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Willian, Kovacic, Jorginho and CHO were all excellent today. I've always loved watching those catch me if you can glides across the pitch that Willian does.
 

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Playing the same system when we have a fully fit squad and i dont think RLC gets in the team right now. Unless he comes in for Mount, which i probably would do, tbh. Willian and CHO would stay as my wide men. Rudiger has to come back in along with Christensen, our best cb pairing by a distance.
 

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The funny thing about this Chelsea team is they aren't an outstanding unit individually but Lampard is getting good performances out of them. Anyone who thinks that Solskjaer is a better manager than Lampard needs their heads checking. It's embarrassing how deluded some of our fans are.
 

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Lampart quietly being efficient as usual. Can't hate the man, even as a player he was always a machine. Happy for the chelsea fans. It must be a great feeling a club legend comes back and lifts the club out of crisis. And the thing he has done with the available resources and youth is phenomenal. I hope their transfer ban lasts forever.
 

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Lampart quietly being efficient as usual. Can't hate the man, even as a player he was always a machine. Happy for the chelsea fans. It must be a great feeling a club legend comes back and lifts the club out of crisis. And the thing he has done with the available resources and youth is phenomenal. I hope their transfer ban lasts forever.
Third place behind two of the best sides in league history, and an European cup is far from crisis.
 

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Jorginho has been amazing this season so far. People were laughing at him last season for being a side ways pass merchant. He didn’t have any assists. He brings so much more to the team, plus imagine trying to get assists of Morata and Higuain.

Completely bossed the midfield yesterday!
 

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Jorginho has been amazing this season so far. People were laughing at him last season for being a side ways pass merchant. He didn’t have any assists. He brings so much more to the team, plus imagine trying to get assists of Morata and Higuain.

Completely bossed the midfield yesterday!
He is playing better than under Sarri who was supposed to be his man.
 

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A new £58m winger and multiple good players back from loan softens the blow.
Maybe they are looking like such good players because Lampard is finding a system to get the most out of them as well as good man management. Abraham didn't look great at swansea. It's conceivable Mount could have wilted.

Also their £58m signing isn't even starting most games. Let's not forget Lampard is also making Barkley look good, who i've always thought is one of the most hare brained players out there. Even though he does have ability.
 

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Jorginho has been amazing this season so far. People were laughing at him last season for being a side ways pass merchant. He didn’t have any assists. He brings so much more to the team, plus imagine trying to get assists of Morata and Higuain.

Completely bossed the midfield yesterday!
The critism Jorginho got was the most mind-blowing shit I've ever seen, honestly!
 

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Maybe they are looking like such good players because Lampard is finding a system to get the most out of them as well as good man management. Abraham didn't look great at swansea. It's conceivable Mount could have wilted.

Also their £58m signing isn't even starting most games. Let's not forget Lampard is also making Barkley look good, who i've always thought is one of the most hare brained players out there. Even though he does have ability.
Or maybe it’s because they are good players and I include Barkley in that.

With the exception of CHO the others that are doing well have all had good periods out on loan and it is fair comment that the 19-20 year old Abraham didn’t look good at relegated Swansea and that Mount could potentially wilt but the same reservation can be said about every player coming in be it from a transfer or indeed an academy graduate.

Pulisic hasn’t settled yet and possibly won’t his problem at the moment is more about confidence and adapting to the rigours of the PL.
 

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Maybe they are looking like such good players because Lampard is finding a system to get the most out of them as well as good man management. Abraham didn't look great at swansea. It's conceivable Mount could have wilted.

Also their £58m signing isn't even starting most games. Let's not forget Lampard is also making Barkley look good, who i've always thought is one of the most hare brained players out there. Even though he does have ability.
But Chelsea weren't a bad team last year, they already had a good system, 3rd and Europa league shows that.

Their loan players returning were equivalent to us buying Dan James, in fact they had done more than him in the Championship. Zouma had a decent season at CB for Everton, he's also the equivalent of a £30m+ signing.
 

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But Chelsea weren't a bad team last year, they already had a good system, 3rd and Europa league shows that.

Their loan players returning were equivalent to us buying Dan James, in fact they had done more than him in the Championship. Zouma had a decent season at CB for Everton, he's also the equivalent of a £30m+ signing.
It's easy to say that now in hindsight but no one was saying this in pre season.

Go on to the pre season prediction thread and over half of the posts didn't even have us in top 6 (and nearly all had United and Spurs above us) while our lineup at Old Trafford was universally laughed at. People may say we have a good squad now but that certainly wasn't the general consensus in August.
 

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It's easy to say that now in hindsight but no one was saying this in pre season.

Go on to the pre season prediction thread and over half of the posts didn't even have us in top 6 (and nearly all had United and Spurs above us) while our lineup at Old Trafford was universally laughed at. People may say we have a good squad now but that certainly wasn't the general consensus in August.
Maybe it was the general consensus but not for me:
When i said i thought we could finish outside the top 4 in July and had a similar quality first XI to Leicester, Wolves and Everton:
We have more depth but first 11 wise there's really not much in it.

Chelsea are being written off because they haven't bought any players but lost Hazard, when actually they've brought in Pulisic as well as others like Zouma, Batshuayi, Abraham and Mount returning from loan.
Arsenal have made signings after finishing above us, so have Spurs. Let's see what we do in the next week or so but as it stands we could end up anywhere between 4th-8th in my opinion.
 

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Lampart quietly being efficient as usual. Can't hate the man, even as a player he was always a machine. Happy for the chelsea fans. It must be a great feeling a club legend comes back and lifts the club out of crisis. And the thing he has done with the available resources and youth is phenomenal. I hope their transfer ban lasts forever.
I still maintain that it probably has helped Lampard a lot that the previous managers being Conte and Sarri rather than someone like Moyes is probably the best thing he could ask for in implementing ideas right away.
 

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We can make all the comparisons and excuses we want but Chelsea look like a very well coached team. Kudos to Lampard.
 

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Think Hudson-Odoi is going to be the poster boy for Chelsea, England and PL in a few years. I rate Sancho very, very highly, but IMHO what he has over Hudson-Odoi - at the moment - it's just that extra year (last season) of development at the highest level. Talent wise Hudson-Odoi is the absolute complete package and currently the best English talent, truly a gem.

It is probably going to be the last season for Willian and Pedro and come next summer that right wing spot is up for grabs at Chelsea, who will be coming after a transfer ban. My guess is Lampard is going to go the 'English core' route and will move for Sancho. In the end he is a Chelsea fan, best pals with Hudson-Odoi and Chelsea will have a lot of money to spend. It's just a guess at the moment, but a rumour that I keep hearing more and more around lately.
 

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I still maintain that it probably has helped Lampard a lot that the previous managers being Conte and Sarri rather than someone like Moyes is probably the best thing he could ask for in implementing ideas right away.
I think what is helping him is he is doing things his own way and isn't trying to emulate the managers he's played under.

You see with Ole he's obsessed with Fergie and the United way and seems to be trying to directly emulate what SAF did. Lampard is so far from doing that, he openly regards Jose as a man so good for his career yet his style of play and the way he uses his squad couldn't contrast more from Mou if he tried.
 

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My guess is Lampard is going to go the 'English core' route
That's the only concern i have with Lamps. We musn't go HG for the sake of it, especially now we've got the quota sorted and then some.

I can subscribe to Sancho (although i would prefer a winger closer to his prime for balance sake) but there's much better options about than Chilwell and Cook out there.
 

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That's the only concern i have with Lamps. We musn't go HG for the sake of it, especially now we've got the quota sorted and then some.

I can subscribe to Sancho (although i would prefer a winger closer to his prime for balance sake) but there's much better options about than Chilwell and Cook out there.
Cook I agree with, but I'm not sure there are too many left backs who are better at a similar age as Chilwell, plus settling would be easier, no adjusting to the league, etc. Not trying to have a dig but genuinely curious who you think makes more sense.
 

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Cook I agree with, but I'm not sure there are too many left backs who are better at a similar age as Chilwell, plus settling would be easier, no adjusting to the league, etc. Not trying to have a dig but genuinely curious who you think makes more sense.
Maybe i'm being a bit idealistic but i want our fullbacks to have a lot of dynamicsm and good decision making going forward, i really don't see it with Chilwell and while supporting him as an England player he honestly frustrates me as much as Alonso does while on the attack (though he's a better defender).

Who would be my pick? Would have been Tierney but he's off the market now so next choice for me is Alex Telles, i think he has all the hallmarks of a modern LB and would improve us on the offense phase hugely.
 

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That's the only concern i have with Lamps. We musn't go HG for the sake of it, especially now we've got the quota sorted and then some.

I can subscribe to Sancho (although i would prefer a winger closer to his prime for balance sake) but there's much better options about than Chilwell and Cook out there.
You guys already have a really good core of English players. Sancho and Chilwell would be two players for you, or you could swap Tomori with Slabhead.

Barkley is not good enough, so if the reason he is playing is due to lack of alternatives then you should definetively get someone in to take his place.

What do you think of Pulisic?
 

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You guys already have a really good core of English players. Sancho and Chilwell would be two players for you, or you could swap Tomori with Slabhead.

Barkley is not good enough, so if the reason he is playing is due to lack of alternatives then you should definetively get someone in to take his place.

What do you think of Pulisic?
I think with Barkley if he goes will be replaced by Conor Gallagher (On loan at Charlton and is close to eclipsing Mount's numbers at Derby already). As for Pulisic, the potential is definitely there and i will give him time, we saw the talent he has Saturday and against Liverpool but he has a big problem with consistentcy right now, when he's not on it he tends to be a ghost (his stats against Leicester especially were horrific), he needs to improve on that big time.
 

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Maybe i'm being a bit idealistic but i want our fullbacks to have a lot of dynamicsm and good decision making going forward, i really don't see it with Chilwell and while supporting him as an England player he honestly frustrates me as much as Alonso does while on the attack (though he's a better defender).

Who would be my pick? Would have been Tierney but he's off the market now so next choice for me is Alex Telles, i think he has all the hallmarks of a modern LB and would improve us on the offense phase hugely.
Ehhhhh, not a huge Telles guy in a back four - he's very suspect defensively. As a wing-back he'd be a great option but as someone who's watched a lot of Liga NOS I would be hesitant to splash out for him at age 26/27.
 

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I think with Barkley if he goes will be replaced by Conor Gallagher (On loan at Charlton and is close to eclipsing Mount's numbers at Derby already). As for Pulisic, the potential is definitely there and i will give him time, we saw the talent he has Saturday and against Liverpool but he has a big problem with consistentcy right now, when he's not on it he tends to be a ghost (his stats against Leicester especially were horrific), he needs to improve on that big time.
The problems with Pulisic is that he is not fast enough to consistently go 1v1, no danger from distance, not a good crosser... If he only played in small spaces then he would be really good, but everything in his game seems to lack "range" if you get my meaning. Almost as if he has only played on a small pitch all his life.
 

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Them vs Ajax is going to be a great fixture. He has to play Kovacic cause playing a team lacking technical ability vs Ajax will be asking for trouble. Ajax arent where they were defensively last season due to the players they lost so this could be a very high scoring game.
 

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Emerson was looking good before his injury. We don't need a left back.
Emerson seems to get better every time he plays, He is only 25 so we really don't need a left back.
 

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Emerson seems to get better every time he plays, He is only 25 so we really don't need a left back.
I really like Emerson, he's got Brazilian flair in attack and he's a decent defender. Also Chillwell seems to have dropped a level this season every time I've watched him. He'd be another average defender had he not been English.
 

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Still enjoying the result and mulling over how it impacts the rest of the season.

The players will be able to look back on this and use it as yardstick for future games. Frank referred to the performance as a "blueprint" for the future. (Such an appropriate phrase) You could tell he thought the players had carried out his plans really well. This is so important for a manager. To know your workforce is listening and carrying out your instructions is very gratifying but for those instructions to then secure such an important victory puts Frank in a very good place. He knows his tactics and management are working but he also knows there is still lots to do. He is smart enough to know he cannot just stand still and will need to come up with new ways of enthusing the players.

This success was very much based on hard work and you could see Ajax were tiring with the introduction of Pulisic towards the end. I think Frank had a definite plan to play high energy football. I think his overall plan includes playing high energy football. You can play all the fancy tactics you like but if you can out run your opponent you can win. You still need plans but a high energy high press beats a high press. The players gave their all last night and thank heavens they got the result. It would have been devastating for all concerned if they had worked that hard and lost. They didn't though, and the victory was deserved. They got their just rewards and now know that this type of effort gets results. Frank can ask for this type of effort in the knowledge that the players know it can get them a result as well as the type of feeling they got on the plane home.

The players will be exhausted today and after todays warm down I'm pretty sure Frank will give them a day off. And here's Franks next challenge. How does he manage the energy levels in the team. Its encouraging to see Frank recognises that Willian's tires if asked to run like the team did last night. If he makes good use of the bench, Willian can put in a sacrificial performance and come off after an hour. Bringing on Pulisic late in the game is a real strong move and the only problem with it is that he will, rightly so, want to start in the next game.

Frank has to manage this situation and so far he has made many more good decisions than bad ones. Well done Frank and long may it continue.

COYB.
 

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Still enjoying the result and mulling over how it impacts the rest of the season.

The players will be able to look back on this and use it as yardstick for future games. Frank referred to the performance as a "blueprint" for the future. (Such an appropriate phrase) You could tell he thought the players had carried out his plans really well. This is so important for a manager. To know your workforce is listening and carrying out your instructions is very gratifying but for those instructions to then secure such an important victory puts Frank in a very good place. He knows his tactics and management are working but he also knows there is still lots to do. He is smart enough to know he cannot just stand still and will need to come up with new ways of enthusing the players.

This success was very much based on hard work and you could see Ajax were tiring with the introduction of Pulisic towards the end. I think Frank had a definite plan to play high energy football. I think his overall plan includes playing high energy football. You can play all the fancy tactics you like but if you can out run your opponent you can win. You still need plans but a high energy high press beats a high press. The players gave their all last night and thank heavens they got the result. It would have been devastating for all concerned if they had worked that hard and lost. They didn't though, and the victory was deserved. They got their just rewards and now know that this type of effort gets results. Frank can ask for this type of effort in the knowledge that the players know it can get them a result as well as the type of feeling they got on the plane home.

The players will be exhausted today and after todays warm down I'm pretty sure Frank will give them a day off. And here's Franks next challenge. How does he manage the energy levels in the team. Its encouraging to see Frank recognises that Willian's tires if asked to run like the team did last night. If he makes good use of the bench, Willian can put in a sacrificial performance and come off after an hour. Bringing on Pulisic late in the game is a real strong move and the only problem with it is that he will, rightly so, want to start in the next game.

Frank has to manage this situation and so far he has made many more good decisions than bad ones. Well done Frank and long may it continue.

COYB.
I feel Lampard may follow Klopps blueprint with the fitness and he will go full pelt to ingrain it I'm the club and accept the short term hits (minor knocks and a few flat performances) for longer term gain.
 

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I'm naturally a pesimistic person but i'm getting more optimisic about our future with each game. Lampard as manager and a clear youth development plan.

Pulisic (21), Abraham (22), Mount (20), Tomori (21), James (19), RLC (23), CHO (18), Christensen (23). Some of those have incredible experience already. In fact we only have 4 players over the age of 30 in the whole squad.

Add into all of the above the fact that come the summer we could have the best part of £200-300m to spend, if we wanted. (Combination of players sold, lack of expenditure this year plus next years sales, CL football)

It's a good time to be a blue...
 

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I feel Lampard may follow Klopps blueprint with the fitness and he will go full pelt to ingrain it I'm the club and accept the short term hits (minor knocks and a few flat performances) for longer term gain.
I think Frank was a hard worker as a player and he expects the same from his players now. I think that's the Blueprint. (I like that phrase and hope it catches on) Blueprint football even. I don't follow LFC close enough to say but it appears CFC may even have a bit more depth in their squad to rotate a bit more. We don't have the experience they have but when RLC and Rudi come back we will have enough good players to conserve the batteries.

I've been trying to find out if Pedro is still injured and from what I can tell he is over his hamstring problem. He is still a good player and has something to offer yet he isn't even being mentioned in the squad. He is another player who adds depth to the squad. I think at some point the young players lack of experience could start to show and a bit more experience on the pitch will be needed.

At this point I trust Frank to work it out.