Diagonal balls to flanks

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It's a tool in our arsenal we are currently lacking and think its something we are trying to correct, the links in the summer to Longstaff and recently to Phillips indicate this.

Having this option would allow us to stretch the play and switch between flanks quickly, rather than the current short passing in midfield we currently see.
 

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Pogba is excellent at these balls to be fair. Think the issue has more been the full backs and "wingers" not making appropriate runs, rather than not having someone in midfield who's able to play them.
 

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Pogba is excellent at these balls to be fair. Think the issue has more been the full backs and "wingers" not making appropriate runs, rather than not having someone in midfield who's able to play them.
Maguire isn't bad at it.

I think the teams evolving and becoming more attacking, AWB has pushed further up in the last few games.
 

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Nope - Scott, Rashford and Pogba have it nailed down. It’s the runners that matter. Example: see goals that rashford scored from diagonals.

also, why bother with diagonal balls out to Shaw/AWB/Williams when they’re not really interested in attacking play? Better invested to pass it to our magicians feet martial
 

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Yeah, it's really important to stretch teams especially if we're looking to be able to create more dangerous opportunities against teams that sit back. Always seems to get congested very quickly through the middle and it's clearly not sustainable. I do think we have seen improvements in this area recently, maybe something to do with the introduction Williams in this setup. His style is so effective as a LB and the whole team get some balance from just that.

Pogba has the technique to switch play beautifully and when he does do it, he does it well..but it's not necessarily in his style. He is much more likely to force a creative pass like a speculative lob but we need someone to make the right decisions from the deeper position a lot more consistently.
 

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Pogba is great at this. Garner could be useful from what I've seen. It's a great way to open up defences but has to be used well. For example, Pep uses it to shift defences around and especially open up space either on the other flank or centrally, in addition to of course enabling one to attack down that flank and get a good in. However on the other hand we have often used the pass to the wide area out of a lack of a plan or genuine intent /confidence to make an impact. Moreover, what you do once you switch is important. Does the person in space carry a threat, will he combine with those around him in two-three passes to open up the opposition or do a Valencia and pass it sideways or kick it into someones shins

So yeah, it's a useful tool. But has to be done properly.
 

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Pogba is great at this. Garner could be useful from what I've seen. It's a great way to open up defences but has to be used well. For example, Pep uses it to shift defences around and especially open up space either on the other flank or centrally, in addition to of course enabling one to attack down that flank and get a good in. However on the other hand we have often used the pass to the wide area out of a lack of a plan or genuine intent /confidence to make an impact. Moreover, what you do once you switch is important. Does the person in space carry a threat, will he combine with those around him in two-three passes to open up the opposition or do a Valencia and pass it sideways or kick it into someones shins

So yeah, it's a useful tool. But has to be done properly.
In the past we lacked options on both flanks, a reason I believe Valencia was unfairly criticised. Had he been the one play was switch too, he'd have benefited from the space. Having both Rashford and James is a plus in this regard.
 

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Our fullbacks spend most of the game in line with our centrehalfs. There's rarely anyone to switch to.
 

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fecking hell. About 6 years ago, we all moaned about how the only thing Rooney could do was make a diagonal pass to the right-wing.
 

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Maguire isn't bad at it.

I think the teams evolving and becoming more attacking, AWB has pushed further up in the last few games.
Disagree to a extent. Yes he does try them but I’ve lost count how many of these passes go out of play.
 

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Erm... we really need someone on the flanks (esp the right, obvs) to receive the ball, never mind somebody to actually do something useful with it. You can have Stevie G and Rooney combined banging the ball out wide (is it a dipper thing?) but if it’s to no effect, other than posturing, what’s the point? It’s often a lazy, easy pass to make, as bad as the old familiar square pass, when what we need is actual penetration. It isn’t a necessity, simply an alternative, especially the way we are, currently. Maybe we might evolve in that direction, maybe not. Doesn’t matter in the bigger picture. We’re improving and will continue to do so. Along with some astute recruitment, Glazers and clueless bankers permitting, might even finally, come up with some penetration down the flanks to justify any diagonal balls. They’re just an optional means to an end, only effective according to what happens afterwards. Let’s sort out our wide attacking play first, like Sharpe, Giggs, Kanchelskis etc etc then it might be worthwhile.
 

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Hmm, I think we'd be better off with a player who can be incisive with his ground passing and break lines rather than someone spraying a hollywood pass every other time they touch a ball.
 

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I agree with posters above Re: it's all about the runs. Just watch the difference between Maguire's passing with England and last season at Leicester compared to this season at United. If there are quality forward runners, the passes will follow. Pogba in particular is best in such a team. That's when he starts to look like one of the best midfielders in the world. Maguire remains one of the best line breaking passers from defence around. Make the runs, the passes will follow...
 

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When done effectively they're fantastic, and you're right that we're lacking them.

Scholes was King of these, he'd take defenders out of the game when he did them. Then you have the likes of Gerrard doing them, where they're moreso just Hollywood passes.

It's the best thing you get out of a deep lying Pogba but he doesn't do it enough for me. Usually because he hangs onto the ball for too long on counter attacks and loses it.
 

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Nope - Scott, Rashford and Pogba have it nailed down. It’s the runners that matter. Example: see goals that rashford scored from diagonals.

also, why bother with diagonal balls out to Shaw/AWB/Williams when they’re not really interested in attacking play? Better invested to pass it to our magicians feet martial
Really? Have only seen him pull this off once, doesn't seem to me McTominay is a consistent enough passer to rely on this from him
Also we need more than 2/3 players who can pull of such passes, it would also be great if one of them isn't one of the players needing to receive the pass, i.e Rashford
 

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For a moment I read Dragon ball to flanks. It would be fascinating having Goku and Vegeta flying on the flanks.
 

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fecking hell. About 6 years ago, we all moaned about how the only thing Rooney could do was make a diagonal pass to the right-wing.
Rooney over did it to hide his limitations as a 10 in other areas, and none of his Hollywood diags ever led to anything because they were floated so slowly that the opposition would have time to reposition.
 

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Really? Have only seen him pull this off once, doesn't seem to me McTominay is a consistent enough passer to rely on this from him
Also we need more than 2/3 players who can pull of such passes, it would also be great if one of them isn't one of the players needing to receive the pass, i.e Rashford
He showed already under Mourinho he could do it, this season he’s done it a lot more with some success.