Youri Tielemans

amolbhatia50k · Oct 27, 2019

I don't think he's very good. Has he suddenly been playing really well or something? Because for most of the time people kept raving about him while he looked unimpressive and just about alright. Like Ruben Neves.

mark clatternburg · Oct 27, 2019

amolbhatia50k said:
I don't think he's very good. Has he suddenly been playing really well or something? Because for most of the time people kept raving about him while he looked unimpressive and just about alright. Like Ruben Neves.

He is hitting form now. The good thing for us, is that Praet is at least as good.

Suvvernmanc · Oct 27, 2019

Can play 6, 8 and #10 positions, he would have been a great addition to us. The way he transitions from defending to an number 10 is amazing. Ndidi has alot to do with that. Another top player.

Lay · Oct 27, 2019

bosnian_red said:
40m. But was still a very obvious signing to make. Said it so many times yet we let Leicester take him.. sigh.

It wasn't that obvious. He was poor at Monaco and only showed a few months of form to back up the hype he has gotten.

NotoriousISSY · Oct 27, 2019

He wouldn't be showing this kind of form playing for United under Solskjaer.

AKDevil · Oct 27, 2019

amolbhatia50k said:
I don't think he's very good. Has he suddenly been playing really well or something? Because for most of the time people kept raving about him while he looked unimpressive and just about alright. Like Ruben Neves.

Agree. He’s really not that amazing. Will be loads of midfielders around as good as him.

Litch · Oct 27, 2019

People saying he's not the signing to take us where we need to be, that's like being hungry and turning down a Big Mac as you are waiting for a steak. Sometimes you take what's on offer as you are in no position to be picky.....

sun_tzu · Oct 27, 2019

Suvvernmanc said:
Can play 6, 8 and #10 positions, he would have been a great addition to us. The way he transitions from defending to an number 10 is amazing. Ndidi has alot to do with that. Another top player.

Let's be honest Leicester have a fantastic young midfield trio in
..................ndidi.............
.....tielemans...maddison

They are all 22 I think still as well.

I think all will Probably move onto bigger clubs at some point but I also think that part of the reason they look so good at the moment is they complement each other well.

I think tielemans is the one I feel will have the best career though... As you say he is versatile and I think will develop into a really rounded player

Not sure what he would cost today but a fairly hefty increase on the 40m I think

Seaman · Oct 27, 2019

sun_tzu said:
Let's be honest Leicester have a fantastic young midfield trio in
..................ndidi.............
.....tielemans...maddison

They are all 22 I think still as well.

I think all will Probably move onto bigger clubs at some point but I also think that part of the reason they look so good at the moment is they complement each other well.

I think tielemans is the one I feel will have the best career though... As you say he is versatile and I think will develop into a really rounded player

Not sure what he would cost today but a fairly hefty increase on the 40m I think

He is actually the weakest of the 3. Both ndidi and maddison look a level above him

Suvvernmanc · Oct 27, 2019

sun_tzu said:
Let's be honest Leicester have a fantastic young midfield trio in
..................ndidi.............
.....tielemans...maddison

They are all 22 I think still as well.

I think all will Probably move onto bigger clubs at some point but I also think that part of the reason they look so good at the moment is they complement each other well.

I think tielemans is the one I feel will have the best career though... As you say he is versatile and I think will develop into a really rounded player

Not sure what he would cost today but a fairly hefty increase on the 40m I think

He would be worth a tad more I think. He wont be allowed to leave anytime soon I think.

bosnian_red · Oct 27, 2019

Lay said:
It wasn't that obvious. He was poor at Monaco and only showed a few months of form to back up the hype he has gotten.

Nah it was obvious. He was a quality young midfielder who did struggle a bit at Monaco (not exactly a stable team), went on loan to Leicester and had a great half season and was exactly the type we needed to get (at a reasonable price) while letting Pogba be the most advanced guy. It was as obvious as it gets when it comes to midfielders, yet we ignored it.

AFC NimbleThumb · Oct 27, 2019

bosnian_red said:
Nah it was obvious. He was a quality young midfielder who did struggle a bit at Monaco (not exactly a stable team), went on loan to Leicester and had a great half season and was exactly the type we needed to get (at a reasonable price) while letting Pogba be the most advanced guy. It was as obvious as it gets when it comes to midfielders, yet we ignored it.

Couldn’t agree more with a post.

The fact such a large population of the fanbase knew this was a quality signing & the club yet again doesn’t even acknowledge it while our midfield was depleted further by Herrera leaving is startling.

That_Bloke · Oct 27, 2019

Suvvernmanc said:
Can play 6, 8 and #10 positions, he would have been a great addition to us. The way he transitions from defending to an number 10 is amazing. Ndidi has alot to do with that. Another top player.

He's definitely not a 6 and we had first dibs for his transfer. No chance you'd got him this summer. In two years and if you improve then yes. If no other big club comes for him before, that is.

amolbhatia50k · Oct 27, 2019

mark clatternburg said:
He is hitting form now. The good thing for us, is that Praet is at least as good.

Which doesn't say much given Tielsman looks nothing great himself.

amolbhatia50k · Oct 27, 2019

That_Bloke said:
He's definitely not a 6 and we had first dibs for his transfer. No chance you'd got him this summer. In two years and if you improve then yes. If no other big club comes for him before, that is.

I don't think he's good enough for us to be after him. But we finished ahead of Liecester this season (and usually every season) so this one is obviously an abberation. Hence the "if you improve is weird" given he's not a player who warrants us needing to be rwach his level (just like Chelsea didn't fall below every average players level during the Mourinho meltdown season).

And we can sign players ahead of other big clubs as we have plenty of times before.

Suvvernmanc · Oct 27, 2019

That_Bloke said:
He's definitely not a 6 and we had first dibs for his transfer. No chance you'd got him this summer. In two years and if you improve then yes. If no other big club comes for him before, that is.

I didnt say he was a 6/holding midfieler. He plays as a 8 or A box to box, i know that but I was highlighting his versatility in midfield. He reads the game so well that he is almost the complete midfielder.

We could have got him last summer I think as the negotiations were with Monaco. He would have had a decision to make and I think UTD would have got him. As I stated, as if stands, there is no way Leicester let him go any time soon.

Walters_19_MuFc · Oct 27, 2019

Just noticed he was involved in another 9-0 game against San Marino a couple of weeks ago.

Champagne Football · Oct 27, 2019

Ole and Phelan clearly wanted a 6 who can pass and control thing, with McTominay and Pogba as the no. 8 and no. 10.
I don't think Tielemans was ever in their thoughts. Rice and Longstaff were our targets.
Kalvin Phillips will be a great choice if Leeds don't get promoted in the summer. Fingers crossed.

That_Bloke · Oct 27, 2019

amolbhatia50k said:
I don't think he's good enough for us to be after him. But we finished ahead of Liecester this season (and usually every season) so this one is obviously an abberation. Hence the "if you improve is weird" given he's not a player who warrants us needing to be rwach his level (just like Chelsea didn't fall below every average players level during the Mourinho meltdown season).

And we can sign players ahead of other big clubs as we have plenty of times before.

You got me wrong or rather I didn't express myself correctly. When I said that you must improve, I didn't compare you to us but to the other big clubs. Obviously this year's a one-off, the aberration being OGS kept at the helm although his results as permanent manager would've warranted him the sack in any other decent club, let alone a big club like yours. You're not going to languish in your current position a very long time, even if it will take a couple of seasons for you to be challenging for the title again.

I do think however that he'd currently walk into your starting XI and tremendously help Pogba. Your actual midfield is one of the weakest in the top 10 (when Pogba's not playing). You still wouldn't have gotten him this summer. Unlike Maguire and AWB who were PL proven, he only had a half season here. There was more incentive for him to stay with us, without unnecessary pressure under a good manager and in a team that has a reasonable shot at the top 6, rather than going to a big club in crisis with a terrible board and a manager who doesn't inspire any confidence whatsoever. He'll certainly go at some point, on that we can agree.

El Jefe · Oct 27, 2019

Champagne Football said:
Ole and Phelan clearly wanted a 6 who can pass and control thing, with McTominay and Pogba as the no. 8 and no. 10.
I don't think Tielemans was ever in their thoughts. Rice and Longstaff were our targets.
Kalvin Phillips will be a great choice if Leeds don't get promoted in the summer. Fingers crossed.

And this is my problem with Ole and his gang. These are the only two players they identified despite how terrible our options are. Three months into the season and we can compile a long list of players across Europe who are better and cheaper.

I guess Ole can add Matty Longstaff to his list though.

That_Bloke · Oct 27, 2019

Suvvernmanc said:
I didnt say he was a 6/holding midfieler. He plays as a 8 or A box to box, i know that but I was highlighting his versatility in midfield. He reads the game so well that he is almost the complete midfielder.

We could have got him last summer I think as the negotiations were with Monaco. He would have had a decision to make and I think UTD would have got him. As I stated, as if stands, there is no way Leicester let him go any time soon.

He can't play as a 6, he'd be terrible in that position but you're bang on the money for the rest. If you were more stable and had a better manager than Rodgers and really went for him, he could've thought about it twice before joining us. But as it stood, I don't think so. Furthermore your current manager is banging the "young, british, pashun" drum and was rather looking for Longstaff (I think you dodged a bullet there), so the point is moot really.

mark clatternburg · Oct 28, 2019

amolbhatia50k said:
Which doesn't say much given Tielsman looks nothing great himself.

He was outstanding last season. Started slowly this

amolbhatia50k said:
Which doesn't say much given Tielsman looks nothing great himself.

Tielemans is finding last years form after a slow start

amolbhatia50k said:
I don't think he's good enough for us to be after him. But we finished ahead of Liecester this season (and usually every season) so this one is obviously an abberation. Hence the "if you improve is weird" given he's not a player who warrants us needing to be rwach his level (just like Chelsea didn't fall below every average players level during the Mourinho meltdown season).

And we can sign players ahead of other big clubs as we have plenty of times before.

Not good enough for you? He is presently an integral part of a team lying third in the prem, and looking pretty good, without yet hitting top gear. Like Praet, he’s also part of the very highly ranked Belgium team, abd is 22 years old. I think he is definately the type of player you should be buying. I don't follow European football much, but the kouliby(?)Sancho types are not going to come to you right now. The game has changed, these lads want instant fixes, challenging for titles and playing in the champions and losers league, from the off. You need to be spotting and signing these talented young lads and moulding them with good coaching. I feel you are someway from this.

settembrini · Oct 28, 2019

Champagne Football said:
Ole and Phelan clearly wanted a 6 who can pass and control thing, with McTominay and Pogba as the no. 8 and no. 10.
I don't think Tielemans was ever in their thoughts. Rice and Longstaff were our targets.
Kalvin Phillips will be a great choice if Leeds don't get promoted in the summer. Fingers crossed.

Solskjaer didn't want Pogba as a #10. His plan was always to play him in the deeper role this season, he talked a lot in the summer about it. At #10 his first choice was Dybala but we couldn't get it done and rather than rush through a weaker signing he decided to trust Lingard and Mata, which has obviously backfired.

United have never bid for Rice. They looked at Longstaff but it would only have been as a squad player to replace Matic. When it was reported that Newcastle wanted £50m (what we paid for Wan-Bissaka, one of the best right backs in Europe last season) our interest cooled right down.

I agree with you that United didn't want Tielemans. But that's because their plan to play Pogba as one of the two deeper midfielders. You can't play both Pogba and Tielemans in a two man midfield.

amolbhatia50k · Oct 28, 2019

mark clatternburg said:
He was outstanding last season. Started slowly this

Tielemans is finding last years form after a slow start

Not good enough for you? He is presently an integral part of a team lying third in the prem, and looking pretty good, without yet hitting top gear. Like Praet, he’s also part of the very highly ranked Belgium team, abd is 22 years old. I think he is definately the type of player you should be buying. I don't follow European football much, but the kouliby(?)Sancho types are not going to come to you right now. The game has changed, these lads want instant fixes, challenging for titles and playing in the champions and losers league, from the off. You need to be spotting and signing these talented young lads and moulding them with good coaching. I feel you are someway from this.

Him being an important player only now hitting form in the 3rd placed team (after 10 games mind you) is supposed to be the definitive argument in his favour as a quality CM. In that case, his 'outstanding season' ( I'm not convinced this actually happened) should be disregarded as myth as Liecester only finished 9th in 18/19?

Point being League standings aren't always the best indicator of an individual players level. Pogba is the integral part of what was a 14th placed PL team yet Real Madrid were chasing him.

Demyanenko_square_jaw · Oct 28, 2019

I watched him a good amount at Monaco last season and he didn't show much other than the occasional good shot from the edge of the box. Monaco were obviously struggling as a whole, and that's not a complete picture of a young player, but there was nothing there to point to him being a very obvious signing. I think that sentiment comes from frustration.

it would have been a risk to sign a young player in bad form, if he didn't start well you would just have got plenty saying he was not what the club needed or that it was obvious it would happen due to his Monaco form/lesser french league etc

Botim · Oct 28, 2019

People on here are too focused on his Monaco days. This was a team in complete turmoil, flirting with relegation, firing their coach, then rehiring him after a failed vanity project with Henry.

His stats last year with Leicester were more his actual level, a goal/assist every other game is what you can expect from him. And he's regaining that consistency again this year.

In his last year at Anderlecht, he had 13 goals and 12 assists in 37 games, as a 19 year old, by the way. It's not the greatest league, obviously, but those are impressive numbers none the less.

I don't know if he would have solved our problems, but I share the frustration of many on here that we seem to miss out on so many young talents because of mismanagement (or is it stubbornness?)

Champagne Football · Dec 23, 2019

In hindsight, it was another bad decision not to bring him in over the summer. Scott McT and Fred clearly don't have the creativity to break weaker compact teams down. Watford was the type of game where you stick Fred on the bench and bring Tielemans in to add more flair. Tielemans was premier league proven, was available for peanuts, has a wicked shot on him, and desperately wanted to join us over Leicester.

Jimmy Skitz · Dec 23, 2019

Champagne Football said:
has a wicked shot on him, and desperately wanted to join us over Leicester.

if that were true he would have waited for you to come in as his agent wanted him to do, instead he told him to get the deal done

Champagne Football · Dec 23, 2019

Jimmy Skitz said:
if that were true he would have waited for you to come in as his agent wanted him to do, instead he told him to get the deal done

Im sorry to break the news to you, but he stalled for a very very long time in signing what Leicester were offering him over the summer, and all credible reports coming out of Belgium were that he was waiting to see if Man Utd came in for him, as they had contacted his agent previously and had asked to be kept informed of developments. The interest was most certainly there from Utd but my wild guess is that the board at Utd turned to Ole and told him they have spent 50 million+ on a Brazilian midfielder the previous year who has been dumped on the bench ever since, and that they'd like to see him been given a chance before signing anyone else.
As soon as Tielemans put pen to paper with Leicester, then all the nonsense in the UK media was that he only wanted Leicester all along. But the credible sources in Belgium for months had been saying that he is making Leicester wait to see if Utd come in for him, obviously because he'd have gotten a considerably bigger pay day at Old Trafford.

AFC NimbleThumb · Dec 23, 2019

Champagne Football said:
In hindsight, it was another bad decision not to bring him in over the summer. Scott McT and Fred clearly don't have the creativity to break weaker compact teams down. Watford was the type of game where you stick Fred on the bench and bring Tielemans in to add more flair. Tielemans was premier league proven, was available for peanuts, has a wicked shot on him, and desperately wanted to join us over Leicester.

No need for hindsight here, a number of fans showed foresight about this deal.

It is as stupid a decision to not have pursued m him today as it was in the summer, absolute malpractice from the board/scouts/management to focus on an £80mil defender instead of reinforcing the midfield.

Hawks2008 · Dec 23, 2019

For 40m we could have done worse, alas we only wanted Longstaff who is worse than McT or Fred.

Champagne Football · Dec 23, 2019

Hawks2008 said:
For 40m we could have done worse, alas we only wanted Longstaff who is worse than McT or Fred.

I think Longstaff will prove himself with time. He's apparently demanding to be paid on a par with Newcastle's top earners, Newcastle are having none of it, and have dumped him on the bench and the transfer speculation linking him to Utd has perhaps unsettled him a little. He hasn't been the same since his injury but he'll get there. It's unlikely he managed to be outstanding for a few months last season, only to never find a way of repeating those performances. If anything, sooner rather than later he will hit to gear again. I wouldn't say no to him at all in January as he is a specialist deep-lying defensive midfielder, who will hopefully one day control the tempo of midfield's. The kind we don't have right now.

Dante · Dec 23, 2019

Foresight has nothing to do with it. Blaming United for not signing Tielemans is typical ABU nonsense.

The player only ever wanted to sign for Leicester.

Hawks2008 · Dec 23, 2019

Champagne Football said:
I think Longstaff will prove himself with time. He's apparently demanding to be paid on a par with Newcastle's top earners, Newcastle are having none of it, and have dumped him on the bench and the transfer speculation linking him to Utd has perhaps unsettled him a little. He hasn't been the same since his injury but he'll get there. It's unlikely he managed to be outstanding for a few months last season, only to never find a way of repeating those performances. If anything, sooner rather than later he will hit to gear again. I wouldn't say no to him at all in January as he is a specialist deep-lying defensive midfielder, who will hopefully one day control the tempo of midfield's. The kind we don't have right now.

I'd rather just develop Garner to be honest, why pay for Longstaff when we a potentially very good deep lying midfielder already at the club?

I'd rather add a player coming into their prime years instead of a prospect who in all honestly wasn't even that great before his injury, would not get into our current 11, and we have a similar young talent of our own.

Rozay · Dec 23, 2019

He’s not that good tbh. Not a massive loss for United I don’t think.

DWelbz19 · Dec 23, 2019

I think he’s good but he’s definitely the last of the Leicester midfield I’d want. I don’t think there’s a huge gulf in class if he were injured/dropped and Praet took his place, say.

Rooney in Paris · Dec 23, 2019

Rozay said:
He’s not that good tbh. Not a massive loss for United I don’t think.

Yeah he's not bad but I'd find it hard to cry over not signing him

Robbie Boy · Dec 23, 2019

Hawks2008 said:
For 40m we could have done worse, alas we only wanted Longstaff who is worse than McT or Fred.

Longstaff is horrible. Thankfully we didn't pursue that option. I was just reading recently that he wanted to reclaim his starting berth at Newcastle after losing it when he returned from his suspension for a red card against Wolves. Hardly a glowing endorsement that he isn't making the Newcastle starting line-up, yet some on here have convinced themselves that he's all that.

I like Tielemens, he's basically a much better version of Fred. The thing is, he would cost insane money now and he wouldn't be worth it. Given our midfield options and what he cost, we really should have signed him during the summer.

Rozay · Dec 23, 2019

Robbie Boy said:
Longstaff is horrible. Thankfully we didn't pursue that option. I was just reading recently that he wanted to reclaim his starting berth at Newcastle after losing it when he returned from his suspension for a red card against Wolves. Hardly a glowing endorsement that he isn't making the Newcastle starting line-up, yet some on here have convinced themselves that he's all that.

I like Tielemens, he's basically a much better version of Fred. The thing is, he would cost insane money now and he wouldn't be worth it. Given our midfield options and what he cost, we really should have signed him during the summer.

Tielemans has nowhere near the same engine as Fred. And Longstaff could still become a player I think.

Ekeke · Dec 23, 2019

Robbie Boy said:
Longstaff is horrible. Thankfully we didn't pursue that option. I was just reading recently that he wanted to reclaim his starting berth at Newcastle after losing it when he returned from his suspension for a red card against Wolves. Hardly a glowing endorsement that he isn't making the Newcastle starting line-up, yet some on here have convinced themselves that he's all that.

I like Tielemens, he's basically a much better version of Fred. The thing is, he would cost insane money now and he wouldn't be worth it. Given our midfield options and what he cost, we really should have signed him during the summer.

Tielemans has Ndidi and Maddison who win the ball more than he does. Fred and McTominay both win the ball a similar amount to each other. So Fred plays a different role to Tielemans where more is expected of him defensively

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