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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Its true though..All Ole has to do to stay in a job isn’t to win games or put in good performance but just to keep on banging about the future & blah blah. When nothing in the present indicates to his future he speaks of.
Ole has the easiest job in football currently & is seemingly untouchable
Of course he has a point. Ole has been shown up as being completely out of his depth right now. His record is absolutely horrendous and the performances even more so, but because he talks about ''United way'', ''it's a process'' and all other sorts of unquantifiable cliches as well as being a Utd legend and being pals with the class of 92, he has somehow managed to keep his job. He talks about the future, but where's the evidence right now that points to this future exactly?
I certainly can't see it.
It's like he's not even being assessed based on the performances and results.
If it was Jose serving up these results and performances, fans would rightly want his head on a stick. We're worse than we ever were at points under Jose. He had also won 2 trophies and finished 2nd with us before his meltdown. With Ole, sitting 13th absolutely rotten, everything is rosy and we're going places apparently...
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He has no point, he was sacked cos he’s a poisonous prick. No one is interested I him any more
Including your own contribution...?
Or is it only insightful and revealing of those whom you disagree with?
I highly doubt this match is going to change anything on the long run despite my belief it was a good overall performance. LVG used to buy himself some times with such results before the team returning to being shite again.
I agree.
It's interesting because the system means we don't have to pretend that we have wingers and we can pack the central areas where we're probably strongest and take a bit of the heat off the midfielders. Even with Pogba back though, Young and AWB are hardly the most creative wingbacks so i think we might struggle to create.
Think Ole definitely got it right with the formation today but i'm not sure if this will work against the lower league teams. Anything is better than the 4-2-3-1 though.
Have to see how we do the next few games. We have to kick on. Today was a step forward. lets hope we dont take another step backwards on Thursday and Sunday.
So where’s all the praise for ole tonight? We’ve had weeks and weeks of bull shit from Man Utd “fans” saying how shit he is. But he’s just bossed Liverpool who are champions league winners on a record winning run? It’s a fecking joke this forum for man united “fans”
We definitely should play 3-5-2 considering our squad, the amount of central defenders we have and our lack of wingers. James could easily be a false 9 who drifts wide.
We didn't boss them at all, we were lucky to hold on really. However yeah, fair feck's to Ole who was spot on with his tactics today.
I thought he got it right today tactically. It's clear as day we're far better against teams who want to have a go at us, just like we were under Jose, and Van Gaal. The issue remains, as it has for years, the players. We don't have the talent going forward to break down sides who sit deep. Today is just another example to back this up. Great effort from the players today, who all of sudden don't look quite as clueless going forward when they've got a bit of space to run into.
amazing heights. we are soaring.Can't believe the level of moaning after we were a few minutes away from beating the best team in the league and stopping their winning form
Actually, we have done well against teams that attack us. See Chelsea. We do badly against any other team setup.
Luckily Liverpool played into our hands. I love Ole. But this was not a tactical masterclass. It was his only option. To be fair to him, at least he chose this option!
But that’s my point. Ole tactically got it right. Like he has done in many games. Why isn’t any one banging on about “patterns of play” or how he does feck all coaching and just throws 11 lads out on the pitch tonight?
Oh so when he’s right he’s still wrong? feck me
I've no arguments against that. As I said, kudos to Ole.
He did get it tactically right today, certainly from the start, although we struggled a little bit as it went on as you would expect given how good Liverpool are and the fact that we've been having a tough time lately. The issue is is that the recruitment in the summer and what we have seen from Ole so far suggests that this might be the sort of game where we will do OK but most of the time we will be the bigger club, the team expected to take the initiative (particularly as Mourinho's failure to do that regularly enough was part of what turned people like me against him), and the players he bought and his coaching and tactics don't seem suited to that. However, you are right that this was a much better and performance than most of us would have anticipated beforehand.
Even more defensive than Mourinho. 32% possession at home.
Oh I see. So he got it right but he’s still shit cos he could do nothing else?! He could have done a million different things today. Could have parked the bus like Jose used to. Give him credit where it’s due for feck sake
The feck is tactical about parking the bus? We spent most of the game with 10 men behind the ball with no real intention to attack. Our long ball percentage was a whooping 21%.
Literally everything we did today is written in the Mourinho big game handbook and this place despised these type of performances a season ago.
feck off he took the game to them. Go support some one else
Understandable considering the circumstances, no?
They've made their minds up, nobody will ever concede they might not be the experts on coaching and patterns of play they pretended they were.
What are you getting upset about?
Build from here based on this formation. Ultimately james can play that left wing back role providing enough defensive cover but then that additional player on the counter attack. Need someone similar on the right as AWB is not a wing back but can fill the right centre back role- Williams. Takes defensive pressure of McT and Pogba and allows us to play two strikers.
De Gea
AWB———--Maguire——Tuanzebe
Williams————————————————James
McT———-Pogba
Pereira
—Martial——————Rashford
AWB———--Maguire——Tuanzebe
Williams————————————————James
McT———-Pogba
Pereira
—Martial——————Rashford
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To me today showed what we could do with a good tactical manager. It's clearly Ole had a game plan today and we executed it nearly perfectly.
Fair fecks to Ole for getting it right, but it doesn't mean I think he's the man to lead us back to the very top. He's managed to get us up for the majority of the big games we've played, but those in theory are the ones you'd expect the players to be up for anyway.
Fair fecks to Ole for getting it right, but it doesn't mean I think he's the man to lead us back to the very top. He's managed to get us up for the majority of the big games we've played, but those in theory are the ones you'd expect the players to be up for anyway.
We're still 13th in the league 2 points above relegation zone with half of the first half of the league done. Don't get why are some of the Ole in camp acting like we turned the tables and everyone was proven wrong or something. Today was good tactical set up but he fecked up the management of his subs and we're still in the bottom half of the table. Let's not act like we're Stoke City fans who just got a draw against top team of the league.
Agreed. He set us up well but his in game management is piss poor.
Are you forgetting what you said this morning?
I thought today was a good performance, based on those first 45 minutes. Didn't create much of anything, but passing and movement was much better.
I don't know how anyone can say that we've always played like that. We can only go off the evidence, and up until today, everything was awful. Today was a step in the right direction, but unless it becomes a pattern, it should be considered an aberration. To act like Ole should never have been questioned is incredible really. Most people would love to be proven wrong, and will be willing to follow the evidence should things turn around for Ole. Don't expect people to change their opinion as of this moment though.
I don't know how anyone can say that we've always played like that. We can only go off the evidence, and up until today, everything was awful. Today was a step in the right direction, but unless it becomes a pattern, it should be considered an aberration. To act like Ole should never have been questioned is incredible really. Most people would love to be proven wrong, and will be willing to follow the evidence should things turn around for Ole. Don't expect people to change their opinion as of this moment though.
Just because he got the formation right I don't particularly think he got anything tactically right.
The 352 formation has been something we should have been playing for along time now because it stops the need for players like Matic to be playing or Fred/Mctomminay/Pogba to be defensive in a deep midfield 2.
Yet Rashford was better playing off the channels & he could have used a striking partner on the other side with James. Players like pereira are still coming in to Cam after drifting off from the right which means that they are much more likely to mess up creating a chance due to all the unnecessary movement.
No subs today until it was too late & we had given Liverpool all the tempo and confidence on the ball for 35+ mins. Klopp today changed the game tactically and we stayed the same. Ole unfortunately for all his good efforts does not know how to manage good enough & has only done his good business for United due to being a fan of the club who has an understanding of what the club needs - however that isn't enough & far from it.
The 352 formation has been something we should have been playing for along time now because it stops the need for players like Matic to be playing or Fred/Mctomminay/Pogba to be defensive in a deep midfield 2.
Yet Rashford was better playing off the channels & he could have used a striking partner on the other side with James. Players like pereira are still coming in to Cam after drifting off from the right which means that they are much more likely to mess up creating a chance due to all the unnecessary movement.
No subs today until it was too late & we had given Liverpool all the tempo and confidence on the ball for 35+ mins. Klopp today changed the game tactically and we stayed the same. Ole unfortunately for all his good efforts does not know how to manage good enough & has only done his good business for United due to being a fan of the club who has an understanding of what the club needs - however that isn't enough & far from it.
I would like him to stick with 3 at the back given what we have available, definitely should be making use of the defenders we have giving us a strong base knowing the weakness in midfield we have
3-4-3
DDG
AWB Tuanzebe Maguire
Dalot Mctominay Pogba Shaw
James Martial Rashford
3-4-1-2
DDG
AWB Tuanzebe Maguire
Dalot Mctominay Fred Shaw
Pogba
Martial Rashford/James
DDG
AWB Tuanzebe Maguire
Dalot Mctominay Pogba Shaw
James Martial Rashford
3-4-1-2
DDG
AWB Tuanzebe Maguire
Dalot Mctominay Fred Shaw
Pogba
Martial Rashford/James
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Got things spot on today.
Anyone saying otherwise is a gowl.
Anyone saying otherwise is a gowl.
I agree, they're all running, working hard for each other, and increasingly playing as a team. Need better players, then possession/ more attacking football will be easier to implement.
Oh, we won?
Spot on in the first half.
Second half he handed the game to them on a platter. In game management pretty much the worst I've seen.
Second half he handed the game to them on a platter. In game management pretty much the worst I've seen.
So the difference between you being happy with how we set up or criticising it basically came down to a loss of concentration from Rojo?
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