Yes. That one would find it hard to do worse than 23 passes in 90 minutes. Only Rashford and James had less
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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No way, in that game we had like 20% of possession, about 3 shots on goal and couldn't get near the ball until the last 10 minutes. No signs of any midfield control, they dominated us and we were insanely lucky. So no, Fred didn't play well then.
It doesn't matter how many times he passes he had, it's already been pointed out a lot of his best work yesterday was done off the ball.
Right now our best midfield is probably Pogba-Fred-McTominay trio but can't see any of them in the sitting position in front of defence as a 6 really. That Tonali kid could be handy for our midfield.
And still less of it than Andreas who was playing right wing
Not a good start for a central midfielder in today's game when you rather have him off the ball than on it.
Why does this matter? 2nd season is when a new player is usually supposed to flourish, it's not to 'adapt' or 'settle' anymore.
He had a good game yesterday. Him and McTominay collaborated and positioned themselves well, and worked like lions. Just a couple of ball ceding mistakes.
Did he play right wing, or as an inside forward?
Did I say that?
It matters when you consider his first season that was very tumultus for the whole team.
Fred wasn't good vs Liverpool, the bar is just set very very low with him.
So when are we 'allowed' to not use it as an excuse anymore?
He played right of the front 3 and its completely irrelevant to the fact he won the ball more than Fred
One of the reasons for that was a bad transfer window where we signed him for a big fee
This. Anyone describing that as a decent performance is laughable.
If we have to hope a 26 year old can fix his touch and ball control to be a half decent player, then we have no hope!
His best work is always off the ball, it’s in the changing room making tea for everyone. Although the cost of dropped crockery is taking its toll on the OT coffers.
I don’t know what anyone gets out of defending this guy. He’s not cut out to be a footballer in a competitive league.
He hasn't been played enough to get used to PL football, I get the point the poster is making. He simply hasn't been given minutes to become accustomed to PL and its pace - I imagine (hope?) [fantasise?] that as he gets used to how quick the game is he will move the ball on more quickly and be caught in possession less, as well as his decision making improving as he becomes familiar with how his team-mates work and move.
To people who like to pick stats: when looking to a passing stat, you have to break those stats in order to make a better evaluation, otherwise is just a number. That's why seing a player live gives you a whole new perspective. Not saying Fred is a passing wizard because he's clearly subpar on it, but when analyzing the passing stats you should break it into:
- 1st base pass percentage
- 2nd base pass percentage
- 3rd or more base pass percentage
- % of through passes
- % of passes under pressure
With these indicators you can get a better assessment of a player real ability on passing. Because passing accuracy means feck all if the player only makes first or 2nd base passes.
- 1st base pass percentage
- 2nd base pass percentage
- 3rd or more base pass percentage
- % of through passes
- % of passes under pressure
With these indicators you can get a better assessment of a player real ability on passing. Because passing accuracy means feck all if the player only makes first or 2nd base passes.
Fred did ok on Sunday. You'd expect more for his fee. He's a squad player who can dig in. That's it.
Has anybody here got past 3rd base?
He's most certainly had as many good games as Sanchez did
Fred had highest pass conversion rate with 91,3% of the United players. He was 1 out of 3 players running more than 11 Km.
He had control over TAA and the Liverpool midfield with Pereira and Mctominay (who was the other two running over 11 Km this game).
I think he had a good game and just needs to get some confidence. People hating on Fred i have a question. So who would you start instead of Fred? Matic?
He had control over TAA and the Liverpool midfield with Pereira and Mctominay (who was the other two running over 11 Km this game).
I think he had a good game and just needs to get some confidence. People hating on Fred i have a question. So who would you start instead of Fred? Matic?
I don't think it's the speed he moves the ball at now so much as when he passes it straight to the opposition. He was decent defensively and shielded the ball reasonably well, I'm just baffled that a Brazilian DM can feck up even the simple passes. Still, he battled well yesterday, showed that he's at least squad player material but only if he can keep that sort of performance up.
Made a general observation.
But, for the sake of it: Would you rather have him on the ball or off it?
91% of the third least passes in the team behind 2 of our 3 forwards. Andreas made more passes.Fred had highest pass conversion rate with 91,3% of the United players. He was 1 out of 3 players running more than 11 Km.
He had control over TAA and the Liverpool midfield with Pereira and Mctominay (who was the other two running over 11 Km this game).
I think he had a good game and just needs to get some confidence. People hating on Fred i have a question. So who would you start instead of Fred? Matic?
David De Gea made more passes...
And? He still dont lose the ball alot,played the ball safe and worked hard.91% of the third least passes in the team behind 2 of our 3 forwards. Andreas made more passes.
David De Gea made more passes...
Always something to be negative about...
He did lose the ball 4 times with bad control and being tackled
How you can say he played well is beyond me. Just because he made a few interceptions doesn’t mean he played well. The boy can’t pass a football and him and Scott were the reason we were pegged back for the 2nd half
He's already decided, logic and facts wont shift him
What are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd base passes?
If he's losing the ball by being creative, that's fine. If he's not being creative but is very assured and metronomic with his control and passing, that's fine.
It's when he's not being creative and yet not assured on the ball, that's when there's a problem. Hopefully, he can find his area of expertise quickly, we need all the help in CM we can get.
It's when he's not being creative and yet not assured on the ball, that's when there's a problem. Hopefully, he can find his area of expertise quickly, we need all the help in CM we can get.
Pereira had only 4 passes more. Not sure what you're trying to show with these stats. Based on this image i'd rather have Fred with 23 passes and 91% PA than Pereira with 27 passes but only 63% PA.91% of the third least passes in the team behind 2 of our 3 forwards. Andreas made more passes.
David De Gea made more passes...
Pereira created our most chances and won the ball the most. He was playing RW
But he got on the ball more than our CM, who barely got on the ball. Everyone did except Rashford and James who were chasing after long balls. Its pretty obvious
If anything, these stats aren’t a stick to beat Fred with, the lack of passing accuracy apart from him and Maguire is truly appalling.91% of the third least passes in the team behind 2 of our 3 forwards. Andreas made more passes.
David De Gea made more passes...
1st base is the pass to the next team mate without any opposition player or own team player in between
2nd base is pass to the 2nd next team player, having either a team player or opposition player between the passing line.
3rd and above are for confident accurate passers: the ball has to travel through at least 2 players before reaching the target.
Usually any football player should be comfortable by doing 1st and 2nd base passes in almost any conditions.
What is pretty obvious? I honestly don’t get what you’re trying to show with that image?
What you were just told. He's a CM who got on the ball less than our RW and goalkeeper. If you still dont get it, you're not going to get it
Maybe if he got on the ball a tiny bit he wouldnt have high accuracy with his passing. Its easy to be accurate when you barely did anything
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