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Ole Gunnar Solskjær needs more time and respect at Manchester United
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Only at United a short term is 10 months.
Nepotism is one of the worst ideas to build a foundation on.
Ole the manager won’t find a job anywhere near a top club, based on merit, if it wasn’t for his previous connections.
This pretty much sums up all this situation. I will always love Ole for what he did as a player for our club, his goals were vital and secured us so may points, but he's clearly out of depth.
Even the fitness levels he complained about and said wanted to improve are not even that good.
Not bringing replacements for Fellaini, Herrera and Lukaku exposed the problems even more.
Bored of these articles, you give Ole time relegation is a foreseeable possibility.
He has all the respect in the world. He is a lovely guy and is Man United to the core.
BUT that doesn't mean he is the right man for the long haul, by any means. That is what the majority are saying. He talks a very good game, about exciting and attacking football - on the pitch says a different story, playing worse than we have done with an even weaker squad than before. Is he able to be a good coach? We all know what way we would like to play, it's another to train players so it becomes second nature to them.
People are justifiably questioning his credentials. We are in a really bad place, there is zero time for people learning their trade here, no room for error. He is really up against it, as he really has no help from above.
BUT that doesn't mean he is the right man for the long haul, by any means. That is what the majority are saying. He talks a very good game, about exciting and attacking football - on the pitch says a different story, playing worse than we have done with an even weaker squad than before. Is he able to be a good coach? We all know what way we would like to play, it's another to train players so it becomes second nature to them.
People are justifiably questioning his credentials. We are in a really bad place, there is zero time for people learning their trade here, no room for error. He is really up against it, as he really has no help from above.
That's not true. LVG did the same. He dismantled the team, he added players who were meant for the long term and he relied more on kids then Ole did. It simply didn't work out. I also find this 'all his transfers were top notch' BS a bit OTT.
A- Maguire was Mou's man while James was recommended by Giggs
B- We don't know if his signings will be good in the long term. We had many players who started well and weren't that great afterwards (Jones, Smalling, Bailly, ADM, Ibra)
C- You don't need to be a genius to 'unearth' proven EPL expensive players.
D- Its the scouts/DOF job to find players. The manager's job is to win games.
Van Gaal also spent a fortune on Di Maria, Falcao, Herrera, Shaw, Blind and Rojo in one summer as compared to the likes of Maguire, Wan Bissaka and Dan James. The plan with Van Gaal was never to rebuild but to win the league and make a run in Europe within the 3 year contract he was given.
Agreed.
Regarding the respect the abuse everyone around the club has been getting has been toxic. Pogba getting racially abused, Ole gets personally abused as well. You already know some kid is sending abuses to Ed's family members. The criticism is great but a few cretins do go too far.
Apart from Falcao who was supposed to be an RVP/Larsson type of signing, most of those signings were meant for the long term. LVG dismantled the team of golden oldies he fount and he bought a pool of mostly young hungry players meant for the future. Some of the players he bought started very well (Shaw, Herrera, ADM) while others needed time (Blind and Depay) which we failed to give. Not to forget that he actually played the young players regularly (Rashford for example and Mcnair) rather then simply spoke about them
Ultimately he was sacked for the same reason Ole deserves to be sacked ie his tactics sucked. With the only difference that LVG did qualified for the CL and then he won the FA cup and ended up 5th place. LVG or any other manager would have been massacred if they reduced United to the level Ole brought them in.
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Personal bile should obviously frowned upon, but his history with the club and success as a player has zero relation with his managerial position at the moment.
When it comes to his current role he doesn't deserve or to be given respect and time. Respect and time as a manager is earned, not tossed around because he's likable bloke.
Absolutely. I didn't want him as interim and certainly not as permanent manager but there's a certain way you don't speak about him.
This is not the bloody 1990s and other managers have literally taken single-digit number of games to make an impact. Posts and opinions like this will make Liverpool's dry spell of 30 years without a title look like a mere moment.
I promise you that if some people on here had the means to do so, they would do the same.
This article is trying to make it seem like we just want instant gratification. I'm so tired of people backing up the manager with these lazy strawmans. What I want to see is a change in how United play, to resemble the more exciting attacking sides. It's not the results. I want to see the players being coached. I want to see how a future successful United side will look like, at the very least in patches. This is not being shown by Ole. Our football is boring, with all the same attacking problems as before. We still look clueless in possession, still play with a pedestrian pace, and still lack movement.
And it's not like this problem began this season. It was there last season regardless of whether or not Martial, Pogba, Lukaku, or Herrera were playing. It's continued into this season.
At the end of the day, no manager deserves time for simply holding the manager title. A manager deserves time if they can show us what Klopp showed in his first season. No he didn't get the results, but Liverpool were scoring a lot of goals and playing exciting football. It's only until they tightened up the back that they started to win, but make no mistake, you could see they were a Klopp side. Ole is no attacking manager.
And it's not like this problem began this season. It was there last season regardless of whether or not Martial, Pogba, Lukaku, or Herrera were playing. It's continued into this season.
At the end of the day, no manager deserves time for simply holding the manager title. A manager deserves time if they can show us what Klopp showed in his first season. No he didn't get the results, but Liverpool were scoring a lot of goals and playing exciting football. It's only until they tightened up the back that they started to win, but make no mistake, you could see they were a Klopp side. Ole is no attacking manager.
Put it like this. Solskjaer has been managing for 10 years and is what you would call a management bum. It cannot be escaped. As a player, person, legend, he is top notch and so so humble. That said, near enough every team in the league's fans would shudder if given the keys to their club because he is a bum manager in this day and age. Question is should a manager of this status be given the job of rebuilding one of the biggest clubs in the world? Literally no one else would follow this route. Occasionally you take a chance on a new manager with new ideas on the hope their freshness and novel approach may be groundbreaking. But this is lunacy. He is very, very lucky to have a job of this magnitude. Other caretaker managers actually won silverware. His management does not warrant that much respect tbh. I will give him more time because of injuries and lack of backing in the Summer. Reass the teams form when he reaches the year mark. I fully expect us to be in the top 10 by then
Agreed.
Spot, fecking on.
Literally no other top club has taken a gamble like that. Some people point to Pep and Zidane, but they were tried from day one in their management careers. Ole was a journeyman for like 10 years before being parachuted the job.
Utter madness and one of the single worst appointments a top club would make.
I would give him more time because I think his vision for the team is a good one and I think he is making progress towards it. The results are bad because our attack is so poor but I put that down to player quality. Given how good his signings have been so far I am willing to give him at least the January window to make another signing or two in this area.
Ok but how do you feel he's making progress towards it? Again, are we seeing a particularly style of play or an improvement in fitness or an identity or.. ?
How is he making progress towards it? The fact that you're blaming the attack is proof that the attack isn't functioning right now in your eyes. And if Ole is supposed to be an attacking manager, how on earth has he shown us improvement in our attack if you yourself state that the attack isn't working right now? That's a contradiction.
You're right, it's not the 1990s, things have completely taken a turn for the worse and the increasingly illogical. And it's true that some managers make an impact quickly, but other, also successful managers take a lot longer - depending on whether they need evolution, or revolution with the squad and club as a whole. And it's clear that United needs the latter.
Honestly, if I was a United fan, I would be worried but give Ole more time if I saw better football than I do, even with the same scorelines. Like I say, you need a revolution and it simply is not going to happen without pain and a little regression. Your outfield players are what your players are - they are either well past their peak, not very good, or shamefully inconsistent (Pogba/Martial).
But even with far inferior players to the players you have, there not much leeway for the football played combined with the terrible results. I get functional football for better results at the expense of flair and creativity, in fact I even appreciate it at times. Yet if these results are the best United can do with results-friendly football, that's worrying. Ole should get more time, but either the results have to be better, and/or preferably, there needs to be a hell of a lot more creativity and attacking intent. I'd personally take one or the other this season.
I stopped reading at guaranteed success
I get it, people do not think he's a good enough manager for Manchester United. Fine. There's precious little actual evidence right now suggesting otherwise.
But.....there are tens of thousands of clubs in this world, and therefore tens of thousands of managers. With what Ole has achieved at Molde, he has achieved more than to 97/98% of all the football managers around now will ever achieve. In short, see the big picture of football clubs and management, get down from your fecking ivory tower, and promptly remove your head from your arse. Thank you.
He's given more respect than he deserves. Jose was called cnut while we're 2nd.
If his name isnt ole gunnar solsksjaer he'd be booed out of old trafford
Ole did more for the club than Jose did. You're ridiculous if you think we're going to be more kind to Jose, the cnut. Much better manager, but no way does he deserve more respect.
But his name is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and that's why he deserves respect. That's the point of the thread.If Jose won the league, he would still be toxic eye gouging cnut.
Obviously he isn't better manager than Jose and not even half the manager but his contribution to ManUtd is miles better than Jose's.
This is what right thinking people realise as well. If not for his connections with the club, he wouldn't be our manager and the day he is fired from here, his managerial career will take a big hit. He knows it as well.
I don't know what vision you are seeing cos I see zilch from him. Anyone on the Cafe could have bought AWB and Maguire. Not exactly rocket science.
Is our attack and player quality worse than that of Astana, Rochdale, Soton, Crystal Palace and Newcastle? Seriously?
Ehh, what?
But that is his name. He is someone who is a United legend and while he might not be up to scratch in a managerial capacity he has always treated the club, staff, players and fans with respect himself. The way he is being vilified on a personal level is out of order in my opinion and he absolutely deserves more respect.
For what it's worth I didn't agree with the personal attacks on Jose either but with how he behaved I can see why a lot of people seriously don't like him. But Ole has treated Manchester United with respect always and he is deserving of the same from us and the club too, irrespective of how he performs in the role.
Well was in the papers that Ole admitted he'd made some decisions that "had hurt our prospects short-term but would benefit us long term". Sounds fair enough to me - as that's exactly my impression too. I'm not sure though these decisions were necessary - I still feel they fecked up not doing enough to reinforce our attack and putting too much trust into the abilities of certain players - that our current situation could have been avoided probably without compromising too much on his principles even (by better scouting / identifying more worthwhile prospects). As for respect - you have to earn that you can't demand it from anyone and nobody's above criticism. If indeed we will be rewarded long-term - he'll reap that respect then bigtime even - meanwhile though our results taken into consideration the best he can probably hope for is "the benefit of doubt".
The "doing well with Molde means feck all" sentiment, I presume.
Utter rubbish. Ole deserves respect as a player as he earned it. He’s earned no respect for his managerial abilities. None at all as he’s terrible.
Enough of this crap & sack him. Fck me we’re a pathetic sentimental joke right now.
Enough of this crap & sack him. Fck me we’re a pathetic sentimental joke right now.
THIS.
And can we stop the comparisons to Fergie's early days? Fergie was up and coming, accomplished and shown huge promise beating the likes of Real Madrid. Relegating Cardiff should not be classed in the same category of manager type.
This.
People just love to see Manchester United down.....
Thing is, if he wasnt OLE everyone would want him out.
Why is that a scandinavian thing? It's a norwegian thing. Don't drag us danes into that.
I seen a stat this morning where Ole’s first 29 games with Utd is better than Klopp’s 29 with Liverpool. Granted it’s only a 2 point difference but still maybe a tiny little bit of optimism.