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It’s not a witch hunt by Neville - who I think mentioned something about Fred last week? It’s been clear for over a year how poor Fred is, pointless and untrue dig at Neville.I like fred and the witch hunt by Neville made him a target for united fans because he kept going on about the price tag......
Judging his performances as a whole though, he hasnt been a success.
The basics of his game just look terrible. His passing, first touch, shooting are not what you would expect in a central midfielder who isn't renowned for their physical prowess. We all know he isn't a Matic, Fellaini, Kante, NDombele, Wijnaldum, Fernandinho.
I dont expect him to run the midfield but I expect his touch, passing, and decision making to be spot on because if not then he is simply not good enough for us.
That's for people who actually resort to stats and barely pay attention to the game and what is going on. So many of his passes were erratic and misplaced but saved by the receiving player, therefor slowing the game down and disrupting the flow. He's absolutely woeful player, he will run with the ball next to a teammate just to pass it from 1m.People complaining about Fred's passing when his accuracy was 92% today...
2nd highest of our starting XI was Maguire with 81%. Everyone else was less than 70%.
He was basically the only player on our team who passed the ball well.
They were our two worst player, except Rojo, Goldbridge is clueless.I know it is amazing how many think that way. Just watched Mark Goldbridge on the United stand who thought the midfield was awesome, & that Fred & McTominay deserved 8's. With Young the worst player. Must have been looking at a different match to me.
I paid attention to the game. I thought Fred's passing was fine. The facts support me on this. His teammates were more guilty of erratic and misplaced passing than he was which is why they all lost possession more than he did.That's for people who actually resort to stats and barely pay attention to the game and what is going on. So many of his passes were erratic and misplaced but saved by the receiving player, therefor slowing the game down and disrupting the flow. He's absolutely woeful player, he will run with the ball next to a teammate just to pass it from 1m.
Don't get me wrong but I can't understand how can anyone credit that performance, never mind his passing. Passes 1m behind the receiver disrupting the flow of the game, simple pass to the CB instead of passing it to the ground he lofts a pass stupidly putting I think it was Lindelof into an awkward situation, running to Young just to pass it from 1m. He was also caught with the ball at his feet dangerously, hit a pass into MCT head I think it was. He's a walking parody. Apart from 2-3 good interceptions, that were also chaotic as feck, he was appalling.I paid attention to the game. I thought Fred's passing was fine. The facts support me on this. His teammates were more guilty of erratic and misplaced passing than he was which is why they all lost possession more than he did.
Yup, this looks like a clear problem for me. He's not assured enough on the ball and cannot really deal with the press. He's working hard and putting in the effort, but ultimately the problem is that he just doesn't have the skills on the ball to be a top CM.Problem with Fred, other than his inconsistency, is his tendency to get pressed in dangerous areas and give the ball away. He's not very press resistant and it has cost us a few times and nearly did today.
I don't think he played well. I gave him a 5 in the ratings, which is an average performance, and was the joint lowest rating I gave out.Don't get me wrong but I can't understand how can anyone credit that performance, never mind his passing. Passes 1m behind the receiver disrupting the flow of the game, simple pass to the CB instead of passing it to the ground he lofts a pass stupidly putting I think it was Lindelof into an awkward situation, running to Young just to pass it from 1m. He was also caught with the ball at his feet dangerously, hit a pass into MCT head I think it was. He's a walking parody. Apart from 2-3 good interceptions, that were also chaotic as feck, he was appalling.
The unnecessary crossfield long ball where he lost possession despite the intended target being in loads of space could easily lead to conceding. This is top level football and moments like that can be the deciding factor. Unforgivable stuff for me.Poor starts in your Utd career, the CAF is unforgiving and it's very hard to change people's opinions.....
The games about opinions I guess and for me he played well yesterday and was more than instrumental in the result. Fred is now that player that after 17 starts in his Utd career, will only focus on the bad and ignore or minimise anything that's good. Sad reallyThe unnecessary crossfield long ball where he lost possession despite the intended target being in loads of space could easily lead to conceding. This is top level football and moments like that can be the deciding factor. Unforgivable stuff for me.
This was the only game where he's looked anything like alright and still wasn't exactly good, other than getting stuck in. He'll have to do a hell of a lot more to change people's well justified opinions. He's playing at what's meant to be the elite level and will be rightfully judged as so.
Yeah that was weird because he hit it with his right foot as well.The unnecessary crossfield long ball where he lost possession despite the intended target being in loads of space could easily lead to conceding. This is top level football and moments like that can be the deciding factor. Unforgivable stuff for me.
This was the only game where he's looked anything like alright and still wasn't exactly good, other than getting stuck in. He'll have to do a hell of a lot more to change people's well justified opinions. He's playing at what's meant to be the elite level and will be rightfully judged as so.
Whoever attempts to watch a match on a radio is an idiot tbf, as it's impossible to do.Nothing personal but unless you watched the match on a radio you are a friggin idiot.
The quality or lack of it in passing does not only depend of the completion rate in order to be rated as fine. He is a CM, and his passing was shit. As I previously pointed out, much of the shit passes he did, were completed yet they were shambolic, with no regard of the receiving player, and some of them brainless. Maybe by his shocking standard he was not that bad, but he was pretty shit regardless. His best qualities are defensive, yet his defensive instincts are shambolic.I don't think he played well. I gave him a 5 in the ratings, which is an average performance, and was the joint lowest rating I gave out.
His passing, as I said, was fine. I'm not pretending it was a masterclass. He mostly kept it simple and passed to a near team mate. Generally I like Fred a lot more when the opposition have it than when we have it because I know he is not a very talented player and I don't have expectations of him creating chances or dictating the game. His best qualities are defensive. I do object though to people claiming his passing was a big issue against Liverpool, especially when they resort to exaggerating the number of times he lost possession or ignore the context that everyone of his teammates gave it away more than he did. That's the extent of my defence of Fred.
Nope, just a realist, and for your information, I watched it from an excellent position in the South Stand. Fred should not be anywhere near a Manchester United shirt. Fred wouldn't even make it in the championship.Nothing personal but unless you watched the match on a radio you are a friggin idiot.
We are not a great passing team, but I’d put every one of our midfielders ahead of Fred in this regard.Yeah that was weird because he hit it with his right foot as well.
I still think he's the best passer in the team after Pogba. Mostly because the others are shocking
Dross might be slightly harsh but he was clearly the odd one out of the midfield and attack yesterday. Everyone else played well, he didnt. In fact you could argue he was the worst performance yesterdayNothing personal but unless you watched the match on a radio you are a friggin idiot.
Well yeah, that is kinda the point I was making.Whoever attempts to watch a match on a radio is an idiot tbf, as it's impossible to do.
Apologies, I shouldn't have said friggin idiot, clueless would have done.Nope, just a realist, and for your information, I watched it from an excellent position in the South Stand. Fred should not be anywhere near a Manchester United shirt. Fred wouldn't even make it in the championship.
Once he leaves United, you will not hear about this lad again.
PSG away?How has anyone decided he is worth 52 mio pounds. One of our worst ever signings, at least Sanchez had some good games but haven't seen that with Fred.
Its astonishing. I thought they play on beaches with deflated balls that improve your touch. Clearly Fred was developed playing with beach balls on a mountain, wearing welliesBaffled by how poor his first touch can be given he's a Brazilian international. It's a real pity because when he has the ball under control he's not awful. But teams know to press him and we'll concede chances because of it.
Still, he's getting better, so that's something. If Garner was a year older not sure how often we'd see him tbh.
It's harsh to criticise anybody after yesterday, to a man they all worked their tripe off, and the three in midfield considering their lack of experience at that level didn't let United down, the two players that Mourinho signed at some expense to control games from midfield Pogba and Matic wouldn't have fared better, in fact they would probably have got over-run.Dross might be slightly harsh but he was clearly the odd one out of the midfield and attack yesterday. Everyone else played well, he didnt. In fact you could argue he was the worst performance yesterday
Well Matic is awful, but it would be hard for Pogba to do worse than FredIt's harsh to criticise anybody after yesterday, to a man they all worked their tripe off, and the three in midfield considering their lack of experience at that level didn't let United down, the two players that Mourinho signed at some expense to control games from midfield Pogba and Matic wouldn't have fared better, in fact they would probably have got over-run.
Baffled by how poor his first touch can be given he's a Brazilian international. It's a real pity because when he has the ball under control he's not awful. But teams know to press him and we'll concede chances because of it.
Still, he's getting better, so that's something. If Garner was a year older not sure how often we'd see him tbh.
He's like a Rojo but in the midfield. He gets alot of credit for his combative nature but is far too inconsistent on the ball. For some reason he forgot how to do cross field passes yesterday whereas his younger compatriot Pereira did them with ease. And there was one point when we were breaking quickly on the counter, Rashford passed him the ball and he freaked out, ended up taking 3 touches to control it.Think he was better then usual. He did the same mistakes that he always does (lingering on the ball, poor touch, inaccurate simple passes) but he did it far less than we're used to from him.
Reckon he can get better with more play time and more confidence gained.
What, the Paul Pogba who hasn't got a clue where he is on the pitch most of the time, constantly fannies around getting caught in possession and spraying hollywood balls to everybody other then the intended target, that one?Well Matic is awful, but it would be hard for Pogba to do worse than Fred
