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I recently watched a TV conversation where Roy quite naturally in his way without contrivance put Steve 'Sack Ole' Carragher in his place with one comment - 'You never won a Premier League title'. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

The numpties criticizing him for not throwing Ole under the bus have no idea of the man and his principles.

We will never see Keano's like again. One of the greatest players of the Premier League era, a Manchester United giant.

It amuses me that some take him so personally - without his hard attitude and unique character there would have been no Roy Keane the footballer and most likely no dominant Manchester United post Cantona etc. There are also bitter people who try to underplay his skills. Juventus and other Italian clubs didn't underestimate him - they wanted him as did other clubs in Europe and the UK.

I know some have taken sides with Sir Alex but to me it's not a case of taking sides. Keano was proved right about Ferguson's unwise challenge to Magnier - you can see because of Ferguson's ego how the Glazers got control of United through Magnier and co opening the way for them.
 
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ryansgirl said:
I recently watched a TV conversation where Roy quite naturally in his way without contrivance put Steve 'Sack Ole' Carragher in his place with one comment - 'You never won a Premier League title'. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

The numpties criticizing him for not throwing Ole under the bus have no idea of the man and his principles.

We will never see Keano's like again. One of the greatest players of the Premier League era, a Manchester United giant.

It amuses me that some take him so personally - without his hard attitude and unique character there would have been no Roy Keane the footballer and most likely no dominant Manchester United post Cantona etc. There are also bitter people who try to underplay his skills. Juventus and other Italian clubs didn't underestimate him - they wanted him as did other clubs in Europe and the UK.

I know some have taken sides with Sir Alex but to me it's not a case of taking sides. Keano was proved right about Ferguson's unwise challenge to Magnier - you can see because of Ferguson's ego how the Glazers got control of United through Magnier and co opening the way for them.
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This is fairly silly and, if anything, underrates Roy Keane. The reason Roy Keane was our captain and is one of the club's greatest players is because he was good at football, not because he occasionally handicapped us by using his personal vendettas to get sent off in games or throwing strops at World Cups because he didn't like Mick McCarthy's training methods. The world is full of men with hard attitudes - what separates Roy Keane from most of them is that he was fecking great at playing football. The hardman attitude had little to do with it.
 

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For all the talk about no top midfielders in current crop of players, I think now midfielders are way more physically demanding.

I think their era it's easier to dominate the midfield than now. I bet Roy Keane would struggle too in the modern game. It's a pointless debate, but it's something they really have to consider as pundits.

Then and now it's not the same. The highest level of football now is way faster than it was back then. I didn't make this up, football scientists proven this over the years.
 

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For all the talk about no top midfielders in current crop of players, I think now midfielders are way more physically demanding.

I think their era it's easier to dominate the midfield than now. I bet Roy Keane would struggle too in the modern game. It's a pointless debate, but it's something they really have to consider as pundits.

Then and now it's not the same. The highest level of football now is way faster than it was back then. I didn't make this up, football scientists proven this over the years.
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Never gonna happen. They will never acknowledge the fitness and nutrition level has gone way up and the game is played in much higher pace. So players are more rushed and look less technichal. I dont think Keane would be top midfielder today. Same with Neville. Guys like Scholes, Beckham and Giggs would be elite still. But Keane and Neville are products of their time
 

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Why would Roy Keane struggle now? A fit Roy Keane would be as good as anyone now. It's not that he was playing in the 60s or 70s.
He was playing in the 99 and 2000s too. Some People who have played with him and against him are still playing at the very top.
 

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He softened up his tone on MNF and complemented SAF quite a few times, it’s a refreshing change.
 

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Why would Roy Keane struggle now? A fit Roy Keane would be as good as anyone now. It's not that he was playing in the 60s or 70s.
He was playing in the 99 and 2000s too. Some People who have played with him and against him are still playing at the very top.
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If he is trained the modern way like today, yes.

But if you put 1999 Keane into this modern game, that's a different story. All of this are theories, but it's debatable whether players in that era can perform now.

I took this from an article back in 2016 about that evolution of the game:


"If you are a football fan, you might have noticed that European league games have changed over the years, and that player activity in most games can vary wildly in intensity.

Sometimes there will be bouts of 10 to 15 minutes of action-packed fights for the ball with lots of goal attempts--but other times, it might feel like the players are still on half-time. Compare this to games in the 1980s where the intensity would remain more or less constant throughout the entire game.

Science can now back up that claim. A new study shows that the amount of sprinting in the English Premier League has increased by 50 per cent in ten years."

50 percent in 10 years. Now, that is back in 2016. The level of the game now certainly has more intensity than it was before.
 

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This is fairly silly and, if anything, underrates Roy Keane. The reason Roy Keane was our captain and is one of the club's greatest players is because he was good at football, not because he occasionally handicapped us by using his personal vendettas to get sent off in games or throwing strops at World Cups because he didn't like Mick McCarthy's training methods. The world is full of men with hard attitudes - what separates Roy Keane from most of them is that he was fecking great at playing football. The hardman attitude had little to do with it.
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You've misinterpreted my use of the words 'hard attitude' and then gone off on your tangent of 'personal vendettas' etc which I never mentioned. How about you just write another post in your words and put my name on it. It'd save you time.
 

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If he is trained the modern way like today, yes.

But if you put 1999 Keane into this modern game, that's a different story. All of this are theories, but it's debatable whether players in that era can perform now.

I took this from an article back in 2016 about that evolution of the game:


"If you are a football fan, you might have noticed that European league games have changed over the years, and that player activity in most games can vary wildly in intensity.

Sometimes there will be bouts of 10 to 15 minutes of action-packed fights for the ball with lots of goal attempts--but other times, it might feel like the players are still on half-time. Compare this to games in the 1980s where the intensity would remain more or less constant throughout the entire game.

Science can now back up that claim. A new study shows that the amount of sprinting in the English Premier League has increased by 50 per cent in ten years."

50 percent in 10 years. Now, that is back in 2016. The level of the game now certainly has more intensity than it was before.
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You're really stretching here. The article you quoted says how there will be times of relative inactivity now in the European games but 10 to 15 minutes of action-packed fights for the ball, and that the amount of sprinting has increased in the Premier League by 50 percent in 10 years. If that's supposed to mean Roy Keane and some other greats of another time wouldn't be able to cut it in this the second decade of 2,000, it's a weak argument. Not even an argument - an assertion.

Yes the game has changed but maybe you never watched any games of the outstanding Manchester United and other Premier League teams in the 90s and early -mid 200s. They weren't standing around and they cut other teams to ribbons with the pace of key members. But even then they had players like Cantona who weren't fast and didn't run so much. He didn't have to - he always said his father told him to make the ball do the work.

The killer pass is relatively lacking in today's football and intelligent passing to make the ball do the work will still win out over running - the fact that teams do less of it doesn't make them better. David Beckham was another relatively slow player but although he gave his all on the pitch including being all over it at times, his forte was vision and pinpoint accuracy.

Your comments about Keano just don't reflect any reality. From the time he was recruited by Nottingham Forest he was known as a box to box midfielder with a great engine. Brian Clough and Sir Alex commented on his having great stamina and ability to get around the pitch all game long with energy and focus until the end. He would be a top player today if he played for Manchester United regardless of whether he would be at the beginning or end of his twenties.
 

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meamth said:
If he is trained the modern way like today, yes.

But if you put 1999 Keane into this modern game, that's a different story. All of this are theories, but it's debatable whether players in that era can perform now.

I took this from an article back in 2016 about that evolution of the game:


"If you are a football fan, you might have noticed that European league games have changed over the years, and that player activity in most games can vary wildly in intensity.

Sometimes there will be bouts of 10 to 15 minutes of action-packed fights for the ball with lots of goal attempts--but other times, it might feel like the players are still on half-time. Compare this to games in the 1980s where the intensity would remain more or less constant throughout the entire game.

Science can now back up that claim. A new study shows that the amount of sprinting in the English Premier League has increased by 50 per cent in ten years."

50 percent in 10 years. Now, that is back in 2016. The level of the game now certainly has more intensity than it was before.
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A lot of people fail to realize this. Modern footballers are much more professional, faster, stronger, with much better tactical knowledge and technical training.

One just need to watch old games from the 80's and initial 90's and check how bad goalkeeper's positioning was. I mean, it was really bad overall.

Off course they are taking benefits from advanced sports science, better training conditions, appointing people who actually understand human physics instead of ex-players who had little useful knowledge in physical condition (most of them probably didn't even know what HIIT training routines were), and also nutrition plans who enhance your performance to the top.
 

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ryansgirl said:
You've misinterpreted my use of the words 'hard attitude' and then gone off on your tangent of 'personal vendettas' etc which I never mentioned. How about you just write another post in your words and put my name on it. It'd save you time.
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My point is that his hardman attitude had little to do with how good he was at football - the reason he was good at football was, well, his footballing ability and that he worked hard to be that good. Apologies if I've misconstrued your post - it's just I find the notion that Keane's angry persona and character to be what made him good a rather daft idea. Lots of footballers have incredible mental fortitude and hard attitudes - but the reason they don't captain top teams is down to their lack of ability compared to a player like Keane.
 

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He softened up his tone on MNF and complemented SAF quite a few times, it’s a refreshing change.
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Good to see.

With all the gloom and doom around the club, the last thing the old timer United fans who grew up in that era is to see the greatest United captain of the Fergie era badmouthing Ferguson in public.
 

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IS MANCHESTER UNITED DEAD TO YOU?

No, right? glad it isn’t, but it is going that way.

We’re an absolute shambles, a disgrace to everything that Sir Alex built here since 1986.
I’m not talking about Ole now, things are rotten to the core at this club, too many soft characters, both among the players and even more-so the staff.

I can’t help but feel we need to restart this whole club.
We have a stadium, history, our badge, training ground, tea ladies and supporters, everything else could be replaced or rearranged.

We need this man back at the club, put ego to the side for a change, for the greater cause, this is the man who can tell us how deep the rabbithole goes, and how rotten it is.
Roy will tell is how it is, no bullshite, tear it all down if he has to, cause drama to get the Glazers to feck off if he has to, offend whoever is needed to be offended.

Whatever it takes Roy.
 

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I love it when he comes out with stuff like this:


Also the youtube comment - "Roy Keane would be furious if he caught his parents hugging" :lol:
 

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ryansgirl said:
I recently watched a TV conversation where Roy quite naturally in his way without contrivance put Steve 'Sack Ole' Carragher in his place with one comment - 'You never won a Premier League title'. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

The numpties criticizing him for not throwing Ole under the bus have no idea of the man and his principles.

We will never see Keano's like again. One of the greatest players of the Premier League era, a Manchester United giant.

It amuses me that some take him so personally - without his hard attitude and unique character there would have been no Roy Keane the footballer and most likely no dominant Manchester United post Cantona etc. There are also bitter people who try to underplay his skills. Juventus and other Italian clubs didn't underestimate him - they wanted him as did other clubs in Europe and the UK.

I know some have taken sides with Sir Alex but to me it's not a case of taking sides. Keano was proved right about Ferguson's unwise challenge to Magnier - you can see because of Ferguson's ego how the Glazers got control of United through Magnier and co opening the way for them.
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Yes. I agree with all of that especially that we will never see the likes of Keane again. And that is a real shame.
He was everything that the current squad especially Pogba and Fred are not.
Totally totally committed to the team. And far more skillful than many give him credit for.
He was just outstandingly brilliant. A fantastic servant to the club.
 

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Damn when they asked him about the striker situation he looked scary. "Why you looking at me? Just buy Kane" OK Roy no problem mate.
 

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Keane is a legend that has done almost as much for United, as SAF. You don't have to agree with everything Keane says to give him his due respect.

SAF is the best coach in EPL's history but he wasn't perfect and Keane may have plenty to be upset about. Others may have chosen to handle it differently, but Keane is speaking his mind and he is a decent man so - whatever.
 

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“Hugging before a game? Leave it until afterwards. Well, not even then”. :lol:

Not at all embarrassing. It’s what made him the player he was. Most of that team had a similar attitude.
 

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Denis' cuff said:
“Hugging before a game? Leave it until afterwards. Well, not even then”. :lol:

Not at all embarrassing. It’s what made him the player he was. Most of that team had a similar attitude.
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That was the mentality he had, and we won back then.

Personally I'd like to see this Lingard generation feck off.
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IMO comparing football to war is embarrassing. If he wouldn't have said that bit it would just be funny.
 

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No, United played tough, physical, highly contested matches vs Arsenal. There was no "war" involved, just competition. You can have a chat with friends you know before a competition.
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We didn't literally go to "war" with Arsenal, I'm talking figuratively. Thought that went without saying.
 

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It was quality to be in the Stretford yesterday and hear the stretford end sing Keano wears a magic hat.
 

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Keane is a legend that has done almost as much for United, as SAF. You don't have to agree with everything Keane says to give him his due respect.

SAF is the best coach in EPL's history but he wasn't perfect and Keane may have plenty to be upset about. Others may have chosen to handle it differently, but Keane is speaking his mind and he is a decent man so - whatever.
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:lol:
 

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MackRobinson said:
IMO comparing football to war is embarrassing. If he wouldn't have said that bit it would just be funny.
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Yeah I know. I'm just saying I think it's silly to refer to sports competitions as "war". It just sounds ridiculous IMO. I'm probably in the minority.
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Think you are just being a bit pedantic.
I doubt anyone can compare the significance of a game of football to a war. However in terms of intense preparation, concentration and focus then its best to condition the mind as if it is a war to ensure maximum effort in trying to win a football match.
 

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Think you are just being a bit pedantic.
I doubt anyone can compare the significance of a game of football to a war. However in terms of intense preparation, concentration and focus then its best to condition the mind as if it is a war to ensure maximum effort in trying to win a football match.
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Admittedly I am. It's just a pet peeve of mine, although I don't know how one can condition the mind to prepare for something they have never experienced...
 

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If he is trained the modern way like today, yes.

But if you put 1999 Keane into this modern game, that's a different story. All of this are theories, but it's debatable whether players in that era can perform now.

I took this from an article back in 2016 about that evolution of the game:


"If you are a football fan, you might have noticed that European league games have changed over the years, and that player activity in most games can vary wildly in intensity.

Sometimes there will be bouts of 10 to 15 minutes of action-packed fights for the ball with lots of goal attempts--but other times, it might feel like the players are still on half-time. Compare this to games in the 1980s where the intensity would remain more or less constant throughout the entire game.

Science can now back up that claim. A new study shows that the amount of sprinting in the English Premier League has increased by 50 per cent in ten years."

50 percent in 10 years. Now, that is back in 2016. The level of the game now certainly has more intensity than it was before.
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Bullshit, If you can play football you can play football any era. You just have to get your fitness levels same as everyone else. Keane and Neville could do it anytime. It's ridiculous to say the couldn't.
 
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