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Neville change of stance towards Glazers
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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He thinks we're mugs, easily led by the nose.Gary Neville said:'The idea of screaming about the Glazers every ten minutes, saying they are not good owners of Manchester United, doesn't get us anywhere. I'd love owners that pump every penny back into the club on to the pitch, that didn't take out £20 million a year, or whatever they take out in debt against the club. But I can't do anything about it.'
'Just stand there and campaign and whinge? Stand on the front of Old Trafford in front of Best, Law and Charlton with my placard up saying 'Glazers out'. I'm not going to do that because I haven't got the solution.'
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The Liverpool game was full.Really not true. I was at the Liverpool game and there was a plane flying over old Trafford before kick off with an Anti-Woodward flag. There was a protest march that went up sir Matt Busby way to the stadium with a large turnout which was documented on Twitter. I picked up a green and gold scarf from one of the many sellers outside the stadium and there were a fair few people inside with them on.
Once the game kicks off youre there to support the team and manager to get the result but to say there is no protests in and around the stadium is untrue.
Also, if I remember, the attendance was around 73,000 that day which is over 3,000 below full, and attendances have been down in general. For the Liverpool game not to be full is another sign.
The march was not well documented or attended.
The planes are embarrassing.
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And there have been "Glazer out" chants from the away fans this year.
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Some of his point is valid though. I think there needs to be a ‘moving on’ situation at United. There are too many former representatives getting involved with things. There is nothing wrong with having Sir Alex around but what is he actually doing these days, does he need to be there? At the end of the day if he isn’t benefiting the club by being in that position he shouldn’t be there, simple as that.No, he's a retired man in his 70s getting paid a pension by a business he put way more money into than he got out of. What a highly disrespectful and simplistic view of someones life work.
Going back on topic regarding the Glazers. I don’t really see why fans have issue with them. We spend money pretty much every summer, we just buy very badly. That’s down to the manager of the football club. We have paid £80m plus for 3 players in last 5 years and all of them aren’t worth the money. That’s the biggest issue at this club since Fergie retired, recruitment of players has been terrible. Until that is resolved nothing changes. People keep banging on how well Solskjaer’s signings have been but the reality is why is he spending £130m on the defence when he sells all of our midfield? We are losing games simply because the midfield is worse than most of the Premier League. Once again it’s terrible judgement by the manager on what the squad required.
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'When he sells all of our midfield'Some of his point is valid though. I think there needs to be a ‘moving on’ situation at United. There are too many former representatives getting involved with things. There is nothing wrong with having Sir Alex around but what is he actually doing these days, does he need to be there? At the end of the day if he isn’t benefiting the club by being in that position he shouldn’t be there, simple as that.
Going back on topic regarding the Glazers. I don’t really see why fans have issue with them. We spend money pretty much every summer, we just buy very badly. That’s down to the manager of the football club. We have paid £80m plus for 3 players in last 5 years and all of them aren’t worth the money. That’s the biggest issue at this club since Fergie retired, recruitment of players has been terrible. Until that is resolved nothing changes. People keep banging on how well Solskjaer’s signings have been but the reality is why is he spending £130m on the defence when he sells all of our midfield? We are losing games simply because the midfield is worse than most of the Premier League. Once again it’s terrible judgement by the manager on what the squad required.
Please explain which midfielders he has sold that would make us better than what we currently have.
We haven't paid 80 million plus on three players.
Ferguson absolutely does need and deserve to be there.
We needed massive work on our defence. All of Ole's signings have done well.
Yes you are right there was a few signs of discontent at the Scouse game, I am not sure how many participated - more aimed at Woodward than the Glazers though (although I guess it's all part of the same parcel).Really not true. I was at the Liverpool game and there was a plane flying over old Trafford before kick off with an Anti-Woodward flag. There was a protest march that went up sir Matt Busby way to the stadium with a large turnout which was documented on Twitter. I picked up a green and gold scarf from one of the many sellers outside the stadium and there were a fair few people inside with them on.
Once the game kicks off youre there to support the team and manager to get the result but to say there is no protests in and around the stadium is untrue.
Also, if I remember, the attendance was around 73,000 that day which is over 3,000 below full, and attendances have been down in general. For the Liverpool game not to be full is another sign.
But my general point was that this season the vast majority of GlazerOut stuff has been online - that's not to say that matchgoers are happy with them, absolutely not but there is a difference.
However Liverpool was a sell out and there has been no drop in attendance this season for league games
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IMO it was a major mistake not recruiting one or even two midfielders this summer. For midfielders especially it takes time to settle in the PL if we are going to buy from abroad, and if we buy from within the PL its going to be very expensive. Matic is gone next summer if not already in the January window. There is a big risk that Pogba is gone as well next summer. If that happens we face a massive, massive rebuild of our midfield next summer.'When he sells all of our midfield'
Please explain which midfielders he has sold that would make us better than what we currently have.
We haven't paid 80 million plus on three players.
Ferguson absolutely does need and deserve to be there.
We needed massive work on our defence. All of Ole's signings have done well.
I like the fact that we have gone for a transfer policy when we focus on our first choices and dont buy number five on the wanted-list if the first four is not available just to buy someone. But it was overdone in midfield this summer window. There is obviously a big chance that both Pogba and Matic are gone next summer. This "eventuality" should at least have begun being addressed last window.
Now we are facing a window nxt summer when we might have to get at least three midfielders in during one window and hope that they all settle at once. And there is no reason to believe that our three first choices will be available all at once. Or that they want to come.
Its bad planning, its what it is.
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I emphasise with Neville, I’ve also been accused of changing my stance on the Glazers.
The point I’ve made over and over is that many fans have totally unrealistic expectations. They think because we turnover £700m-odd we can spend £200m every single Summer on players, which is not the reality
I totally agree that the Glazers massively harmed the club between 2005-2010 and their decision to appoint and continue with Ed as CEO has been pretty disastrous but we’ve spent on par with almost every club in world football since 2013 so it’s hard to say lack of transfer spending is the reason we’re so poor
The point I’ve made over and over is that many fans have totally unrealistic expectations. They think because we turnover £700m-odd we can spend £200m every single Summer on players, which is not the reality
I totally agree that the Glazers massively harmed the club between 2005-2010 and their decision to appoint and continue with Ed as CEO has been pretty disastrous but we’ve spent on par with almost every club in world football since 2013 so it’s hard to say lack of transfer spending is the reason we’re so poor
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Pogba £90m'When he sells all of our midfield'
Please explain which midfielders he has sold that would make us better than what we currently have.
We haven't paid 80 million plus on three players.
Ferguson absolutely does need and deserve to be there.
We needed massive work on our defence. All of Ole's signings have done well.
Lukaku £75m plus £15m in easy add ins
Maguire £80m
3 players costing £80m plus in 5 years.
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It’s a double edged sword for them. Ole offers them a degree of protection but his status at the club far exceeds theirs with regards to former players and the fan base, therefore if things get really bad they will be in the firing line more so than Ole.Whole reason why the glazers have Ole in charge.
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There's nothing wrong with voicing a range of opinions when new information emerges. As United's fortunes change, it's fair to also change your views based on those fortunes.
The idea that Neville has to stick a black or white stance is ridiculous. It's seems to me to be a product of the internet age of debate, where participants take one extreme position or another and then never back down. That's where the whole fanboy/hater dichotomy comes from. There's no more damaging way of looking at the world (especially when it's applied to politics).
Have the Glazers done some things well? Yes. Have they done some things badly? Also, yes.
It should be seen as a good thing to be able to absorb those two converse facts and then articulate a view that covers both sides of the argument. You can't see in 3D if you always keep one eye closed. And you can never see the world as it is if you refuse to look more than once.
The idea that Neville has to stick a black or white stance is ridiculous. It's seems to me to be a product of the internet age of debate, where participants take one extreme position or another and then never back down. That's where the whole fanboy/hater dichotomy comes from. There's no more damaging way of looking at the world (especially when it's applied to politics).
Have the Glazers done some things well? Yes. Have they done some things badly? Also, yes.
It should be seen as a good thing to be able to absorb those two converse facts and then articulate a view that covers both sides of the argument. You can't see in 3D if you always keep one eye closed. And you can never see the world as it is if you refuse to look more than once.
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He might see some green shoots of recovery so it's best to see what happens but if it goes pear shaped again I'm sure he will be looking at the top once more.
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"Just stand there and campaign and whinge? Stand on the front of Old Trafford in front of Best, Law and Charlton with my placard up saying 'Glazers out'. I'm not going to do that because I haven't got the solution."He thinks we're mugs, easily led by the nose.
It's better for you to shut up then Gary if you haven't got a solution. He criticized fans of whinging while He himself whinges every week in front of cameras.
He is right in one thing that we ‘don’t have the solution’.
All we have is opinions, most of which are based on nothing but rumors and other opinions.
All we have is opinions, most of which are based on nothing but rumors and other opinions.
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Glazers have spent enough money to make us contenders we just bought the wrong players. Different coaches with short term buys to survive since our squad was so broken since Sir Alex retirement. Obertan, kagawa, Rio and Vidic were finished and their replacements never matched up to the task.... no midfielders and an ageiing striker Wayne Rooney.
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Can you expand on what the Glazers have done well? Because i'm struggling to think of a single thing in the 14 years they have been here.There's nothing wrong with voicing a range of opinions when new information emerges. As United's fortunes change, it's fair to also change your views based on those fortunes.
The idea that Neville has to stick a black or white stance is ridiculous. It's seems to me to be a product of the internet age of debate, where participants take one extreme position or another and then never back down. That's where the whole fanboy/hater dichotomy comes from. There's no more damaging way of looking at the world (especially when it's applied to politics).
Have the Glazers done some things well? Yes. Have they done some things badly? Also, yes.
It should be seen as a good thing to be able to absorb those two converse facts and then articulate a view that covers both sides of the argument. You can't see in 3D if you always keep one eye closed. And you can never see the world as it is if you refuse to look more than once.
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Most United fans I know personally were against the Glazer takeover. And I don't know a single United fan who likes the owners. Pretty much everyone agrees that they've been very underwhelming in terms of running a football operation. But "wanting them gone" isn't comparable to crying for the head of a manager or any other figure who can be booted out and replaced with someone else.I'm not going to do that because I haven't got the solution.
Effectively, "Glazers out" means you want them to sell the club. Which raises the obvious question of who you have in mind as realistic buyers. The alternatives aren't many. Saudis or another leveraged buyout. I won't be campaigning for either option myself just for the sake of "wanting them gone".
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Broke the World Record to buy Pogba.Can you expand on what the Glazers have done well? Because i'm struggling to think of a single thing in the 14 years they have been here.
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So he’s allowed to voice his opinion every week on tv and in the media. But fans have to shut up and keep their opinions to themselves and not voice it in the limited ways that we are able to?He is right in one thing that we ‘don’t have the solution’.
All we have is opinions, most of which are based on nothing but rumors and other opinions.
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Nothing wrong in what he said but that wont stop people jumping on his head.
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I don't think he said that.So he’s allowed to voice his opinion every week on tv and in the media. But fans have to shut up and keep their opinions to themselves and not voice it in the limited ways that we are able to?
He's not actually backtracking on anything here. He's actually always said he doesn't mind the Glazer ownership, his rant about the club being rotten to the core was more aimed at woodward etc. Even at the beginning of the season when he did that fans thing with Carra, he was more pro than anti glazer.
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check what I replied tooI don't think he said that.
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I never liked Gary Neville.
I never liked Gary Neville.
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Since Feb 2019 his hotel is actively in business with Man UtdHe's not actually backtracking on anything here. He's actually always said he doesn't mind the Glazer ownership, his rant about the club being rotten to the core was more aimed at woodward etc. Even at the beginning of the season when he did that fans thing with Carra, he was more pro than anti glazer.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/talking-to-gary-neville-about-the-glazers/Since Feb 2019 his hotel is actively in business with Man Utd
He’s been more pro glazer than anti for the most part.
Did I say that? Did I? Can you point that out to me please? The bit where I said that fans should shut up???So he’s allowed to voice his opinion every week on tv and in the media. But fans have to shut up and keep their opinions to themselves and not voice it in the limited ways that we are able to?
No? Ok well stop putting words in my mouth and telling me what I think!
I quoted the one bit He said I actually agreed with. You can infer from that I did not agree with much else. Personally I’m sick of Mr Nevilles opinions.
But it’s a simple fact that shouting at the Glazers probably won’t bother them, especially as they are not here most of the time!
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Indeed it is, nowt wrong with it, but the way some go on you'd think it was like Maine Road or Stamford Bridge in the 70/80's where you had to rent a hard-hat before they'd let you in the stadium.Old Trafford is fine! Why do people think it’s some shithole? It’s a lovey stadium.
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I’ll put your toys back in your pram for you.Did I say that? Did I? Can you point that out to me please? The bit where I said that fans should shut up???
No? Ok well stop putting words in my mouth and telling me what I think!
I quoted the one bit He said I actually agreed with. You can infer from that I did not agree with much else. Personally I’m sick of Mr Nevilles opinions.
But it’s a simple fact that shouting at the Glazers probably won’t bother them, especially as they are not here most of the time!
Now they’re all back in. I was just making a point based on what you said about “fans not having solutions and only opinions”.
Gary Neville spews his opinion, that’s all it is his opinion, every week on TV and in the media. Fans do it though the channels, platforms and in the way that they can.
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The Glazers debt was £400m. They've paid around £1b on servicing the debt and the debt amount is still close to how much it was when they plundered the club. Imagine how that £1b could have gone into into improving and modernising the stadium, with £750m left to do other things.Indeed it is, nowt wrong with it, but the way some go on you'd think it was like Maine Road or Stamford Bridge in the 70/80's where you had to rent a hard-hat before they'd let you in the stadium.
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Exactly. It was unnecessary and it was purely for money. I'm still waiting for a positive the Glazers have brought to the club, since taking over. It can't be marketing as it is proven that their revenues have massively gone up since the TV deals came in.The Glazers debt was £400m. They've paid around £1b on servicing the debt and the debt amount is still close to how much it was when they plundered the club. Imagine how that £1b could have gone into into improving and modernising the stadium, with £750m left to do other things.
Tifo shown how the club has regressed recently, after SAF.The club were always a pioneer in terms of marketing before Ed and Glazer . It was one of the reasons they bought us .
Shame you had to open with that kop out line about toys etc. It means I didn’t bother reading any further.I’ll put your toys back in your pram for you.
Now they’re all back in. I was just making a point based on what you said about “fans not having solutions and only opinions”.
Gary Neville spews his opinion, that’s all it is his opinion, every week on TV and in the media. Fans do it though the channels, platforms and in the way that they can.
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The curiosity of man meant that you couldn’t resist not reading the rest. The kop out is saying that you didn’t read the rest.Shame you had to open with that kop out line about toys etc. It means I didn’t bother reading any further.
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Let's not bring in facts here.http://therepublikofmancunia.com/talking-to-gary-neville-about-the-glazers/
He’s been more pro glazer than anti for the most part.
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Since Feb 2019 his hotel is actively in business with Man Utd
So when provided with facts, the argument is dropped with @macheda14 and moved on to arguing with different argument.http://therepublikofmancunia.com/talking-to-gary-neville-about-the-glazers/
He’s been more pro glazer than anti for the most part.
Would like to see when Gary Neville was ever anti Glazers.
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Talking about the Glazers, I'd rather them to spend loadsamoney to sign top top talents like Haaland & Sancho than to renovate Old Trafford. I don't want Young Trafford. Enough of Ashley Young being the club's icon.
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Well they've completely changed their approach to hiring managers and players for one thing. We might even be starting to have a footballing identity because of it now.Whole point is about the hypocrisy of Neville. Last Christmas he was calling them rotten... now his trying to shame fans into silence.
What’s changed about them? Nothing.
Don't get me wrong, f*ck the glazers but this season has been a breath of fresh air in a few respects. A Saudi oil prince might not be all roses either; money for sure but they'll be harder than Abramovich or the Qatari's to work under...