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DWelbz19 said:
Remarkably bad finishing from Mata in these clips. He was very clinical at one point.
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I counted 9 misses from Rashford alone, jeez. If only he could finish 1v1.
Lingard at 3.40 is just :lol:
No surprise to see our attackers wasting his assists, they've been embarrassing clowns for years.
Only one to come out of that video with his dignity still intact is Martial.
 

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For all the shit people talk about Pogba’s attitude, it’s interesting how well Thought of he is amongst his peers and the majority of coaches he’s worked with.
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I'd say it explains more about Rashford's attitude/decisions that have seen him go from a humble, hardworking player to a primadonna that acts like billy bog bollocks without the game to back it up.
 

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I'd say it explains more about Rashford's attitude/decisions that have seen him go from a humble, hardworking player to a primadonna that acts like billy bog bollocks without the game to back it up.
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You're just imagining that... Dearie me.
 

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If he’s not playing against Liverpool our chance of winning is almost zero.
 

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No I'm not. The wages, the ridiculous jewellery and, the most obvious, his decision making and attitude on the pitch. It's right there in front of you.
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I think that's extremely unfair to blame that on Pogba but it seems he gets blamed for everything on here.
I also think fans are too quick to read into the mentality of our players, labelling them arrogant with little evidence. I agree that his greed on the pitch is frustrating but he appears to be a dedicated footballer with little scandal surrounding his name. Just because he likes tacky jewellery doesn't mean he's acting like billy big bollocks.
 

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No I'm not. The wages, the ridiculous jewellery and, the most obvious, his decision making and attitude on the pitch. It's right there in front of you.
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All supposition - what he does off the pitch counts for diddly squat.

I see what he's like on the pitch and have done in almost every game this season home and away in the flesh. He's working as hard as ever, and he's genuinely hurting at how shit we are. Seriously, that isn't up for debate.
 

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rotherham_red said:
All supposition - what he does off the pitch counts for diddly squat.

I see what he's like on the pitch and have done in almost every game this season home and away in the flesh. He's working as hard as ever, and he's genuinely hurting at how shit we are. Seriously, that isn't up for debate.
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Hahaha. My word, your posts about Pogba are arguably even worse than your ones about Solskjaer.
 

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rotherham_red said:
All supposition - what he does off the pitch counts for diddly squat.

I see what he's like on the pitch and have done in almost every game this season home and away in the flesh. He's working as hard as ever, and he's genuinely hurting at how shit we are. Seriously, that isn't up for debate.
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There are two versions of Pogba. The one in national team who's a mentor and a senior figure who gives motivational speeches to lift his team's spirit and the one at ManUnited, who can be very good at times and disappear in the next game. When He disappears, He's better than an actual magician. Very contradictory.

Maybe He's hard working. Well, most of the professionals are hard working. But I don't think He's hurt at how shit We are from the club/fans's perspective, more like regretting how He could be in a better team winning trophies. I like him as a player, He's still one of the best talents in the world but I doubt He cares that much about United really. If one of the giants come knocking with guaranteed trophies, He and his agent will kick up a fuss (as He has done) to be able to leave.

Don't think He's as Mancunian as people make him out to be.
 

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elnorte said:
Hahaha. My word, your posts about Pogba are arguably even worse than your ones about Solskjaer.
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tenpoless said:
There are two versions of Pogba. The one in national team who's a mentor and a senior figure who gives motivational speeches to lift his team's spirit and the one at ManUnited, who can be very good at times and disappear in the next game. When He disappears, He's better than an actual magician. Very contradictory.

Maybe He's hard working. Well, most of the professionals are hard working. But I don't think He's hurt at how shit We are from the club/fans's perspective, more like regretting how He could be in a better team winning trophies. I like him as a player, He's still one of the best talents in the world but I doubt He cares that much about United really. If one of the giants come knocking with guaranteed trophies, He and his agent will kick up a fuss (as He has done) to be able to leave.

Don't think He's as Mancunian as people make him out to be.
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Was he not talking about Rashford?
 

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tenpoless said:
Maybe He's hard working. Well, most of the professionals are hard working. But I don't think He's hurt at how shit We are from the club/fans's perspective, more like regretting how He could be in a better team winning trophies. I like him as a player, He's still one of the best talents in the world but I doubt He cares that much about United really. If one of the giants come knocking with guaranteed trophies, He and his agent will kick up a fuss (as He has done) to be able to leave.

Don't think He's as Mancunian as people make him out to be.
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How many of our legends of the last 25 years would have happily stayed here for more than 3 years if we'd been as shit as we have been while Pogba has been here? He loved his time here when he was young, and although he left for gametime he loved coming back here when it looked like we were going to turn it around and get back to being a powerhouse. If that had happened I doubt we'd have heard anything from him and his agent about moving on.

But when the team has only been getting worse, and he has (mostly unfairly although occasionally fairly) been made the poster-boy of those failures by the media and much of the public, it's not surprising he wants to move. I've been a Utd fan my entire life but if I were in his position I'd be doing the same unless I had good reason to expect significant improvement.
 

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tenpoless said:
There are two versions of Pogba. The one in national team who's a mentor and a senior figure who gives motivational speeches to lift his team's spirit and the one at ManUnited, who can be very good at times and disappear in the next game. When He disappears, He's better than an actual magician. Very contradictory.

Maybe He's hard working. Well, most of the professionals are hard working. But I don't think He's hurt at how shit We are from the club/fans's perspective, more like regretting how He could be in a better team winning trophies. I like him as a player, He's still one of the best talents in the world but I doubt He cares that much about United really. If one of the giants come knocking with guaranteed trophies, He and his agent will kick up a fuss (as He has done) to be able to leave.

Don't think He's as Mancunian as people make him out to be.
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Pogba isn't different with France and has received the exact same criticism when the team was mainly made of bad players. He also isn't a mentor that's the role played be the likes of Matuidi and Mandanda, the video that people saw during the World Cup has it's equivalent at Old Trafford in the tunnel. What Pogba is and has always been is someone that tries to create a good atmosphere and bring players together.
 

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tenpoless said:
There are two versions of Pogba. The one in national team who's a mentor and a senior figure who gives motivational speeches to lift his team's spirit and the one at ManUnited, who can be very good at times and disappear in the next game. When He disappears, He's better than an actual magician. Very contradictory.

Maybe He's hard working. Well, most of the professionals are hard working. But I don't think He's hurt at how shit We are from the club/fans's perspective, more like regretting how He could be in a better team winning trophies. I like him as a player, He's still one of the best talents in the world but I doubt He cares that much about United really. If one of the giants come knocking with guaranteed trophies, He and his agent will kick up a fuss (as He has done) to be able to leave.

Don't think He's as Mancunian as people make him out to be.
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Very few world class players with ambition would stay with a team that is doing poorly.

Many players have loved their clubs, but moved when a better offer comes along. Look at Henry at Arsenal for Instance.

Do you really think Scholes and Giggs would have stuck around in the 90's if our performances mirrored what ours do now? Not a chance. They'd be off to Italy or Spain.
 

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Majima said:
I counted 9 misses from Rashford alone, jeez. If only he could finish 1v1.
Lingard at 3.40 is just :lol:
No surprise to see our attackers wasting his assists, they've been embarrassing clowns for years.
Only one to come out of that video with his dignity still intact is Martial.
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The one from Zlatan at 04:48 is just criminal in terms of miss.
 

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pocco said:
I'd say it explains more about Rashford's attitude/decisions that have seen him go from a humble, hardworking player to a primadonna that acts like billy bog bollocks without the game to back it up.
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Haha underrated post that. Maybe it's or it's not true but I liked it.
 

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DWelbz19 said:
Remarkably bad finishing from Mata in these clips. He was very clinical at one point.
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The most notable thing about the video is the areas in which he's doing his best work. Playing him too deep nullifies this, all to accommodate Lingard or Mata.
 

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Every single team in the world plays their best player to their strengths. I mean, it's not rocket science, if you're lucky enough to have a top player, you want to get the best of him, right?

Apparently not for United. And the fact that Pogba is also the only creative player we have makes it even more mindblowing. We basically use Pogba to cover for the deficiencies of our other players.

He plays every game these days as our deepest midfielder. Why? Because Matic and Fred are not good enough to start and because McT can't pass or position himself to save his life.
 

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ottosec said:
Every single team in the world plays their best player to their strengths. I mean, it's not rocket science, if you're lucky enough to have a top player, you want to get the best of him, right?

Apparently not for United. And the fact that Pogba is also the only creative player we have makes it even more mindblowing. We basically use Pogba to cover for the deficiencies of our other players.

He plays every game these days as our deepest midfielder. Why? Because Matic and Fred are not good enough to start and because McT can't pass or position himself to save his life.
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Yup even if we want to have Pogba carry us (which ideally shouldn't be the case) we're doing it the wrong way.


Right now he's carrying as an auxiliary player. Ideally, he'd carry better if he played in his exact position and role, with other less talented players playing the auxiliary roles.


It's all backwards right now.
 

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ottosec said:
Every single team in the world plays their best player to their strengths. I mean, it's not rocket science, if you're lucky enough to have a top player, you want to get the best of him, right?

Apparently not for United. And the fact that Pogba is also the only creative player we have makes it even more mindblowing. We basically use Pogba to cover for the deficiencies of our other players.

He plays every game these days as our deepest midfielder. Why? Because Matic and Fred are not good enough to start and because McT can't pass or position himself to save his life.
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So I take it you have more coaching badges and experience than Dechamps, Jose and Ole?

They all seemed to be playing Pogba in a deeper role.

There must be a reason to this, one I can think of is Pogbas strength is his passing ability and we have seen it over the years he can play a pass from anywhere. When he plays no. 10 he gets a bit confused to what his role is, teams crowd him out. Slightly deeper he has alot more influence, can also run into the box late.

The reason he is looking poor is we have NO No. 10, we are expecting him to play 2 positions with the likes of Mata and Lingard contributing nothing.
 

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So I take it you have more coaching badges and experience than Dechamps, Jose and Ole?

They all seemed to be playing Pogba in a deeper role.

There must be a reason to this, one I can think of is Pogbas strength is his passing ability and we have seen it over the years he can play a pass from anywhere. When he plays no. 10 he gets a bit confused to what his role is, teams crowd him out. Slightly deeper he has alot more influence, can also run into the box late.

The reason he is looking poor is we have NO No. 10, we are expecting him to play 2 positions with the likes of Mata and Lingard contributing nothing.
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The deeper role for Pogba is fine if he is still able to get into the areas he shines. It's when he's restricted to playing as a DM and long balls over the top, that's when we miss out.

I think in addition to your no 10. point, we also don't have a dominating DM who allows him to have that freedom, so we're missing out on both ends.
 

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He'sRaldo said:
The deeper role for Pogba is fine if he is still able to get into the areas he shines. It's when he's restricted to playing as a DM and long balls over the top, that's when we miss out.

I think in addition to your no 10. point, we also don't have a dominating DM who allows him to have that freedom, so we're missing out on both ends.
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Exactly, we have seen he can get into positions but unfortunately, the current team dynamics is such that we rely heavily on Pogba to do everything, transition, create, DM, Box to Box.

We keep pointing the finger at him but try him with a proper CAM, consistent ST, RW and LW the team would be completely different.
 

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So I take it you have more coaching badges and experience than Dechamps, Jose and Ole?

They all seemed to be playing Pogba in a deeper role.

There must be a reason to this, one I can think of is Pogbas strength is his passing ability and we have seen it over the years he can play a pass from anywhere. When he plays no. 10 he gets a bit confused to what his role is, teams crowd him out. Slightly deeper he has alot more influence, can also run into the box late.

The reason he is looking poor is we have NO No. 10, we are expecting him to play 2 positions with the likes of Mata and Lingard contributing nothing.
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I don't need coaching badges, I have eyes.

And just so you know, Kante plays the deepest midfielder that covers the defense for France.

What I meant is that he needs a positionally aware midfielder next to him that can cover when he goes forward, not that he must play at number 10. In our team, he's the player that must cover for others.
 

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Pogba is our only player capable of creating anything.

To not play him as close to the action as possible is criminal. We have nobody else who can remotely create chances yet we stick Pogba in front of the back four. Brilliant.
 

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He's best work comes from a left side of midfield three.
Also we don't have a good enough players who can work for him so he can be free to go his magic.
 

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rotherham_red said:
All supposition - what he does off the pitch counts for diddly squat.

I see what he's like on the pitch and have done in almost every game this season home and away in the flesh. He's working as hard as ever, and he's genuinely hurting at how shit we are. Seriously, that isn't up for debate.
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Who's working hard as ever?
 

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He'sRaldo said:
The most notable thing about the video is the areas in which he's doing his best work. Playing him too deep nullifies this, all to accommodate Lingard or Mata.
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Its actually a pretty funny joke.. use your world cup winning, former world record deal and also most talented player to accommodate the non scoring, non assisting local lad :lol:
 

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The one from Zlatan at 04:48 is just criminal in terms of miss.
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Yeah that was a good one. Literally on his foot a few yards out... How i haven't stuck my head in a blender watching these past years is beyond me! :lol:
 
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