Cristiano Ronaldo : The Juventus Chapter | Fin
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This year is statistically his best year for Portugal, scoring 13 goals in 9 games so far. All goals/games are from competitive matches too.
He's an alien, right? At the very least, someone not from this astral plane.
It’s almost like the opposition isn’t as good as the usual teams he plays.
He's a winner. He's honed his game to do the single most difficult thing in the game to a ridiculous degree, because he knows that ultimately goals win matches and he wants to win as many matches as possible. It is absolutely insane that people think Ronaldo "isn't good" at literally anything on a pitch. His dribbling was quite astounding, but he has become, with Messi, the most effective player in world football - ultimately, he's there to win.
Certainly he won't change his style back now he's lost a bit of pace. There is definitely merit to the argument Juventus don't play football to get the best out of him.
His international record is as crazy as his record of having 6-7 consecutive seasons with 50+ goals. Incredible.
As I was saying
Certainly didn't look like he's struggling with a knee injury yesterday. Super performance.
Tactically La Liga was the vastly superior league until 3-4 years ago. EPL matches used to look like handball games when Cristiano played for you guys. Almost zero midfield pressing, just box to box football. Players had much more space and time on the ball compared to Spain. Even Fabregas said that when he was asked on Özil's move to Arsenal.
Ronaldo has more goals in 2 games vs Lithuania this season than he has for Juve in 3-4 months.
Ronaldo is an awesome player but his success internationally is partially due to the weakness of the Euro's & World Cup qualifiers.
Ronaldo's finishing close to goal is probably the best the game has ever seen, we know this. Lewandowski though has been a better all round striker / player for the past 2 years and scored more goals in that time but doesn't get anywhere near the amount of applause, not a sniff of a Balon D'Or.
Ronaldo's finishing close to goal is probably the best the game has ever seen, we know this. Lewandowski though has been a better all round striker / player for the past 2 years and scored more goals in that time but doesn't get anywhere near the amount of applause, not a sniff of a Balon D'Or.
Its doesn't matter, he is still currently the top scorer for both Juventus and Portugal this season. In fact, he has already scored 16 goals so far this season. Messi is on 9 goals so far by the way.
That's a really interesting twist. Ronaldo fans for the past years told us that what makes him so exceptional is that he scores against the strongest teams in the most important games and now quality of opposition doesn't matter.
Worth noting that he has scored more goals for Portugal in his last 30 something games then he did in his first 100.
That also has to do with he has played in a very bad national team for 85% of his career. Now we have a lot of decent players coming through it seems.
He still does. R16 last season rings bell. I expect more of the same when the knockouts begin, after all he is the best player in CL history. His record in the Knockouts is simply insane. He has double the goals in the knockouts then anyone else.
He’s an amazing player isn’t he’s still banging in hat tricks at 34.
He's the Portuguese Memphis. Rubbish at club level, but excellent for his national team.
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You are jumping too quick into conclusion
It doesn't matter, because the season just started not long ago, long season ahead, pointless to draw any conclusion from just a few matches.
He is not scoring every game, but he still scored a good number of important goals for his team (16 goals in 19 games, with over half of them are decisive goals), and his teams (both Juventus and Portugal) are doing well so far, that's all it matters, at least for now.
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Messi has a goal every 93 miinutes and Ronaldo has a goal every 203 minutes this season according to http://messivsronaldo.net/ - that's well over twice as productive
Of course you're adding Ronaldo's international goals but while he's clocking up hattricks vs. Lithuana, Messi will be playing Brazil tonight.
Ronaldo's international record looks great on first glance but when you see that nearly a third of his goals have come in European qualifying games against Lithuana, Andorra, Latvia, Armenia, Faroe Islands and Luxembourg it's a bit unfair to compare it with players from SA. You only have to look at Lukaku and Kane's records to see that Europeans have games against much easier opposition internationally where they can pad their stats.
Alright. Why even post Ronaldo's and Messi's goals scored with zero further context then?
Its still early season, majority of Messi goals scored so far were against Celta Vigo (18th in La Liga), Levante (12th), Elba (15th) and Slavia Prague (Czech), not exactly top clubs in Europe. I am merely stating all the goals they scored this season so far in all competition (league, CL, International/Euro Qualifiers) . Anything you are not happy about?
Simply stating the facts. Relax.
More like deliberatly leaving out information, because they don't fit your agenda. Disgusting intellectual dishonesty.
You crazy bastards
Well more like you don't even get to the context before quoting. Look my previous post was direct to someone who is a known Messi fan/Ronaldo hater here, he came to Ronaldo thread, trying to be a wum and downplay Ronaldo after he has just scored a hattrick, and this is the sort of response he would have expected. And you just happened to jump in out of nowhere.
No, simply stating the facts. Relax.
Ok, fair enough
Let's move on.We were also told that Ronaldo is supposedly better because he can still make an impact and score 40 goals a season with Millwall in the PL. Yet, his struggle at Juve is blamed on their lack of quality and him not getting enough service
the same Messi who destroyed Juventus a few seasons ago, best inter this season against those same defenders?
la liga has always been a better and more competitive league than serie A this decade. You already got told in the other thread how the “much harder to score in serie a” doesn’t really stand up considering how many players have scored tons of goals there.
Immobile has 14 goals already, a washed up Lukaku with 9.
says it all really
messi missed two months of the season and nearly caught up to Ronaldo already in fairness
Yet the last SA team to win a WC was in 02. Not to mention the fact that the Euro is a tougher conception to win then the Copa.
Also either way saying that is pointless because it is known Messi is just not as good when he plays for Argentina compared to Barca and it is not for a lack of quality. If Ronaldo could do it with Postiga and Almeida and Raul Meireles then Messi should be able to do it with the likes of the Agueros and Di Maria’s of the world.
This constant attempt to devaluate anything Ronaldo does is disgusting. Messi has been blessed with the chance to compete for World cups thus the quality of players Argentina produce. Before Ronaldo Portugal had never won a major trophy. There international careers can not be compared as one is the clear winner.
For club level to each there own obviously.
Messi has been better this year so far. Granted it is still early but I call it how I see it just as I did last season.
Ronaldo to most has been sub par this season yet he still has 16 goals which says a lot about his quality.
Personally I hope to see him and Messi for at least 4 more years. Will be sad when they are both gone.
honestly, I would never ever count Ronaldo out. Even in la liga he’d have seasons where he’d start out slow then ramp it up. He’ll be fine
so are Juventus, scraping by results in CLPoor sod, do not start crying now
And if all 3 teams being letdowns still includes Madrid sucking I’m okay with it
portugal without Ronaldo has fared much better than Argentina without Messi
compare the teams records in recent years without those guys and Portugal wins by a landslide
argentina in a final would never win without Messi the way Portugal won the euro
the fact that Ronaldo doesn’t even need to score in a national final and his team still rack up the wins says it all
and I do think Ronaldo has had the better international career
Also, I’m starting to derail the thread, enjoy the season boys! Hopefully we get juve/Barca CL matchup
but then I think of Valverde and wince
but then I think of Valverde and wince
To your point about the final though it’s worth noting Portugal should have been blown out the water. If Portugal play that final 10x they win it 1x luckily for us that game was that 1x because 99% of Portugal fans will tell you we should have lost.
I am ok with it because I consider it the world coming full circle after we lost the 04 final to Greece where we were the far superior team not only in that game but in the tournament as a whole
haha fair enough man and hey, a euro is a euro no one can take that away from youTo your point about the final though it’s worth noting Portugal should have been blown out the water. If Portugal play that final 10x they win it 1x luckily for us that game was that 1x because 99% of Portugal fans will tell you we should have lost.
I am ok with it because I consider it the world coming full circle after we lost the 04 final to Greece where we were the far superior team not only in that game but in the tournament as a whole
Did he not get 30 goals last season and is on track to doing that again this season all at 34 years old? What do you think a prime Ronaldo would do?We were also told that Ronaldo is supposedly better because he can still make an impact and score 40 goals a season with Millwall in the PL. Yet, his struggle at Juve is blamed on their lack of quality and him not getting enough service
Well, to be fair, I am not trying to downplay Messi goals/performances this season at all, he did well with the number of games he has played so far. I am just trying to put everything into perspective, and to point out Ronaldo wasn't really that bad this season (after scoring 16 goals in past 3 months), when some haters are trying to downplay him here, even after he has scored a hat trick. Afterall this is a Ronaldo thread. Out of respect, I would never go to Messi thread to making similar negative statement right after he has scored a hat trick.
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