Is Emery doing a worse job than our Ole?

I feel like they splashed money on the wrong side of the pitch. They need a big signing at the back or at least a competent defender who would be fit. They have too many clowns at the back

He's a really strange manager.

He can't coach defense and plays shit football, usually when a manager has one of those handicaps they make amends for being one of the best in the other.

Not worse no. Finals of the EL and remaining in 5th is slightly better than when he took over.

Both managers are doing worse than last season, that's for sure.

I think he is. Arsenal have an array of attacking talent that a better manager would have flying. Ole has woeful options in attack by comparison. I think when you look at the quality of United's squad currently, your league position reflects said quality. Arsenal are massively under performing with the quality they have.

They are very lucky to be 5th, and I think the biggest difference is having a proper striker (or two).

kouroux said:

I feel like they splashed money on the wrong side of the pitch. They need a big signing at the back or at least a competent defender who would be fit. They have too many clowns at the back

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Yep. They knew they needed better CBs but they went for an 18 year old who they immediately sent on loan and a 32 year old David Luiz. That's a ridiculously bad attempt at problem solving.

Honestly,I think Ole would do a better job with their attacking options than their current manager.

Orc said:

I think he is. Arsenal have an array of attacking talent that a better manager would have flying. Ole has woeful options in attack by comparison. I think when you look at the quality of United's squad currently, your league position reflects said quality. Arsenal are massively under performing with the quality they have.

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Are they? I'd say 5th is about their glass ceiling versus other teams.
For starters they have an absolutely scandalous defence. Luiz, Holding and Chambers today!

Definitely. He's got Aubameyang, Lacazette, Ozil and a new winger that cost about as much as all of our forwards combined.

After refusing to play Ozil for so long, now all of a sudden Emery is afraid to drop him. For me, Ozil is the type of player you start against a team that is going to sit deep and allow you a ton of possession. In those games, Ozil can be the key that unlocks a stingy defense and he can be a very valuable asset. With that being said, against a team that is going to come at you, Ozil should never be in the starting 11. He just doesn't work hard enough when Arsenal doesn't have the ball and can go missing against the better teams. In a match like today Ozil should have been coming off the bench if Arsenal were chasing a goal. Emery aslo waited too long to introduce Pepe. He should have came on at 1-0. Instead, Emery brought him on when they were already down 2-0...

We could be a point behind them this tomorrow

Considering Emery was regarded as a pragmatic coach before he saddled up to the Emirates I'm surprised to see him be so negligent with his defence and midfield options.

His successful spell at Sevilla demonstrated his acute eye for a defensive minded player, so why has he been so poor and naive here with the Arse ?

Yes. 200%

Orc said:

I think he is. Arsenal have an array of attacking talent that a better manager would have flying. Ole has woeful options in attack by comparison. I think when you look at the quality of United's squad currently, your league position reflects said quality. Arsenal are massively under performing with the quality they have.

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You think we have the 14th best squad in the League?

Emery is doing a shit job. But called rightly so.

Ole is doing a shittier job but given dozens of excuses

They're 5th and emery is compared to ole who's at the moment 14th.

kidbob said:

You think we have the 14th best squad in the League?

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You'll likely be midtable after tomorrow which is say is a fair reflection of your quality without Pogba and no clear #1 striker.

kidbob said:

You think we have the 14th best squad in the League?

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could be 7th with a win tomorrow.. that would sound about right

Sky1981 said:

Emery is doing a shit job. But called rightly so.

Ole is doing a shittier job but given dozens of excuses

They're 5th and emery is compared to ole who's at the moment 14th.

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if united win and they are a point apart tomorrow... does your argument fall apart?

Nah their team is horridiculous, makes our lineup look good.

Yes he is. But the hatred for ole would not.let them accept that.

Crashoutcassius said:

if united win and they are a point apart tomorrow... does your argument fall apart?

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If

Sky1981 said:

Emery is doing a shit job. But called rightly so.

Ole is doing a shittier job but given dozens of excuses

They're 5th and emery is compared to ole who's at the moment 14th.

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Ole has been getting zero benefit. Don't you follow what happens when we lose. There are dozens of posts on how crap Ole is. Heck there is.also thread asking if he is the worst manager in PL. I don't know what excuse you are talking about.

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After refusing to play Ozil for so long, now all of a sudden Emery is afraid to drop him. For me, Ozil is the type of player you start against a team that is going to sit deep and allow you a ton of possession. In those games, Ozil can be the key that unlocks a stingy defense and he can be a very valuable asset. With that being said, against a team that is going to come at you, Ozil should never be in the starting 11. He just doesn't work hard enough when Arsenal doesn't have the ball and can go missing against the better teams. In a match like today Ozil should have been coming off the bench if Arsenal were chasing a goal. Emery aslo waited too long to introduce Pepe. He should have came on at 1-0. Instead, Emery brought him on when they were already down 2-0...

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There is plenty of evidence that shows that it doesn't matter whether he plays or not. They are trash regardless. At least we know he has the quality to make something happen .

I think he is. Aubameyang and to a lesser extent Lacazette have propped him up.

Tough to compare, would say both are doing equally shit job.

AshRK said:

Ole has been getting zero benefit. Don't you follow what happens when we lose. There are dozens of posts on how crap Ole is. Heck there is.also thread asking if he is the worst manager in PL. I don't know what excuse you are talking about.

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You dont know what excuses?

Ole thread is just around the corner

Sky1981 said:

You dont know what excuses?

Ole thread is just around the corner

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Yes and there are posts where majority have said he is not good enough or has not done a good job. Even those who are defending Ole are asking for one more window to see if he can turn around but majority have said he is not good enough. I have seen more excuses from.our fans for rival managers deficiencies.

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Yes and there are posts where majority have said he is not good enough or has not done a good job. Even those who are defending Ole are asking for one more window to see if he can turn around but majority have said he is not good enough. I have seen more excuses from.our fans for rival managers deficiencies.

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If this was anyone else other than ole, say moyes or jose or lvg you'd want them escorted out of carrington, not being given another window let alone 3 years

He’s a better manager than ole based on his career. However I can’t fathom how he’s managing to mess this job up so badly.

Which shit smells less smelly.

His decision-making is utterly shocking and tactically he is completely inept. Look at the way he's handled Torreira recently - against Wolves he plays him at the tip of a diamond 4-4-2 and asks him to be a high-pressing 10. Wolves have been playing 3-4-3 all season; this approach gave Wolves the entire freedom of the flanks and Torreira has no direct opposition to mark high up the pitch. Arsenal have no width in midfield and the fullbacks are completely exposed.

Today, they play Leicester, who have consistently used a 4-1-4-1 all season long. What does Emery do? He switches and plays 3-4-3 with Torreira and Guendouzi as the only midfield two. Predictably, they get completely overrun by Leicester's trio, their wing-backs get pinned back, and Leicester have huge spaces in the middle of the pitch between the lines. If Torreira is intended to play as a high-pressing 10, why the hell wouldn't you use him in this situation where he can harass Ndidi and disrupt Leicester's buildup play?

Also, Arsenal are the most clueless side in the league at building from the back - if you watch their midfielders, they are completely static and don't move themselves into positions to receive the ball and move it quickly. This tells me that Emery has done an atrocious job of instilling any sort of patterns in the players during training - either he isn't communicating effectively or he just doesn't know how to design passing moves.

His substitutions have also been nonsensical. Honestly I struggle to think of anything positive he does.

At the end of the day whoever finished above is doing a better job. The rest is just subjectivity.

Arsenal at around 5th is where I'd say they're about par. Too early to say.

The same goes for ole. If he somehow win 10 in a trot then off course the verdict changes. But it doesnt seem likely

People are pointing out the wealth of Arsenal's attack and saying he can't get them working together but our attacking situation is exactly the same: God attacking players but cannot play together.

VP89 said:

But Emery has a better squad in my opinion. He has a great attack, he has a much better midfield with Torrera, Gendouzi, and even Xakha isn't even that bad as the boos made out, he's starting to become a scapegoat to channel frustration of the fans.

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Denied. Xhaka is wank at everything apart from long shots. And he's a cnut and a shit captain to boot.

GenZRed said:

People are pointing out the wealth of Arsenal's attack and saying he can't get them working together but our attacking situation is exactly the same: God attacking players but cannot play together.

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Is it? Mata, Pereira, Lingard, good attacking players? Not to shit on them too much as they have their uses but we can't be carrying 3 no.10s who don't score any goals in a squad.

Emery was found out at PSG really, as a manager without the personality needed to tread difficult waters. He is a bit of an Alan Partridge when things go bad, he just sulks and starts making terrible faces without regaining control.

Sky1981 said:

If this was anyone else other than ole, say moyes or jose or lvg you'd want them escorted out of carrington, not being given another window let alone 3 years

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9 out of 10 of every post about Ole is about him needing to be axed so I really don't know what are you about.

Both very lucky to still have a job.