore key variables don't tend to be that respected, until some football hipster jumps on their new "stat" as it backs up their own perceived bias, before xG it was all about possession, then teams like us that didn't want possession started to win major trophies so they moved onto the next thing, once this is debunked they will move onto something else.

But what ever floats your boat i guess
 

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The narrative that everyone is so keen to push is that he has been a fantastic replacement for Maguire and it has clouded the judgment of so many people. He has been decent with some good games and some poor mistakes. Nothing to write home about. Evans has clearly been the better CB for Leicester and if we were to analyse the league, I would place him alongside a couple of Sheffield United defenders (Basham and O’Connell I think).

It is the story, the fancy name and the non-English looks which is causing people to sell his story rather than an objective evaluation of his performance
its not a narrative, he has been a fantastic replacement for Maguire, this is undeniable, our defensive record has improved and we sit second in the league and Caglar has fitted in seamlessly, has there been some overpraise, probably, in fact almost certainly, by the same people who were rushing to say we were going to spend the bulk of the Maguire fee on Dunk, Ake or Tarkowski, they are doing so to save face.
 

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except your precious xG system takes no notice of whom any particular chance falls too, which is a key variable, mathematicians that ignore key variables don't tend to be that respected, until some football hipster jumps on their new "stat" as it backs up their own perceived bias, before xG it was all about possession, then teams like us that didn't want possession started to win major trophies so they moved onto the next thing, once this is debunked they will move onto something else.

But what ever floats your boat i guess
Jeez, someone's cranky

What does xG have to do with possession?
 

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More than everything it's the structure and the way they play that makes the players better.

Evans is their best defender and we all know his capability.
 

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Jeez, someone's cranky

What does xG have to do with possession?
I'm not cranky I just think people pay far too much attention to xG.

You missed my point, before every football hipster journalist/columnist was obsessed with xG, they were all about posession, teams could only be deemed good if they had a high possession percentage, but then teams like us, Atleti and others started to win major trophies whilst having low posession and they had to shut up, so they moved onto xG, once xG is debunked , they will move onto a new fad
More than everything it's the structure and the way they play that makes the players better.

Evans is their best defender and we all know his capability.
Evans leadership and experience is key yes, but its not all system based, its old fashioned coaching too
 

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except your precious xG system takes no notice of whom any particular chance falls too, which is a key variable, mathematicians that ignore key variables don't tend to be that respected, until some football hipster jumps on their new "stat" as it backs up their own perceived bias, before xG it was all about possession, then teams like us that didn't want possession started to win major trophies so they moved onto the next thing, once this is debunked they will move onto something else.

But what ever floats your boat i guess
But the irrefutable, unbiased view of a Leicester fan is a much better tool for measuring the performance of a player. That's all xG is, by the way, a tool that doesn't give the whole picture. But when it shows something as abnormal as what we have seen here, you need to stand up and take notice. There will be a reason for it, and when you consider it with the couple of bad mistakes he's made recently, the criticisms has some credibility.
 

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I'm not cranky I just think people pay far too much attention to xG.

You missed my point, before every football hipster journalist/columnist was obsessed with xG, they were all about posession, teams could only be deemed good if they had a high possession percentage, but then teams like us, Atleti and others started to win major trophies whilst having low posession and they had to shut up, so they moved onto xG, once xG is debunked , they will move onto a new fad

Evans leadership and experience is key yes, but its not all system based, its old fashioned coaching too
Can you provide any evidence to back up your statement that hipster journalists only deemed a team good if they had high possession? It should be easy seeing as you're posting it so confidently multiple times in this thread.
 

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That's all xG is, by the way, a tool that doesn't give the whole picture. But when it shows something as abnormal as what we have seen here, you need to stand up and take notice.
with regards to xG this bit I agree with the problem is people like Michael Cox treating it like its the be all and end all then other journo's jump on and that bleeds into fans, xG should only be brought up in the overall context of a complete statistical analysis of the league, but that isn't how it is often used
 

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People hate xG when;

A) They dont understand it, and
B) It goes against what they prefer to believe

It is understandable. Must be uncomfortable.
 

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Massively overrated in the first half of the season. Mostly because of the whole Maguire narrative. Piss poor in the second half of the season. Laughable that people have been selecting him in their team of the year.
 

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Think he’s generally quite good but that was a moment of absolute madness and the three game ban will end his season which could really hurt Leicester.