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Dalian Atkinson dies after being tasered by police
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They've now named the police officers who have been charged. Not 100% sure why.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-50410762
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-50410762
Ooh the irony....two dodgy coppers accused of murder/manslaughter concerned for their safety.
Maybe not in the UK, but this appears to be just categorically false in the US for example where officers who raise concerns about the behaviour of colleagues and unnecessary force are ostracised, moved to different precincts, thought of as a snitch instead of a hero working to make the force a better place, commit career suicide with no hope of promotion and the officers involved are routinely taken off the street, investigated, found to have done nothing wrong after bodycam footage shows them kicking a man to death or something equally bullshit and then reinstated.
I get that it's tiresome to hear the same old tropes thrown at you about your profession, but rather than deflecting and saying 'we're not all like this' which does nothing constructive than stop it being personally aimed at you which it never really was to begin with, it would be better if police said 'yes I agree with you all these people are terrible officers and we will all work tirelessly to eliminate them from our workplace' and took steps to do so.
Your agenda is boring and will end up derailing the thread. Give it a rest eh.
Who isn't saying that?
You've quoted me but removed my comments where I literally say I have no idea how it works in other parts of the world so I cant say. I know how it works in the met though and you will never ever be 'erased' for coming forward and making a complaint against a fellow officer. There's so many examples I've read and heard about since joining the met, but obviously I wont discuss them here. And like @TheReligion said, who isn't saying that? I've kinda made the point a few times that there is nothing more good coppers hate that bad coppers. I've been banging on about body worn video and the auditing that goes in, I mean if that's not all to suggest we're trying to eliminate them from the workplace I dont know what is. I ended my last post by saying coppers SHOULD get longer sentences. What more do you want me to say?
I dunno where you're from, if you're American than yeah you've got an absolute catalogue of examples of garbage and corrupt policing so maybe it's difficult for you to take these things on board but it is nothing like that in the met who are the only police force i'm referring to.
The two 'coppers'...and I use that term very loosely have now been charged, one with with murder and the other assault by the CPS. This was after being investigated by the IOPC, so there must have been something for them to go down that route. There's no smoke without fire.
Of course, other coppers will bleat on about the injustice to their colleagues who are already doing a difficult job getting accused of things like this. Despite all the so-called scrutiny in place, coppers still get away with shit and commit shit. I wonder how many bad apples are actually outed by fellow colleagues? I'm guessing the numbers are pretty low. I've learned that there are three types of people that just can't be reasoned with: 1. racists/bigots, 2. coppers and 3. gun owners. When you get all three rolled into one, you're fecked.
I just hope that if they are found guilty, they get what they deserve.
Of course, other coppers will bleat on about the injustice to their colleagues who are already doing a difficult job getting accused of things like this. Despite all the so-called scrutiny in place, coppers still get away with shit and commit shit. I wonder how many bad apples are actually outed by fellow colleagues? I'm guessing the numbers are pretty low. I've learned that there are three types of people that just can't be reasoned with: 1. racists/bigots, 2. coppers and 3. gun owners. When you get all three rolled into one, you're fecked.
I just hope that if they are found guilty, they get what they deserve.
The scum in court today to begin trial for Atkinson's death. Can't believe it's been three years already.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-murdering-Dalian-Atkinson-arrives-court.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-murdering-Dalian-Atkinson-arrives-court.html
Not much precedence for their anonymity in this case.
I guess you come under 1. Bigot by your own reckoning and cannot be reasoned with.
Whatever man. You guess away. I'm guessing you're happy with cops killing people and abusing their position so long as you're not affected.
Do any of us know the full facts of this case? Let's hear the details at the trial first, is all I'm saying.
Well, there's never smoke without a fire and the evidence must be pretty compelling for a policeman to be charged with murder in the first place. And it's not as if coppers have ever got away with blue murder before even when presented with overwhelming evidence. I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah it is highly unusual tbf. Is it trial by jury? Will be interesting to see how it pans out. A fudged verdict will cause a shitstorm.
'There's no smoke without fire'. Except when there is.
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Dalian Atkinson murder trial: Ex-footballer Tasered and kicked https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-56979521
I was just reading that evidence. It's absolutely sickening.
How is he pleading not guilty to that?
Disgusting. Kicked to the head whilst you’re down and tasered?
Absolute scum.
Fecking absolute vile scum!!!!!! Feck the police!!! 
A few rotten apples doesn’t make the whole barrel bad. Maybe they need to look at recruitment and identifying anger issues etc from cops in the job. Unfortunately because there are so many you will get a few bad unsFecking absolute vile scum!!!!!! Feck the police!!!
I know it’s wrong to tar them all with the same brush but the real worrying thing is these “few bad apples” are becoming more and more prevalent.
Or, mobile phones and technological advances means more are getting caught.
Quite sure racists use similar logic with their views
The guy is obviously an asshole and I hope he gets whats coming to him in the courts, but also PC Benjamin Monk also looks like a cross between Gollum and the brain from pinky and the brain
Thats such a dumb argument. Ethnic minorities don't apply for the role.
Oh definitely, and it’s worrying just how many are being exposed now.
Racists and logic don’t belong in the same sentence.
What are you on about? I didn't say the Police are a race.
I'm saying painting across a collective group because of bad apples is basically the same logic (or lack of) that racists use.
It’s terrible what happened to Atkinson and if he was murdered then the officer should be locked up. That said, there are 130000 police officers in the UK so it does still appear to be a tiny minority that are involved in nefarious activities.
Yeah and I'm saying your argument is dumb because there is actually a tangible thing that links all police officers and that is that they applied to be a police officer, passed the interview and still have the job just so long as they don't get caught doing something extremely scummy by a non-copper.
Is there ever a scenario police are allowed to kick someone even in the legs?
What was going through his mind there?
Kicking someone in the face regardless of what's going on is pure scum, even if it's to drunk idiots fighting on a night out!
Can't believe an officer done it
What was going through his mind there?
Kicking someone in the face regardless of what's going on is pure scum, even if it's to drunk idiots fighting on a night out!
Can't believe an officer done it
Kicking someone in the face who was already unconscious after being tasered. Unforgivable really. Good to see justice being served.
Seriously, can we stop with the few bad apples crap. Until cops start calling out corruption from within their ranks, things will never improve. It's only because of technology that they are getting exposed more and more. These types of incidents happen all the time and manage to go unnoticed.
Now listen here fella, haven’t you heard of AC12? We work to the letter of the law. The letter!
Do you think all cops are bad?
Do you think a cop would report a colleague who had abused his position of authority? That should answer your question.
I never implied they were not there by choice. You need to revisit your logic, my insinuation was never that occupation generalisation is a race. But lazy broadstroking is the same logic racists use to discriminate.
Wtf that's fecking disgusting.