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I agree.. but that's not speculation. He's said so himself. Either way we still need a RW more than a forward. But i really can't see us buying in the winter window.
It definitely is speculation, not least because Ole contradicts himself regularly for one reason or another.
We need a right winger, but we do probably have more options there than upfront, even if they're poor options.
 

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Martial played when we lost to Palace at home.

Weird to get annoyed about fans slaughtering a manager who hasn't been good at his job more than being annoyed about the actual team results.
Martial should have had two more penalties that day and Cahill sent off against him.
 

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Bang on mate. I'm a ST holder who goes home and away, and I'm fully behind Ole. I'm more than willing to see us fall if need be, but what people outside of our particular bubble don't get is that we need this difficult period before it gets better.

Have mistakes been made? Definitely. But equally, he's done so many positive things as well. Let the idiots complain, I couldn't care less. The people who matter, the ones who put their money where their mouths are like me and you, know that it will take time, no matter who is in charge.
bang on. Any match going fans I know are fully behind him as well.
 

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I agree.. but that's not speculation. He's said so himself. Either way we still need a RW more than a forward. But i really can't see us buying in the winter window.
I'd say we need an experienced back up striker more than we need a RW now that James is proving dangerous on that side, what I liked about his early pass to Rashford was that he raised his head and did the most unexpected thing - pass instead of running, he will do well on the right but without Martial our attacking play suffers too much. For January we need a striker and a holding midfielder then, funds permitting, see about signing a No.10 and Sancho in the summer.

As for Ole I think this run of winnable matches will define how long he will stay, if he survives Christmas and he is hovering around 5th or 6th then the board have to give him Mandzukic and a holding midfielder - Fred is too inconsistent to be relied upon and Garner is a couple of seasons away. This is the only we are going to salvage the season and be able to rebuild from a position of strength in the summer.
 

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I'd say we need an experienced back up striker more than we need a RW now that James is proving dangerous on that side, what I liked about his early pass to Rashford was that he raised his head and did the most unexpected thing - pass instead of running, he will do well on the right but without Martial our attacking play suffers too much. For January we need a striker and a holding midfielder then, funds permitting, see about signing a No.10 and Sancho in the summer.

As for Ole I think this run of winnable matches will define how long he will stay, if he survives Christmas and he is hovering around 5th or 6th then the board have to give him Mandzukic and a holding midfielder - Fred is too inconsistent to be relied upon and Garner is a couple of seasons away. This is the only we are going to salvage the season and be able to rebuild from a position of strength in the summer.
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Bang on mate. I'm a ST holder who goes home and away, and I'm fully behind Ole. I'm more than willing to see us fall if need be, but what people outside of our particular bubble don't get is that we need this difficult period before it gets better.

Have mistakes been made? Definitely. But equally, he's done so many positive things as well. Let the idiots complain, I couldn't care less. The people who matter, the ones who put their money where their mouths are like me and you, know that it will take time, no matter who is in charge.
Ticket sales amount to a relatively small proportion of the club’s overall income, but don’t let that stop you chaps being pious :lol:
 

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Ticket sales amount to a relatively small proportion of the club’s overall income, but don’t let that stop you chaps being pious :lol:
Whether you like it or not, the opinions of match going fans will hold far more weight in deciding Ole’s future than what people say on football twitter or in an online forum. Most people are very aware that online posting has become little more than amplified negativity. One big competition to see who can moan the loudest and the longest.
 

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Whether you like it or not, the opinions of match going fans will hold far more weight in deciding Ole’s future than what people say on football twitter or in an online forum. Most people are very aware that online posting has become little more than amplified negativity. One big competition to see who can moan the loudest and the longest.
Match going fans have never turned on a manager but guess what we fired three already, the chosen one banner was still being displayed for Moyes when he got the sack. I don't think the Glazers put much consider what either set of fans think when making these decisions. Ultimately it will be results that determine Ole's fate just like in any other job in football.
 

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Match going fans have never turned on a manager but guess what we fired three already, the chosen one banner was still being displayed for Moyes when he got the sack. I don't think the Glazers put much consider what either set of fans think when making these decisions. Ultimately it will be results that determine Ole's fate just like in any other job in football.
Most match going fans I know were happy to see Moyes go and not bothered about Jose going either. Just because they weren't holding up banners demanding they leave or booing them at matches... it doesn't mean they wanted them to stay. The Moyes 'Chosen One' banner was organised by a small fans group at the start of the season and I am not sure that it still being fixed to the stand towards the end of the season is that indicative of how they felt. You'll notice there was no discontent about the sackings from fans in the following matches.

You would see a very different reaction from match going fans if they got rid of Ole right now.
 

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Most match going fans I know were happy to see Moyes go and not bothered about Jose going either. Just because they weren't holding up banners demanding they leave or booing them at matches... it doesn't mean they wanted them to stay. The Moyes 'Chosen One' banner was organised by a small fans group at the start of the season and I am not sure that it still being fixed to the stand towards the end of the season is that indicative of how they felt. You'll notice there was no discontent about the sackings from fans in the following matches.

You would see a very different reaction from match going fans if they got rid of Ole right now.
You will know less than 0.1% of match going fans. How is that indicative?

Also, match going fans will just get on with it if Solskjaer is sacked. There won't be some huge revolt. It will be the same as with Mourinho and Van Gaal.

You are being very naive.
 

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Pogba is leaving in January. I suspected it a while back, I've heard something to back up my suspicion and stand by my suspicion. This is cotton wool wrapping and damage limitation. The layoff will be extended until the window opens......he's made it clear he wants out.
 

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Whether you like it or not, the opinions of match going fans will hold far more weight in deciding Ole’s future than what people say on football twitter or in an online forum. Most people are very aware that online posting has become little more than amplified negativity. One big competition to see who can moan the loudest and the longest.
Honestly, I think this is becoming less and less true with the way the world is changing and how big the internet is. Online can generate an insane amount of noise now, gets harder to ignore each year.
 

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You will know less than 0.1% of match going fans. How is that indicative?

Also, match going fans will just get on with it if Solskjaer is sacked. There won't be some huge revolt. It will be the same as with Mourinho and Van Gaal.

You are being very naive.
Very much disagree. You enjoy your streaming matches and moaning online though. All the best.
 

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Pogba is leaving in January. I suspected it a while back, I've heard something to back up my suspicion and stand by my suspicion. This is cotton wool wrapping and damage limitation. The layoff will be extended until the window opens......he's made it clear he wants out.

Player wanting out - who can post whatever he wants to post on his IG account, posts rehab pictures in full MUFC gear repeatedly.
 

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Bang on mate. I'm a ST holder who goes home and away, and I'm fully behind Ole. I'm more than willing to see us fall if need be, but what people outside of our particular bubble don't get is that we need this difficult period before it gets better.

Have mistakes been made? Definitely. But equally, he's done so many positive things as well. Let the idiots complain, I couldn't care less. The people who matter, the ones who put their money where their mouths are like me and you, know that it will take time, no matter who is in charge.
100%.
No doubt this season is going to be rough, realistically we all knew that before the season began.
Everyone has been crying out to "clear the deadwood" and Solskjaer has really got stuck into that task.
Fellaini, Valencia, Lukaku, Smalling, Sanchez & Darmian have all been shipped off within his 1st year.
Matic isn't getting a look in, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if by the beginning of next season, Solskjaer hasn't removed Matic, Bailly, Rojo and Jones from the squad, possibly Young and Mata too.

For the first time in years, I feel that the club is making the right decisions, we are clearing the players that need to go, and bringing in the likes of James, Maguire and AWB. I am excited to see who the next three new signings will be.
Yes of course we have an enormous amount of work to do, and it's not always going to be plain sailing, but I do feel that we are finally heading in the right direction.
 

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Honestly, I think this is becoming less and less true with the way the world is changing and how big the internet is. Online can generate an insane amount of noise now, gets harder to ignore each year.
Let's hope for the good of football they do ignore it. For these fans to be representative, the worldwide football fanbase would have to dumb down A LOT... to the point where most football fans are clones of the Arsenal Fan TV 'rent a rant' brigade.
 

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I expect Pogba to go in the summer unless we really have a ridiculous change in fortune, but I think him leaving in January is pretty unlikely, no matter how people seemingly want to talk it into existence.
 

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Honestly, I think this is becoming less and less true with the way the world is changing and how big the internet is. Online can generate an insane amount of noise now, gets harder to ignore each year.
Except, it is. What makes more of an impact; an empty stadium, or 500k retweets of @BeijingRed4Lyf having an aneurysm cos "wi loos"?

Online is an echo chamber, and nothing more. Look at the #GlazersOut idiots who have been absolutely alienated from the matchgoing lot. They've organised how many protests now? You genuinely wouldn't be able to know cos nobody takes them seriously, cos the vast majority of them are armchair fans who likely wouldn't be able to place Manchester on a map, let alone go to Old Trafford.

Without matchgoing fans backing, any sentiments from online and social media will have about as much force as a wetwipe in the face of an atomic bomb.
 

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I expect Pogba to go in the summer unless we really have a ridiculous change in fortune, but I think him leaving in January is pretty unlikely, no matter how people seemingly want to talk it into existence.
I don't think he is even Real Madrid's biggest priority right now to pay us enough to tempt us into letting him go in January.
 

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Most match going fans I know were happy to see Moyes go and not bothered about Jose going either. Just because they weren't holding up banners demanding they leave or booing them at matches... it doesn't mean they wanted them to stay. The Moyes 'Chosen One' banner was organised by a small fans group at the start of the season and I am not sure that it still being fixed to the stand towards the end of the season is that indicative of how they felt. You'll notice there was no discontent about the sackings from fans in the following matches.

You would see a very different reaction from match going fans if they got rid of Ole right now.


I don’t believe that for one second.
 

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Except, it is. What makes more of an impact; an empty stadium, or 500k retweets of @BeijingRed4Lyf having an aneurysm cos "wi loos"?

Online is an echo chamber, and nothing more. Look at the #GlazersOut idiots who have been absolutely alienated from the matchgoing lot. They've organised how many protests now? You genuinely wouldn't be able to know cos nobody takes them seriously, cos the vast majority of them are armchair fans who likely wouldn't be able to place Manchester on a map, let alone go to Old Trafford.

Without matchgoing fans backing, any sentiments from online and social media will have about as much force as a wetwipe in the face of an atomic bomb.
Those “protests” are hilarious.
 

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I am sure there are many other things you don't believe that are also true so I wouldn't sweat it.
What, are the Old Trafford crowd going to riot if they sack OGS? Come on, it will be business as usual.
 

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Let's hope for the good of football they do ignore it. For these fans to be representative, the worldwide football fanbase would have to dumb down A LOT... to the point where most football fans are clones of the Arsenal Fan TV 'rent a rant' brigade.
We already have our equivalent the AFTV Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime squad in the United Stand. They're such an odious set of twats, that I'm actually starting to see the value in the likes of FTD, Mckola, Howson, et al
 

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What, are the Old Trafford crowd going to riot if they sack OGS? Come on, it will be business as usual.
Who said anything about riots? I said the match going fans would not react the same way if Ole were to get sacked now. In the wake of Moyes and Jose's sackings, fans were positive, happy and upbeat. If they now sacked Ole, I can guarantee there would be very vocal support in his favour as well as some very vocal attacks on the board and Ed Woodward.
 

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What, are the Old Trafford crowd going to riot if they sack OGS? Come on, it will be business as usual.
The worst they will do is sing Ole's name and that's it. I have never been to OT myself but I always get the impression that match going fans place far more importance on supporting the team than on expressing a particular displeasure. When Moyes was sacked he still had the support of the match going fans but I think a lot understood why he had to go. Results are paramount.
 

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I don’t believe that for one second.
One question do you go to the matches? If not then unfortunately anything you say is pure conjecture with regards to the feeling amongst the bums on seats.

Every poster here who is a regular match goer myself included are telling you Ole has the backing of Old Trafford and people would be pissed at Woodward if he was sacked. We can see first hand all the play not what is shown on TV and you can feel the positivity even in times where we fall short.

I really don’t mean to come across as sanctimonious so sorry if it seems that way but go to a match and see for yourself. Make your own mind up.
 

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Who said anything about riots? I said the match going fans would not react the same way if Ole were to get sacked now. In the wake of Moyes and Jose's sackings, fans were positive, happy and upbeat. If they now sacked Ole, I can guarantee there would be very vocal support in his favour as well as some very vocal attacks on the board and Ed Woodward.
«Riots» is meant metaphorically. So, they’ll chant and sing a bit?
 

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When Moyes was sacked he still had the support of the match going fans
No he didn't. Don't equate a lack of vocal dissent with support.

«Riots» is meant metaphorically. So, they’ll chant and sing a bit?
Other than vocalise their discontent with the decision and the board... something which didn't happen in the wake of Moyes and Jose being sacked, what do you expect them to do?
 

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One question do you go to the matches? If not then unfortunately anything you say is pure conjecture with regards to the feeling amongst the bums on seats.

Every poster here who is a regular match goer myself included are telling you Ole has the backing of Old Trafford and people would be pissed at Woodward if he was sacked. We can see first hand all the play not what is shown on TV and you can feel the positivity even in times where we fall short.

I really don’t mean to come across as sanctimonious so sorry if it seems that way but go to a match and see for yourself. Make your own mind up.
No, I live in Norway and I don’t prioritize going to the UK regularly.

I’m not saying the OT crowd is not backing the manager, I’m saying that there is probably not going be a huge difference in the crowd behaviour if he is sacked. I’m sure there will be songs backing him up and some anti Ed/Glazer stuff. But so much that it will affect the club and that the powers will take serious notice? I just don’t see it.
 

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No, I live in Norway and I don’t prioritize going to the UK regularly.

I’m not saying the OT crowd is not backing the manager, I’m saying that there is probably not going be a huge difference in the crowd behaviour if he is sacked. I’m sure there will be songs backing him up and some anti Ed/Glazer stuff. But so much that it will affect the club and that the powers will take serious notice? I just don’t see it.
There are many factors that the club will consider... but why would they sack a manager who clearly has the support and backing of the staff, players and fans? Hiring and firing managers is expensive business and there is no guarantee a new manager brings trophies and top 4... and then you are back to the costly business of hiring and firing again.
 
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