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2019/20 Rivals - Spurs | Bergwijn out for the remainder of the season
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This thread used to be fun. We need Spurs to play and lose again (with a Winks OG if possible).
I can't wait for this documentary.
5-0 win today in the champions league.
Was it a tactical change that might see them improve in the league, or just due to playing against lesser quality opponents?
Was it a tactical change that might see them improve in the league, or just due to playing against lesser quality opponents?
Probably some of option one and a whole lot of option two. Belgrade's defensive performance was worse than I've seen in a long time and would put them in the lower LC divisions here. Failure to win this fixture at home, bearing in mind how bad Red Star actually were, would've been a shocker on a similar level to Colchester.
After the Colchester loss, featuring a Spurs squad with a decent number of regular starters, I'd be tempted to look at a 5-0 win tonight as a big improvement.
Overall, though, Belgrade were so bad that you couldn't possibly use the match as any kind of predictive barometer for PL performances, especially against the likes of Liverpool. If tonight had any effect on the probability of a more favourable outcome against Liverpool, the effect size will have been absolutely minimal and mostly a confidence thing.
We went 4-2-3-1 against Brighton and got pumped, so I don't think it was purely down to a tactical change. Saw a lot more energy tonight though, which regardless of the opponent is good to see. Against Brighton from minute 1 we looked like we were playing within ourselves, and then Lloris' injury only exacerbated that.
But yeah, like @1966 says, it's really hard to judge when you're playing an opponent as poor as Red Star were tonight. They afforded an insane amount of space, couldn't cope with our physicality in midfield at all, and in general were a step behind in a way that any Premier League team simply won't be.
But hell, I can be overly negative at times so I'll latch on to it as a positive. Should give us a confidence boost and I'm glad a few changes (Sanchez at cb, lamela starting etc) were made. Also good to see Ndombele playing so well.
This lesser quality opponents defeated champion league winner Liverpool last season. It definitely the players starting to gel with the new system and changes to gameplan. A 5-0 win is a great scoreline. Even us who plays worse team in the Europa league struggle to put up that much.
All in all, If the players respond to Poch gameplan, positive result will follow. It was not by luck that Poch got to the champions league final, consistently maintained top four and won the league according to xg in 16/17 season. That is why it is imperative that United get him and cause as much disruption to Spurs to lure his attention from there. Poch capabilities as a manager is much bigger than Spurs as Klopp was with Dortmund. United needs to pounce on him like a lion who has not eaten in days.
@Amadaeus
I was waiting for you to arrive after we got a positive result
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Also, let's be fair .. Liverpool beat them 4-0 at home. They can be tough at their own ground but as another poster pointed out earlier, on their travels they struggle badly.
That's not to say that nothing good can be taken away from tonight, but the result does have to be put in to context. It means nothing if next week we go and get totally blown away by Liverpool.
I was waiting for you to arrive after we got a positive result
.Also, let's be fair .. Liverpool beat them 4-0 at home. They can be tough at their own ground but as another poster pointed out earlier, on their travels they struggle badly.
That's not to say that nothing good can be taken away from tonight, but the result does have to be put in to context. It means nothing if next week we go and get totally blown away by Liverpool.
Do everyone a favour and take points off the Scouse rats please@Amadaeus
I was waiting for you to arrive after we got a positive result
Also, let's be fair .. Liverpool beat them 4-0 at home. They can be tough at their own ground but as another poster pointed out earlier, on their travels they struggle badly.
That's not to say that nothing good can be taken away from tonight, but the result does have to be put in to context. It means nothing if next week we go and get totally blown away by Liverpool.
I noticed that Poch has not been picking Eriksen for obvious reasons that he is leaving and uncommitted. A huge loss in quality when in form. But Lamela is doing decent enough to cover for that loss. When Lo celso becomes fit, I believe he can spark your season because he was really good at betis as the number 10. He might have to adopt playing in a fluid front three behind the striker, but as a player who can contribute to goals and assist, he might the player you need to fill that hole left by Eriksen. Regardless, I don’t think Poch will turn it around because there is too much disruption at Spurs with regard to wages, commitment, and uncertainty. The Liverpool game will be a big indicator about whether poch can do the unimaginable and save this season. I watch Spurs closely sometime and I notice that Spurs are not playing incredibly shite. The Bayern game for example, xg had you outperforming Bayern, yet you lot 7-2. If Spurs players can become more clinical and avoid costly errors, then I can see poch turning his season around.
Aye, Eriksen needed to be dropped. He's simply a passenger with his current attitude issues. If he decides he wants to at least give the club a final good season then he will go straight in the lineup, but the way he's acting right now we need to simply forget he exists. It's easy to still think of him as a potentially great playmaker just waiting on the bench, but that isn't the player we're currently getting.
Very interested to see how Lo Celso does in the coming weeks. Only seen tiny bits of him but I like some of what I've seen. High energy player who seems to want to make things happen, which is exactly what we need. Won't start against Liverpool (obviously) but hopefully will get some time to show what he's capable of.
The things I'd do for a win in that game .. evil, evil things.
What are the chances Poch adopts the United template setting out with 5 at the back?@Amadaeus
I was waiting for you to arrive after we got a positive result
Also, let's be fair .. Liverpool beat them 4-0 at home. They can be tough at their own ground but as another poster pointed out earlier, on their travels they struggle badly.
That's not to say that nothing good can be taken away from tonight, but the result does have to be put in to context. It means nothing if next week we go and get totally blown away by Liverpool.
Poch used to play with 3 CB's quite often if I recall.
I'll help.
I thought it was almost certain, but then we put in our best performances in ages tonight with the 4-2-3-1, so the temptation might be to go with what worked. It was against Red Star though, so there's no guarantee whatsoever the same approach would be nearly as effective at Anfield.
We played 5 at the back from the start against Watford, it wasn't really working so we switched at half time. But against Liverpool it would make a lot more sense to play a style that United had some success with. Especially since, and I mean no offence to United here, we have the forwards that you'd expect to be able to punish them better.
But either way it's a fecking mountain to climb. Liverpool are stupidly good at home.
@1966 @SquishyMcSquish cheers for the replies. At least even if it isn't necessarily a big turning point, it's a big confidence booster going into a difficult match.
Unless you believe @Amadaeus of course, after all, it's no coincidence that Poch got that rabble to a champions league final.
Unless you believe @Amadaeus of course, after all, it's no coincidence that Poch got that rabble to a champions league final.
Does that mean half a blowjob each?
Yeah. He got that shower to a CL final and there wasn't even any luck along the way.@1966 @SquishyMcSquish cheers for the replies. At least even if it isn't necessarily a big turning point, it's a big confidence booster going into a difficult match.
Unless you believe @Amadaeus of course, after all, it's no coincidence that Poch got that rabble to a champions league final.
On a serious note: Poch has managed to escape criticism for basically everything for the last five years, including not winning anything, because he was perceived to be overachieving and there was no way of proving otherwise. I'm on the other side of the fence - believing that a better manager could've won at least a domestic cup with this squad in its golden years - but that's equally unprovable.
All I know is that it's good to see people open up in massive numbers to finding a realistic appraisal of Poch. I think his next job will be hugely telling.
I can't understand Amadeus' Poch obsession. Not because I think Poch sucks (I don't) but because he hasn't found his own consistent signature style of football for someone to glom onto. In my mind, Poch simply hasn't done anything as a manager to obsess over yet -- unless you support one of the clubs whose transformations he oversaw and thus directly benefited. Managers with fanboys are generally pretty rare - and reserved for the elite - because the managers need to demonstrate their unique imprint on the game across several clubs and teams before you can confidently say "that's a Pep/Klopp/Poch/whatever team".
No mate, sorry to get your hopes up
an All or Nothing Spurs DVD?
That'll be nothing then
That'll be nothing then
Away to Red Star and then a game against high flying Sheffield United coming up. Do we think they'll win either of those?
Not confident about Belgrade at all, especially without Kane -- that is the kind of game in which he could really make a single-handed impact despite a completely unperformant team. Things are just so bad for Spurs and there's no apparent end in sight. I don't see how Sheffield will be any easier than Belgrade either, despite being nominally "routine" opposition. Colchester showed that there are no more routine opponents for Spurs anymore.
In pure performance terms, Everton may have been a very slight improvement over some of their showings against (again) supposedly "routine" opposition this season - and, indeed, some Spurs supporters are looking hard for a silver-lining there - but any improvement was well within the boundaries of expected variance. I don't think there are any signs yet of sustainable improvement.
Kane doesn't deserve this horror show (nor Son either probably). Kane has been fine or good in every game in spite of the dogshit mess behind him and terrible service. And for all his effort and commitment and being the best player at his club, he gets rewarded by people claiming that his team play better without him and people underrating him because he's not playing like peak RM Ronaldo in a bottom-half team. That Everton game was a good counterpoint to all the idiocy I've had to suffer through this year: no, this team doesn't play better without Kane - significantly worse, on average, actually, except when they're desperate to prove themselves in his absence, which they clearly don't care about anymore - and the Lucas CL hatty was a magic trick to convince millions that he's a unpolished diamond kept out by favouritism instead of a moderately good but limited winger who's already played the best 45 of his career.
None of that last point was aimed at you specifically. Just taking the chance to gloat a bit, especially about the Lucas thing. I've been singing the same song all year. I also really want Kane - i.e. my favourite player - to move on if Spurs can't provide at least the backing he deserves in order to be competitive for individual awards like the Golden Boot. Theoretically, the PL record should be a major incentive for him to favour the status quo but in this team, he isn't going to get a chance to break it. Messi himself wouldn't break the record in a bottom-half team (which is genuinely what Spurs have been for almost a year now). They need to sort their shit out before they lose Kane's loyalty and the squad situation gets even worse: his unusual loyalty shouldn't be mistaken for a lack of ambition because it's clear from interviews that he has both in spades but that ambition will ultimately triumph.
The great Spurs era of 2016-2019 is over.
Trophies won: 0.
Trophies won: 0.
Seem to be having problems at the new stadium like Arsenal and West Ham both did when they moved.
2 points from home games v Watford, Newcastle and Sheffield United.
2 points from home games v Watford, Newcastle and Sheffield United.
Arsenal are doing poorly this season, Man Utd worse, & Tottenham seem to be outdoing the pair of us in mediocrity.
Having watched them several times this season, I think they're actually lucky to be where they are in the table. I could say the same for Arsenal too.
They're always terrible after a European match, always. They'll save their best performances for CL again guaranteed, providing they'll qualify and get a good draw in the last 16 first.
There was a time during the year when I came on here daily and I would see a spurs related thread within the first 10 threads. Where did all the spurs fans go? Does their disappearance have anything to do with the fact they are sitting bottom half at 14th?
Anyways I saw a stat that said they've only won 3 games this season. Thats terrible especially how well they've done the past couple years. Im guessing their rotation is up and they need a new rebuild. I wonder how Ndombele has been performing given he is their record signing.
Anyways I saw a stat that said they've only won 3 games this season. Thats terrible especially how well they've done the past couple years. Im guessing their rotation is up and they need a new rebuild. I wonder how Ndombele has been performing given he is their record signing.
Squishy was banned I believe, and Glaston has fled the boards after all the nonsense he has spouted. About players loving the club and Pochettino, about the new stadium leading them up the table, etc etc.
Banned why? Always seemed a good poster to me.
I think Squishy lost his marbles in the Rugby WC Final thread. I thought he was a good poster as well.
What, really? I really enjoyed his posts, he was very level-headed. How bad did things get in the rugby thread?
Squishy, level-headed
Ok he was a bit eccentric when Spurs didn't win but he always added a lot to threads imo.Squishy, level-headed
Put it this way. Long term/active posters are repeatedly warned about certain behaviours which he was on multiple occasions and didn’t change. If that’s the case then there isn’t much more we can do than say bye.
Oh ok fair enough. Didn't realize he'd been given previous warnings.
There's just not a lot of football going on at the moment - two international breaks, plus no league cup matches for us.
I think it's been a bit of a thing where everyone's got bored of talking about Pochettino when nothing appears to be happening about it.
Wait is this true? Please dont tell me Glaston has been banned?