The only thing I can be positive about with Ole is his signings. Even then, I was positive about more than that with LVg and Mourinho at the end. What a waste of a season.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Call Lukaku a big lump of shite all you want.
But had Ole kept him, We would have scored more, won more points and helped with Martial injury + Rashford missing his shooting boots, the thing that was inevitable to happen. He might not be the answer for long term, for Ole, but Ole's decision to sell him after assessing him only for a few months is madness when there were no proven goalscorers available. He's still in a good age as well, which means his price won't be reduced for too much even if He barely plays, given his goal scoring records.
He can be the 2nd CF at the very least, with Rashford going back to the left. Yes, He's limited. So is the squad. He can be shite at fluid football (or whatever it's called with) and scores ugly goals from ugly plays but We badly need a goal scorer. He gives us option other than playing a counter attacking football. Different type of striker than Martial/Rashford. Wasn't this the reason why We signed him? to get a goal scorer that also gives our play more variations?
Trusting Mason to somehow carry us is naive. We were going into the season with 2 CFs, who have spent the majority of their ManUnited career on the left. It's a genius move.
But had Ole kept him, We would have scored more, won more points and helped with Martial injury + Rashford missing his shooting boots, the thing that was inevitable to happen. He might not be the answer for long term, for Ole, but Ole's decision to sell him after assessing him only for a few months is madness when there were no proven goalscorers available. He's still in a good age as well, which means his price won't be reduced for too much even if He barely plays, given his goal scoring records.
He can be the 2nd CF at the very least, with Rashford going back to the left. Yes, He's limited. So is the squad. He can be shite at fluid football (or whatever it's called with) and scores ugly goals from ugly plays but We badly need a goal scorer. He gives us option other than playing a counter attacking football. Different type of striker than Martial/Rashford. Wasn't this the reason why We signed him? to get a goal scorer that also gives our play more variations?
Trusting Mason to somehow carry us is naive. We were going into the season with 2 CFs, who have spent the majority of their ManUnited career on the left. It's a genius move.
Selling him was not the issue. He had to go. Not replacing him is the fecked up part.
I'd like to know what these supposed 'patterns' are that we've been practicing in training.
Pass, pass pass, go back and hoof the ball?
Watching the interview it does feel like we've exchanged the worst kind of pessimist/realist in Jose for the most extreme optimist in Ole.
There must be a happy medium somewhere
There must be a happy medium somewhere
happy medium is when the higher ups can keep an accomplished manager happy in his jobWatching the interview it does feel like we've exchanged the worst kind of pessimist/realist in Jose for the most extreme optimist in Ole.
There must be a happy medium somewhere
It's the four stages of grief:
Moyes: Denial
LVG: Depression
Jose: Anger
Ole: Resignation
I think most of the people like myself that aren't with "it's all Ole's fault" see it as a combination of things, not one person or thing to scapegoat.
First you have a fairly mediocre squad, then we've had a mountain of injuries, and a lot of players are just not in form. Is Ole partially to blame for some of this? Surely but he's not the only issue. That's all. We clearly needed to get an attacking or creative mid-field player and a striker, and who's ultimate call was that? Not sure myself, but that was a horrible mistake as well.
Pocchettino: Salvation?
Ole: Relegation*
To be fair this wretched form started at the end of last season long before he was sold. Lukaku a service dependent striker was already looking even worse in this impotent attack
Apart from history, fanbase and finances, are we really a big FOOTBALL club? Been years I classed us as such. Poor decision making and sentiments have ruined us.
Why in the world should a club as supposedly big as Man United wait for a failing manager to dump them in relegation places before they fire him? I'm imagining top, ambitious clubs enduring that..
You answered yourself in the post above. We aren't acting like a big club anymore and we haven't since 2013. We are regressing. No, no big club would stand for this - a real big club would have thanked Ole and released him in the summer having spent his tenure since last December scouting a permanent manager.
This makes me sad. What a club should be vs what it has been reduced to. I feel so emotionless about everything related to us currently. I follow Redcafe more than I watch our games. We have a big mountain of mindset change to get back to the top echelons of world football. There are no standards anymore at the club. Certain fans have no standards anymore and would rather be labelled 'Top fans' than seek to put an end to this mess. The matchgoing fans I hold responsible too. We have the nicest fans in the world and this correlates with our unambitious nature since 2013. No accountability at the board level too.
I don't agree with that. We've a group of average midfielders who can't do much more than keep it simple but I don't think our set up or intention is defensive at all. I expect the style to improve once we can bring in a couple of better midfielders.
I try to convince myself that Ole saying it was his decision not to buy any midfielders or attackers in the summer is to protect the owners,however part of me does wonder if he really did make that daft decision.
I also think someone needs to tell Ole there are players outside of the UK who are cheaper to buy and generally better quality,this purely british thing is a ridiculous idea and needs to stop before it's too late for him.
I also think someone needs to tell Ole there are players outside of the UK who are cheaper to buy and generally better quality,this purely british thing is a ridiculous idea and needs to stop before it's too late for him.
We should sack Ole then bring him back as interim manager.
Not only this but half the PL is better than us. Most of them would be an upgrade on what we have. The world class players are not going to come to play for Ole and Manchester United, especially one who is guaranteed not to be playing in the CL next season and to play for an unsuccessful manager.
Even SAF at his peak could not get everyone he wanted to come to play for him and United.
I hate to say that Ole is delusional if he thinks he can get this world class talented players.
He needs to go and go now before things get much worse.
...I think with the British idea he will maybe have to compromise a bit of talent for a better attitude. Six of one half a dozen of another. Henderson doesn’t get near to Pogba on a footballing level but Pogba’s attitude stinks the place out, Henderson is the captain and heart beat of a relentless side that rarely draws never mind loses.
Longstaff or Fred ? Fred probably has more in his locker but Longstaff looks streets ahead mentally. He has to be careful not to go overboard with the British thinking and as long as it’s harnessed properly I can see the worthiness in it.
Yep I’m losing that emotion too, Woodward seems happy with Ole & the mess we’re in. So if the board don’t care about the club & are happy for us to be churning out soulless shite every week why should I care?
He can’t seriously watch our games as he seems to think we’re playing good football and Ole is the man. We are fcked & we deserve it as we’re stupid
Take your cue from the local matchgoing fanbase. If they are not demnading Ole go, the wider fanbase has little to no right to demand so. Why do you think they are more patient?
You are probably right, but it could also be if you sacrifice talent for a team full of attitude you end up with Burnley.
We would probably end up hiring him full time again with a few good results and abit of running
I doubt he’s happy. He may not care about the football but he’ll be hating the loss of face. He’ll be working on a plan to minimise that at least.
Whether it will be one that actually benefits the football club is another matter.
Utter rubbish. I don’t care if the top reds attending games are stupid enough to not see how shite Ole is.
Oh & I have every right to do so. Supported them since I was a little boy so they’re my club too
I am not averse to some British players in the team,however when there are players in europe available cheaper who have same attitude and better skill level then surely it's a no brainer
This is where a director of football comes into their own but unfortunately our board just cannot see that way of thinking. They can often unearth some top european talent before they make it big and price goes through the roof.
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Then you do not understand the club. It's not your fault, but you'll never get it. Btw - chastising matchgoers (many of whom have generational ties to the club) as 'top reds' is utterly imbecilic. It's embarrassing for supposed fans to use that term about other fans.
So if you pay 80quid you have the right to demand anything?
If enough of the people that have been buying tickets long enough to actually be able to get tickets pay £80 and have the same opinion, yes.
A few individuals? No.
There are mixed messages coming out of the club. If they said we are in a rebuild, we might not get back to winning for a while, we are asking Ole to do that rebuild and are going to be patient with him. Fans would probably accept it. The problem starts when Woodward keeps coming out with United are about winning trophies etc. When at the moment that is not going to be the case and it is putting untold pressure on Ole that doesn't need to be there. Why can't Woodward admit they made mistakes and are now trying to get back to basics and we are starting again?
Maybe you should stop selling tv rights to parts of the world. Stop selling merchandise globally. Then you can call manchester united your own.
Wow how very arrogant & wrong of you. I don’t think you’ll ever get it that Manchester United is a big part of people’s lives who love the club just as much as a regular match goer & I can call them a top red as they by sticking with a terrible & flailing manager are doing harm to the club.
This is genius.
I don't think even Henderson's mom could honestly say that he's the heart beat of that Liverpool team. You put Fernadinho the foreigner there for him, Liverpool won't suffer. And he's been there since Liverpool was shite also.
we probably lose tomorrow how depressing is that to say out loud. And i know exactly what ole will say: we did really well just lack little more penetration, i am pleased with progress the team making, the boys working really hard, were just a little bit low in confidence but i pleased with the performance, were improving.
The guy deluded great football player, worst tactical manager i ever seen. We are 14th in the table if don't think this is a disaster thank were screwed.
The guy deluded great football player, worst tactical manager i ever seen. We are 14th in the table if don't think this is a disaster thank were screwed.
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