Why is unfair in quotation marks? Do you not think the media treated him unfairly?
Raheem Sterling vs Joe Gomez
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I don't understand why England chose to make this public. The FA could have invented a reason for Sterling leaving the camp. How many players withdraw from international duty for unbelievable reasons. Okay, Sterling has a bit of handbags with Gomez and you decide he should go home. Why give the world the real reason? Could easily have said he withdrew due to illness or a sore hamstring or family reasons or whatever. Maybe I'm too used to Sir Alex Ferguson? I just think this kind of stuff should stay in house.
If Sterling’s right and it was a 5-10 second thing, it probably should’ve just been kept in-house.
It’s difficult to say who was at fault without actually seeing it but given Sterling is ‘banned’ and Gomez isn’t it was likely not a 50-50 thing.
Pretty funny nonetheless.
It’s difficult to say who was at fault without actually seeing it but given Sterling is ‘banned’ and Gomez isn’t it was likely not a 50-50 thing.
Pretty funny nonetheless.
Heh, when I watched the incident on Sunday I did think how it's funny that these incidents never seem to bleed over into international settings...
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I’m only having a laugh. You fight in a particular sport?No but I’ve fought people who do whatever it takes to hurt you. They will use whatever to get an advantage to inflict pain.
So someone using their nails isn’t a laugh but I’ll bow to your expertise in watching fights
What about is wasn’t unfair?
It depends, some things stayed in house with Fergie like when Keane rendered Gabriel Heinze unconscious with a vicious hook to the jaw but the Beckham boot incident was national news.
Not really microscopic by the looks of it
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On an unrelated note - who on earth scratches cheeks after trimming nails? Is there some cultural reference I am missing here.
That scratch looks brutal.
That was because Beckham basically posed outside his house for the paparazzi. Then drove to training with the 'wound' on full display for all the photographers to get their front page images.
Its not like Sir Alex wanted the story out that he hit Beckham with a boot.
The point being that things leak so Southgate took control of the narrative here.
If that was Sterling's doing, little shit deserves bigger ban.
What kinda bitch scratches another man?
You used to post sensibly.
Quoting a Human League song “I'm only human of flesh and blood I'm made
Human, born to make mistakes”
Sterling made a mistake, he’s human, has been punished misses a game.......Time to move on from this!!
Human, born to make mistakes”
Sterling made a mistake, he’s human, has been punished misses a game.......Time to move on from this!!
It must have been so bad they had to get ahead of it. Those pics doesnt look as if they were simply pulled apart.
I think this is the FA protecting Sterling. It seems as if its being handled as one of those things but this is an English international who is getting sent home because they attacked a team mate that stemmed from a fecking club game.
Hes lucky hes only being sent home if we're being honest
That's not a scratch - that's a left hook.
I'm gonna get the Sterling England shirt.
I'm gonna get the Sterling England shirt.
Omg he looks disfigured now!
They could have dealt it with all internally and there would have clearly been benefits to doing so, but I presume they thought the rumour mill would go into overdrive and the real reason might leak out anyway. Can see why they wanted to get on the front foot with the media. Can also see why Southgate can afford to take a principled stance for a fairly meaningless game, which is unlikely to be the case come tournament time.
It being leaked also acts as a bigger deterrent for players to do something like this again.
300 messages... BORING
So I am not supposed to dislike football player?
I have no idea why you put the word unfair in quotation marks when the media's treatment of him was pretty clearly unfair.
Nancy, sissy, bitch, big girls blouse... The state of this thread.
People need to stop trying to pretend this is some broad insight into Sterling's character. That's bloody dumb. He simply saw red for a moment due to club rivalry, and has been Rightly punished for it because it was during a national team event. Nothing more. These things can and do happen to anyone
He is also the current number 1 player. So It was best to make an example of him to make this club rivalry nonsense die out in the camp for good. Not because Sterling is some A-class trouble maker or whatever dumber shit some have thought up about him
He is also the current number 1 player. So It was best to make an example of him to make this club rivalry nonsense die out in the camp for good. Not because Sterling is some A-class trouble maker or whatever dumber shit some have thought up about him
Probably Sterling thinks of Joe as a nobody, and thus took his rage to the next day and acted violently. He wouldn't have done it, had it been a John Terry or other like player. It's really bad mentality from Sterling...
During the game on Sunday, it didn't look like Joe Gomez did anything. It seemed like Sterling gave him a push on the back and Joe Gomez turned around and just pushed him back. I think for a lot of bigger players, it annoys them when a much smaller guy is starting something because they probably wouldn't do it if they weren't surrounded by others. There is no way Sterling would be able to intimidate Gomez, he looks half his size.
Southgate is spot on here. If you think otherwise, for any of the following, here's the counter argument:
"He should have sent Sterling home"
Firstly the media would make an even bigger story out of that. Secondly, Sterling would be thinking "What might Gomez be saying about me to the rest of the squad if I'm not there?". It's human nature and that thought will linger. It's better to have them both around within the group, carry on as normal, and focus on football. Sterling will undoubtedly play the second game on Sunday, and probably have a blinder.
"He should have punished both of them"
There isn't a single account of the incident that gives any reason to suspect Gomez was at fault. Why should he be punished?
"He should have kept dealt with it in-house"
Things leak. Southgate acted in response to the leak. Given the events of the weekend it would be pretty easy to put 2+2 together.
"He's our best player"
We've had equally talented players bring club rivalries into the England camp, to the detriment of everyone. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread it's impossible to overlook the cliques and club rivalries when assessing the failure of the 'golden generation'. Southgate has quashed this and sent a message that the team is the most important thing, and he has the backing of the dressing room.
"Gomez was fine with it and asked Sterling not to be punished, so why punish Sterling?"
Players don't have the luxury of dictating rules to the manager. Actions have consequences. Going back to school days, if my mate smacked me around the head in view of the headteacher but I said "don't punish him" do you think it would have meant he'd avoid detention? No chance. And if you think likening this to a schoolyard scuffle isn't a relevant analogy, then give your head a wobble and consider the immaturity shown on Sterling's part.
"He should have sent Sterling home"
Firstly the media would make an even bigger story out of that. Secondly, Sterling would be thinking "What might Gomez be saying about me to the rest of the squad if I'm not there?". It's human nature and that thought will linger. It's better to have them both around within the group, carry on as normal, and focus on football. Sterling will undoubtedly play the second game on Sunday, and probably have a blinder.
"He should have punished both of them"
There isn't a single account of the incident that gives any reason to suspect Gomez was at fault. Why should he be punished?
"He should have kept dealt with it in-house"
Things leak. Southgate acted in response to the leak. Given the events of the weekend it would be pretty easy to put 2+2 together.
"He's our best player"
We've had equally talented players bring club rivalries into the England camp, to the detriment of everyone. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread it's impossible to overlook the cliques and club rivalries when assessing the failure of the 'golden generation'. Southgate has quashed this and sent a message that the team is the most important thing, and he has the backing of the dressing room.
"Gomez was fine with it and asked Sterling not to be punished, so why punish Sterling?"
Players don't have the luxury of dictating rules to the manager. Actions have consequences. Going back to school days, if my mate smacked me around the head in view of the headteacher but I said "don't punish him" do you think it would have meant he'd avoid detention? No chance. And if you think likening this to a schoolyard scuffle isn't a relevant analogy, then give your head a wobble and consider the immaturity shown on Sterling's part.
I don't understand people saying Southgate's wrong.
Maybe a firm shake of the hands was how it was done in the past but lots of things were done in the past. If the ritual handshake is understood to put it all behind you, it lets (some) people get away with poor behaviour. They know that next time they just have to nod in a manly manner, stick out their hand and then get back to being pricks.
While the other person is made to feel guilty for not immediately putting it all behind them.
Maybe a firm shake of the hands was how it was done in the past but lots of things were done in the past. If the ritual handshake is understood to put it all behind you, it lets (some) people get away with poor behaviour. They know that next time they just have to nod in a manly manner, stick out their hand and then get back to being pricks.
While the other person is made to feel guilty for not immediately putting it all behind them.
It completely makes sense to sense to ban Gomez for a minor scuffle in a club match. You're talking rubbish.
You're in a Utd forum. Hardly a surprise it's anti Liverpool. If you're so sensitive to your precious club being criticized by their biggest rivals, you shouldn't be here mate.
Why hate him? What has he actually done wrong? Besides the gun tattoo (Which he explained, and which other players also have), what has he done so wrong that you have to hate him? Or are you believing the bullshit media who like to crucify someone/anyone? List the shit things he has done, go on I dare ya.
He's had so much bullshit media bullying that no one actually knows what he is.
And it will all start again now the manager of the national team has led the way. The media will start the bullshit stories again.
I always wondered how Alex Ferguson got away with viscously assaulting a player like that.
This is just like when they cut Xzibit's face.
Southgate has handled this situation poorly. Rio is spot on.
Sarcasm?
What's even more sickening is that the bashing of Sterling was started by his own club when he was a Liverpool player. Liverpool- his own club who are meant to be protecting him from abuse- kept leaking negative stories about him to gain leverage in contract negotiations.
The Liverpool mouth pieces like Carragher and Gerrard took turns bashing him in the media. This was all back in 2014 & 2015 when he was still a Liverpool player. They blamed him- a 20 year old kid- for "not winning trophies" for Liverpool, for "taking on Liverpool football club", for being "embarrassing", for making them feel "sick" and that Sterling "should keep his mouth shut". This was all Carragher. And then Gerrard piled on, saying that Sterling's career could go downhill and that he was the opposite of Jordan Henderson. Jordan was a "professional" but Sterling was not and a multitude of other insults.
What did Sterling actually do to get the entire club getting so personal in their insults to Sterling? He wanted to leave. That's his crime. Something many Liverpool players did. Suarez openly refused to train, was a racist towards Evra, wanted to leave, was biting opponents. Throughout all if that he had the full backing of Liverpool FC, with the entire squad including Carragher wearing a shirt with Suarez's name on the back to support his racism. Coutinho wanted to leave and was upset with the club, he even left half way through the season because he couldn't wait to pack his bags.
Sterling was a young black kid who knew what he wanted and that was something unacceptable to Liverpool FC.
Carragher corrected himself publicly a couple of times since.. And Gerrard was right. It was unproffesional from Sterling. He refused to go on preseason tour with Liverpool when he was a Liverpool player, and phoned himself in sick after that. How would you describe that?
And why has it any importance, that Sterling is black?! And what has Suarez and Coutinho to do with this? Are you suggesting it's a racism thing? Of course it wasn't.. He wanted a transfer away, and a lot of fans had a hard time dealing with it, like every set of fans would have if a young talented player wants to leave for a rival.
Why don't you tell us how the all forgiving Arsenal fans reacted when van Persie and later on Sanchez left for Man United?
If you don't like " anti Liverpool " I suggest you try to stay away from a United fans forum. From the post I read before you posted it's been asking how Gomez is in a England squad and I think that's a legitimate question