Simply has to be replaced with a fitter option next summer; I’d call for it in the winter window but we’re inept.
The option of Shaw > Tuanzabe > Young for LB is criminal.
The option of Shaw > Tuanzabe > Young for LB is criminal.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Where is fatty? Does anybody know when he is going to be fit again?
Either Brandon Williams continue to improve and displaces Shaw within 1-2 seasons completely, or we need to spend £40m or so on a new LB. Shaw is not good enough nor reliable enough to be a first-team mainstay for any big club.
Why do I get the feeling that in 7 years time he will still be our first choice left back?
We cant have two fullbacks who get a nose bleed whenever they venture over the half way line. So something has to give.
Thankfully AWB has shown more in his short time here than Shaw has in god knows how longs he's performed for the club.
Bye,bye Shaw.
Thankfully AWB has shown more in his short time here than Shaw has in god knows how longs he's performed for the club.
Bye,bye Shaw.
Shaw isn't going anywhere. If anything he should be able to walk back into the NT after Rose's recent displays.
I think Chillwell at Leicester is a top LB.
Seems to never get injured, naturally fit as a fiddle, quicker and can defend.
Seems to never get injured, naturally fit as a fiddle, quicker and can defend.
I'd presumed he would definitely be back for the next game. But knowing us, and Shaw, I have no reason to be so sure at all.
Is he alive? At times you forget that he plays for us with his injuries.
Been out 52 days now with a hamstring injury so you’d expect if it’s a grade 2 he is probably close to returning but it’s one of those injuries that if you come back and it’s not quite ready then it can easily just go again.
He had great potential but I fear his career is on the slide now. Injuries will start taking a toll on him as he's not got the most naturally fit body shape either.
We need to start looking at a LB this summer.
We need to start looking at a LB this summer.
I really hope that after injury Shaw shows up much fitter and slimmer on the pitch. Obviously that extra buff will show itself with injuries over time. More strain on muscles and ligament by carrying >5kg overweight all the time. I still think he could make it big if he only could be more professional with his nutrition and training.
Where the feck is this guy? I am blaming him for making me watch Ashley fecking Young more weeks than I can take. Useless git you are Mr Shaw.
Apparently, Luke is heading for Dubai for some warm weather training after suffering a setback in his recovery. Expected back in Manchester at the weekend.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...back-Matic-joining-warm-weather-training.html
Since joining United, Luke made 15 PL starts in his first season, 5 in his 2nd before breaking his leg, 9 the following season understandably struggling to recover his form after such a lengthy absence, 8 the next season as Mourinho lost faith, then 29 last year, winning both player of the year awards. This season 3 PL starts before suffering a hamstring injury.
I went through his list of injuries on Transfermarkt but there's no clear pattern. The Tibia and Fibula fracture obviously had a huge impact. In his first season under LVG he had 2 hamstring injuries, keeping him out for 3 games then 4 matches. Not suffered another hamstring injury until this season. Also ankle (6 games missed) and facial (1) injuries in his first season, groin (10+), concussion (1) and two foot injuries (4) + (2) in his 3rd season.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...back-Matic-joining-warm-weather-training.html
Since joining United, Luke made 15 PL starts in his first season, 5 in his 2nd before breaking his leg, 9 the following season understandably struggling to recover his form after such a lengthy absence, 8 the next season as Mourinho lost faith, then 29 last year, winning both player of the year awards. This season 3 PL starts before suffering a hamstring injury.
I went through his list of injuries on Transfermarkt but there's no clear pattern. The Tibia and Fibula fracture obviously had a huge impact. In his first season under LVG he had 2 hamstring injuries, keeping him out for 3 games then 4 matches. Not suffered another hamstring injury until this season. Also ankle (6 games missed) and facial (1) injuries in his first season, groin (10+), concussion (1) and two foot injuries (4) + (2) in his 3rd season.
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Defence is far from sorted, he's fitness is poor and he's causing the likes of a 34 year old out of position Young to play regularly.
Get rid ASAP.
Get rid ASAP.
Not good enough when he's fit and then there's his awful injury record. We need a first choice LB.
Will be hard to move Shaw on though. Isn't he on like 200k a week?
Will be hard to move Shaw on though. Isn't he on like 200k a week?
It is important to give up on players like him. It is sad to say that out loud, but you just imagine Ole getting the sack and another manager has to get the best out of him due to his wages etc. He is just another pointless player and part of the reason our rebuild is getting bigger for every day it seems. We actually banked on him not getting injured anymore, giving him a contract and put faith in players like him and Lindelof to steady improve. They haven't, so these types of players has to go.
I have been saying for more than a year now that Luke Shaw is nowhere near good enough for United.His injury record is terrible and no sooner does he seem to get a run of games and then an injury and we don't see him for months on end.I watch a massive amount of football both here and abroad and if there are not at least 25 left backs around better than him I would be amazed and disappointed...
It's a priority in my eyes.
The reality of the situation is none of us rate Young as good enough to even be a squad player, yet in reality Young spends 60-70% of the season as a first-teamer for one reason only - Luke Shaw is injured again.
We are basically starting each season with Ashley Young as our first choice LB through default and it's simply not good enough even for a team of Aston Villa's level.
Should have gone for Tierney this summer. Purely based on individual abilities he is better than Robertson, only that Robertson is the ideal player for the way Liverpool plays.
It’s frustrating, obviously, but didn’t he play 29 games last season? We saw Young last season because of Valencia / not having any other options. I think Shaw deserves the rest of the season to sort it out because we definitely have much higher priorities in the squad. If he ends up missing a lot more of this season or not playing well we unfortunately will need to invest in some competition for him.
Left back is down my list of priorities at the moment but I'm probably choosing to ignore Shaw's poor injury record, which is obviously a worry if it means Young comes back into the first XI picture.
I'm really losing my patience with Shaw and I really like the guy. But we can't keep excusing poor fitness levels and constant injuries, he is one of the players who had to prove themselves this season and it's going very bad for him so far.
He isn't good enough, never available, not fit and takes forever to come back from injuries. Getting another fullback should be very high on the list. Maybe Williams could take over?
Just how many players we need to replace...
Yeah that's true and has somewhat skewed my perception.
My opinion is that Luke Shaw, when fully fit and 'consistent', is a 6-7/10 player. He isn't going to be a difference maker at either end of the field. Whether we, as fans, are happy with that is another thing I suppose.
I just look at most of our 'rivals' LB's and see much better players and it winds me up.
For me, Shaw lies in Tier 2 I reckon in terms of upgrades.
If I was running things, it'd be:
Tier 1 (summer 2020) - CDM, CM, RW, STR, #10 (replacing Pogba - yep, 5 signings, I know. Never gonna happen but still).
Tier 2 (summer 2021) - LB, CB (unless Axel has made the spot his). Couple of young kids for the future.
best hope is that one of our youth options comes through at fullback and we can replace that way. Just can't justify spending the money on another defender with how poor we are all over the pitch still.
So good that Arsenal don't even play him... maybe on paper he's great, but the jury is still out for him on whether he can carry over his Celtic form.
Shaw is fine imo, there are much more pressing concerns in the team and limited funding to address them. We don't need WC players in every position.
So injury is not a valid reason for not playing?
The only positive is we’ve got 2 very talented fullbacks in Brandon Williams and Ethan Laird knocking on the door to the first team. Both these lads look potentially top quality, so I can see why were being hesitant to buy another.
having shaw/Dalot/AWB,Williams,Laird SHOULD be good enough considering 1 of those reaches their full potential but we will have to see.
people moan about young sticking around but god knows what we’d do without him right now! the poor guy gets a lot of stick which is a shame.
He's been fit for at least a month
It's the Ashley Young curse. We bought AWB to bench him for good, just for Shaw to get injured again and thus Young remains a main player for us. The guy is eternal I guess. Whatever ways we try to bench him, he'll still sneak to the main team somehow.
Dalot can't stay fit or be a reliable backup full back. Shaw continues to miss a significant amount of matches because health wise, he's unreliable. Ashley Young is almost always available, but he's not of requisite quality.
One of Williams or Laird has to develop and push out Young, compete with Dalot as the backup fullback and/or compete with Shaw as first choice LB.
One of Williams or Laird has to develop and push out Young, compete with Dalot as the backup fullback and/or compete with Shaw as first choice LB.
Embarrassing how a 34 year old nearing the end of his career has been in better shape than him for the last 5 years.
You do understand the concept of aging yeah? He wasn't 34 all 5 years..
He was in his prime or near enough when Shaw came to us. And a leg break can happen no matter what shape you are in, especially they way he was tackled
Brilliant comment!
Young was in his prime as a winger for Villa and United, he has been declining ever since and he has shown he was much more capable for the job at left back than Shaw ever was.
Even before the leg break, Shaw was overweight and dropped by country and club and publicly slammed by Van Gaal. Shaw never wanted it enough, the only time he showed a glimpse that he looked like he was trying was when he was fighting for a fat contract but as soon as he got that he gave up and his performances dipped significantly.
You can question Young all you want but from age 29-34 (last 5 years as he was declining) but Young has shown more hunger for the role than a 19 year old Shaw when he joined the club to play a position that he's never even played before.
Van Gaal also publicly praised him for the zeal with which he’d taken up the challenge to get fit.
I guess that unlike the incredibly professional and low-maintenance Young, Shaw needs a good deal of nannying to keep him focused. LvG seemed to think it was worth the effort; Jose clearly didn’t.
Whatever. Depending on one’s viewpoint, as a signing he’s been somewhere between disappointing and disastrous. So pretty much par for the course.
Just signed a new contract so he's not going anywhere for the next five years as nobody would be daft enough to take him anyway.
Whilst he was a positive from a bad season last year he looked the weak link when we started out this season. I'd be inclined to replace the lad but I still believe the club will feel they have more pressing issues at this time.
Whilst he was a positive from a bad season last year he looked the weak link when we started out this season. I'd be inclined to replace the lad but I still believe the club will feel they have more pressing issues at this time.
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