Saudi Takeover - Claim deal done

Antisocial · Nov 1, 2019

buckooo1978 said:
hmmmm

yes I feel like they weren't really thinking long term the last couple of years.

the poor transfer budgets for 2 consecutive years offset this summer by sales
renewing contracts rather than paying fees
Brexit rumours and the devaluing of the pound
we've peaked financially for the next 2/3 years. Europa League money next financial year and probably the year after that.
whatever commercial penalties that brings with the likes of Adidas
i read the commercial side of the club had stagnated somewhat after huge growth over the last 10 years (not sure how true this is)
the Glazers have converted shares (that can be done with intention to sell? I'm not clear on this)
the reality is to get us back to where we need to be as an elite club is probably going to require 300m over the next couple of years - that's money from their asset

I just feel like the time is right for them to sell. They don't give a toss about the football so the only thing I could see persuading them to stay is a big deal around the corner like exclusive TV rights or something - I think there might be something in these rumours

I guess my scepticism is more about how much truth there is in rumours of Saudi interest rather if the Glazers would sell - we all know that the media and like-minded cnuts will write anything they can invent about United in the hope of getting attention for their crappy papers/websites/egos - a sugar daddy take-over like this at a time when we are shite seems ideal fantasy for attention-seekers, especially given the perception of the KSA in recent times.

Maybe there is some true in it, but I’m more inclined to think it’s all bollocks.

Siorac · Nov 1, 2019

Tarrou said:
agnostic probably suits you better than atheist

You can be both. Atheist means only that you have no belief in any gods. That is it. It doesn't necessarily mean you are one hundred percent sure that no gods exist or could ever exist.

An agnostic atheist would say that since such divine matters are unknowable, belief in any such supernatural entity is pointless.

kidbob · Nov 1, 2019

Alabaster Codify7 said:
Not to me no. I see both sides here. I see the fact you were pretty brutal towards religious people to begin with, but I also agree with your sentiment that hardline Saudi Islam only has one people to look after and that is hardline Saudi Islam. Even moderate regular Muslims are victimised by those 'above' them.

You put it better than I could mate. I honestly don't hate religion per se but more that it usually seems t lead to oppressing a certain section of society. Honestly my ideal is to just allow any be themselves without persecution. Probably too idealistic but the best rule of law is the one that doesn't encourage any any hate.

kouroux · Nov 1, 2019

Abizzz said:
I should have phrased that better. What I meant is that they take extraordinary offense with the idea that their belief might not be beneficial to humanity while constantly telling me that mine isn't.

Not that people aren't doing it.

It's the same thing for atheists too. The main thing is just to show respect to a person even if you fundamentally disagree with it. Humans will be humans, religious or not. There are nice people and assholes everywhere

kidbob · Nov 1, 2019

Pexbo said:
This is as succinct as I could get:

I like that one!

WR10 · Nov 1, 2019

Saudis care a whole lot more about football than Americans. Saudis also care a whole lot less about human beings than Americans.

Which one do you choose?

kouroux · Nov 1, 2019

Catt said:
I just messaged MBS on facebook so lets see what he says.

He'll tell you to visit the nearest Saudi consulate for a live chat on a secure feed

frookydinho · Nov 1, 2019

WR10 said:
Saudis care a whole lot more about football than Americans. Saudis also care a whole lot less about human beings than Americans.

Which one do you choose?

I think the people of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan etc disagree with you

fergies coat · Nov 1, 2019

WR10 said:
Saudis care a whole lot more about football than Americans. Saudis also care a whole lot less about human beings than Americans.

Which one do you choose?

Really? You mean Americans that regularly shoot up schools and invade other countries for oil?

kidbob · Nov 1, 2019

kouroux said:
It's the same thing for atheists too. The main thing is just to show respect to a person even if you fundamentally disagree with it. Humans will be humans, religious or not. There are nice people and assholes everywhere

I hate that I might have started this but this is how I feel. I'm just upset that a repressive regime might take over our club and expressed my dislike too strongly. As I said religion is ine but I hate it as a system to control people's lives just like I would hate anything being used to control someone.

Scholsey2004 · Nov 1, 2019

Siorac said:
You can be both. Atheist means only that you have no belief in any gods. That is it. It doesn't necessarily mean you are one hundred percent sure that no gods exist or could ever exist.

An agnostic atheist would say that since such divine matters are unknowable, belief in any such supernatural entity is pointless.

No, an atheist is firm in his belief that there are no god's. An agnostic is unsure/unconvinced. To be both is a contradiction.

Skåre Willoch · Nov 1, 2019

Hasawi Red said:
So guys, its been real all those years knowing u all. Been great, but i dont think i can keep posting here if my government buys the club!

i value my freedom, so dont want be posting shit here that might get me in trouble!

This post should not go unnoticed. This is really what it's all about.

Stay safe, man.

Crashoutcassius · Nov 1, 2019

MacabbiUnited said:
Manchester United are a publicly traded company, if something like that would have happen, a much mpre reliable source would have picked the story up already.

Or at the very least the stock price would have moved. Nobody believes this at all

kidbob · Nov 1, 2019

Anyway is this actually happening? :lol:

Relevated · Nov 1, 2019

WR10 said:
Saudis also care a whole lot less about human beings than Americans.

Which one do you choose?

Sorry but are you sure you dont want to take this back? The same people that regularly kill Women, children and men? Bomb hospitals? Bomb weddings? Steal resources of other countries? Not to mention the shit they get up to in their own back yard like shooting up kids in schools.

Abizzz · Nov 1, 2019

Pexbo said:
No worries, we get your point you were just a bit exuberant in your delivery. I find most religious institutions and authorities abhorrent personally and think for the most part they are exploitative of the people they lead. That doesn’t mean that I hold any bad feeling of the people who follow them and nor does it mean I pity the people who follow them or think them weak or easily manipulated. Faith isn’t something I’ve ever had but it’s daft to flippantly write off something over half the population of the world experiences

See above for my thoughts. I read a study a little while ago that found that atheists/agnostics had a stronger moral code than people from organised religions. They concluded that non-theists actually have to apply reasoning and critical thinking to ethical dilemmas and in the process learn to empathise when then consider scenarios from their own perspective. Theists on the other hand generally follow a party like without understanding or questioning the foundation of the argument.

kouroux said:
It's the same thing for atheists too. The main thing is just to show respect to a person even if you fundamentally disagree with it. Humans will be humans, religious or not. There are nice people and assholes everywhere

Agree with all of that. But equally my respect has limits when people use their religion to justify actions that harm others, and just turning the other cheek (or tolerating) isn't ethical to me when I know it is being done.

Which is why I wouldn't want this to go through.

Nick7 · Nov 1, 2019

fergies coat said:
Really? You mean Americans that regularly shoot up schools and invade other countries for oil?

Different situation as were owned by American citizens and that didn’t do that and we aren’t owned by the American government.

Relevated · Nov 1, 2019

kidbob said:
Anyway is this actually happening?

The only way this can be prevented is if you convert to a chosen religion of yours? Do you do it or do you let Manchester United be taken over by those oppressive Mozlems?

Achilles McCool · Nov 1, 2019

I don’t have the time to read the past 13 pages, so if someone could summarize this thread for me in 1 or 2 sentences, that would great. Ok? ...and I’m going to need you to come in Saturday. Great.

dwd · Nov 1, 2019

kidbob said:
Anyway is this actually happening?

Yes. Christ.

kidbob · Nov 1, 2019

Relevated said:
The only way this can be prevented is if you convert to a chosen religion of yours? Do you do it or do you let Manchester United be taken over by those oppressive Mozlems?

I sorry boys but we're doomed.

frookydinho · Nov 1, 2019

The level of hypocrisy in this thread. To all those so passionate about Saudi Arabia and all the brutal regime, do you share the same sentiments towards Israel? Do you boycott any company who donates towards the nation. They are also guilty of horrific war crimes. Are we going to be consistent? Did you attend rallies against our own former PM Tony Blair who is a war criminal when he was in charge?
The point I am making is people are very quick to point the finger to what suits the narrative. I am in no way defending the Saudis, in my eyes F**k anyone who kills the innocent. But let's be fair and consistent in our passion against the c**ts in this world

kidbob · Nov 1, 2019

Achilles McCool said:
I don’t have the time to read the past 13 pages, so if someone could summarize this thread for me in 1 or 2 sentences, that would great. Ok? ...and I’m going to need you to come in Saturday. Great.

Religion; good/bad or something

The club; I have no idea.

Abizzz · Nov 1, 2019

frookydinho said:
The level of hypocrisy in this thread. To all those so passionate about Saudi Arabia and all the brutal regime, do you share the same sentiments towards Israel? Do you boycott any company who donates towards the nation. They are also guilty of horrific war crimes. Are we going to be consistent? Did you attend rallies against our own former PM Tony Blair who is a war criminal when he was in charge?
The point I am making is people are very quick to point the finger to what suits the narrative. I am in no way defending the Saudis, in my eyes F**k anyone who kills the innocent. But let's be fair and consistent in our passion against the c**ts in this world

Sure when Tony Blair attempts to buy MUFC we'll be against that too. No Problem.

kouroux · Nov 1, 2019

kidbob said:
I hate that I might have started this but this is how I feel. I'm just upset that a repressive regime might take over our club and expressed my dislike too strongly. As I said religion is ine but I hate it as a system to control people's lives just like I would hate anything being used to control someone.

No man, talking about it is good. Honestly this sort of discussion can make us better people as long as we are willing to do it peacefully.

Personally I am religious but still I despise Saudi royalties in general, I see the consequences of the war they have waged in Yemen.

Man United and football is an escape to forget about the misery, death and destruction of Yemen (there is a big yemeni community here and as you can imagine they have directly and indirectly impacted). If the same cnuts take the reigns of my club, I am not sure how I can support it the same as before.

arthurka · Nov 1, 2019

Masskh said:
Yes we may not know What Glazer family do or about crimes they have committed but we know what Saudi have done, do not you think knowing bring responsibilities?

Of course it does but I fund their terrible state every day driving my car so I am not really in any position to point fingers.
The sad truth here is that we in the western civilization have been funding them for years and they fund us back buying our weapons and through investments ect ect. Hell we are so deep in it we went to bomb the wrong country after 9/11 and took half the world on a crazy ride even though we knew it was based on a lie. I will keep on supporting United like I have done for 3/4 of my life, I know the owners are bastards the same as I have kept on driving my car even though I know I am funding that same state.
I don't like it one bit. But I turned Vegan couple of years ago so it's not all bad.

kidbob · Nov 1, 2019

dwd said:
Yes. Christ.

As in it's happening or your sick of me?

Nick7 · Nov 1, 2019

Achilles McCool said:
I don’t have the time to read the past 13 pages, so if someone could summarize this thread for me in 1 or 2 sentences, that would great. Ok? ...and I’m going to need you to come in Saturday. Great.

3 sentences?
”Saudi royal family might be buying United”
“Oh no!”
“Oh yes!”

Achilles McCool · Nov 1, 2019

kidbob said:
Religion; good/bad or something

The club; I have no idea.

Thanks Peter

Will Singh · Nov 1, 2019

Scotty McT said:
Hoping this isn't true.

Most of the WWE staff who flew over there have been stuck in Saudi Arabia for the past day for unknown reasons, with several of them taking to Twitter to ask for prayers. Despicable country.

The punishment for being born in Saudi Arabia and not believing in Islam is death. How can anyone support these cnuts?

How can that make sense? Where did you get that information from as I’ve not heard anything like that and I know Christians who live in Saudi and they’ve never mentioned anything like this.

I’m getting the impression that there’s people who think if Saudi takes over Man Utd they will literally take over there lives and will have to abide by the “Muslamic Law”

MackRobinson · Nov 1, 2019

Achilles McCool said:
I don’t have the time to read the past 13 pages, so if someone could summarize this thread for me in 1 or 2 sentences, that would great. Ok? ...and I’m going to need you to come in Saturday. Great.

- A random bloke on Linkedin with Suadi ties claims they are buying the club
- Those who only care about United winning trophies are already defending the Saudis
- Those who don't want the Suadis are pissing their pants in fear
- (last few pages) The convo deteriorated into a boring yet predictable religious debate

I did it in 4 so I'll have to charge you extra. Just send the bill to the Lannisters... I mean Suadis. They're good for it.

coolhand1969 · Nov 1, 2019

Jews selling to Muslims, might be better off if the Vatican buys the club!

Amarsdd · Nov 1, 2019

I think people here are slightly missing the point. The problem is not the Saudi ownership, it is their motive for this ownership. Anyone who thinks it will just be a commercial venture for them is just kidding themselves. It will be a full-on propaganda play and ways to blanket over all their reported and proven reputation that people have already talked about here. United will merely be a shiny playtoy placed on the window distracting from what's happening inside. Of course, they will flood huge amounts of money in and around Manchester United, and of course, United will win trophies with it. But I don't see it being anything but hollow. Just look at City (not quite sure about how much it has worked to mask their owners reputation). Literally I haven't cared if they win or lose for the last few years now. I wanted City to win the league last season rather than Liverpool because I knew I would feel absolutely nothing about it. I do not want to feel the same about United. But I know I will if this Saudi ownership does happen (unfortunately I feel it's inevitable) and United will start being used for their own ulterior motives.

WR10 · Nov 1, 2019

frookydinho said:
I think the people of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan etc disagree with you

fergies coat said:
Really? You mean Americans that regularly shoot up schools and invade other countries for oil?

Relevated said:
Sorry but are you sure you dont want to take this back? The same people that regularly kill Women, children and men? Bomb hospitals? Bomb weddings? Steal resources of other countries? Not to mention the shit they get up to in their own back yard like shooting up kids in schools.

Fantastic. Point made. So really, does it make any difference whatsoever that we're being handed off to Saudis?

Relevated · Nov 1, 2019

Scotty McT said:
Hoping this isn't true.

Most of the WWE staff who flew over there have been stuck in Saudi Arabia for the past day for unknown reasons, with several of them taking to Twitter to ask for prayers. Despicable country.

The punishment for being born in Saudi Arabia and not believing in Islam is death. How can anyone support these cnuts?

Firstly, to address the wwe thing. Are you people legitimately okay? You actually believe they kill every non Muslim they see? Do you realise they wanted this event to happen in the first place? You people are stuck in a bubble of ignorance and you need more holidays to see how other people live.

Secondly, the punishment for being born in Saudi as a non muslim is death? Yeah, and Ole solskjaer has already changed his name to Ali Sulayman. Dont make me laugh.

Will Singh · Nov 1, 2019

WR10 said:
Saudis care a whole lot more about football than Americans. Saudis also care a whole lot less about human beings than Americans.

Which one do you choose?

Let’s choose the British government who sell Saudi bombs which are being used to kill innocent women and children.

I just don’t get why politics are being discussed on here when they won’t effect are day to day runnings of the club.

momo83 · Nov 1, 2019

Class of 63 said:
Don't want to break the giddy meter just yet but can confirm Nico Gaitan will be announced tomorrow(Saturday), the takeover on the Sunday, Wayne Rooney will get a job as a specialist fitness coach and David Moyes will take over from the retiring Fred the Red.

More later, much later

Ronaldo going to be called back from his loan

stevoc · Nov 1, 2019

Womp said:
Whilst I am on the side that doesn't want this to go through, we've lost those values already. Look at the decisions we've made post SAF. It hasn't resembled the United of old at all. We've been sacking managers, left, right and centre, we've been hiring managers who have gone against everything this club use to stand for, we've invested a feck ton of money into the team with no avail, all while still having a huge debt above our heads. People who keep chiming about this 'United way' stuff need to really assess where the club is at now and where it's trying to go.

It doesn't give a feck about the United way, it cares about money.

We did that before Ferguson, thats how he got the job in the first place. Every club sacks under performing managers.

But to be fair theres a hell of a lot of difference between sacking a failing manager and selling out to the Saudi regime.

Achilles McCool · Nov 1, 2019

MackRobinson said:
- A random bloke on Linkedin with Suadi ties claims they are buying the club
- Those who only care about United winning trophies are already defending the club
- Those who don't want the Suadis are pissing their pants in fear
- (last few pages) The convo deteriorated into a boring yet predictable religious debate

I did it in 4 so I'll have to charge you extra. Just send the bill to the Lannisters... I mean Suadis. They're good for it.

I always pay my debts.

friendlytramp · Nov 1, 2019

This could genuinely be the end of my 35 year support. Hoping it’s not true.

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