Giggs appointed new Wales manager

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As a Welsh United fan I obviously want to see Giggsy do well, but I haven't seen anything to write home about so far.

As for Croatia, while the result looks alright on paper, the game itself it was the drizzling shits. Croatia were very happy to shake hands on a point and absolutely nothing happened aside from the two goals. Our defensive strategy was to stand there and watch Lovren and Vida knock it to each other, and our attacking strategy was to hoof up it to the big lower league journeyman clogger up front and hope for the best.

As far as people treating the Wales gig as an audition for the United job, let's not forget that the last manager worked miracles and went on to get Sunderland relegated to League One. Well, that and I'm opposed on principle to having a United manager who seems to have all the personality of Michael Owen.
 

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Give it to Giggsy?
Well, this forum loves to bleat about how Real Madrid have 'standards' and fire managers quickly when results aren't good enough. Yet appointing a manager like Giggs (and Ole, for that matter) who has strong ties to the club is also a Madrid like move. In fact, the vast majority of their managers are ex-Madrid players or have been at the club previously in some capacity.

So yeah, give it to Giggsy.
 

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Poster: "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two"
Me: "Not if Slovakia win both theirs"
You: "Wouldn't put my house on Slovakia winning both"

Your post wasn't relevant to the point I was making. The fact is that Croatia, Hungary and Slovakia all have their fate in their own hands. Wales don't. Wales are relying on the result in a game they aren't participating in. Ergo the statement that "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two" isn't true.

Whether Slovakia are likely to win or not is another matter.
 

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Wales were surprisingly defensive minded at 1-1 in both of their previous games against Slovakia and Croatia.
 

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Poster: "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two"
Me: "Not if Slovakia win both theirs"
You: "Wouldn't put my house on Slovakia winning both"

Your post wasn't relevant to the point I was making. The fact is that Croatia, Hungary and Slovakia all have their fate in their own hands. Wales don't. Wales are relying on the result in a game they aren't participating in. Ergo the statement that "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two" isn't true.

Whether Slovakia are likely to win or not is another matter.
He posted if they win the last 2 they qualify, you posted not if Slovakia win their last 2 which is true. To which I said they got Croatia away though and you said that is a different and unrelated matter?
 

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Wales were surprisingly defensive minded at 1-1 in both of their previous games against Slovakia and Croatia.
They weren’t terrible results though Croatia didn’t show much in the second half, we could have had a penalty in the second half if Gareth had learned a few more of those Spanish “tricks”
 

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Wales were surprisingly defensive minded at 1-1 in both of their previous games against Slovakia and Croatia.
I really noticed this against Slovakia. Even after they went down to 10 men they sat back, rarely pressed a shaky back line with a CM at CB due to the red, and just played for the draw.
 

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He posted if they win the last 2 they qualify, you posted not if Slovakia win their last 2 which is true. To which I said they got Croatia away though and you said that is a different and unrelated matter?
You need to differentiate between facts and opinions.

Poster: "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two"

This is a statement. It's either true or false. It's false. Why? Because it doesn't factor in Slovakia, who will knock out Wales if they win their last two.

Me: "Not if Slovakia win both theirs"

This is proving that the statement "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two" is false. If Slovakia win both theirs then Wales are out even if they win their own games. This is a fact. Not an opinion.

You: "Wouldn't put my house on Slovakia winning both"

This is just an opinion. It's a totally fair opinion, I agree with it, bookies will agree with it. But it's totally unrelated to what I originally posted. I posted a fact to disprove a statement. You posted an opinion in response to a fact.

If I had posted "Slovakia will win both theirs" and you had responded with "Wouldn't put my house on Slovakia winning both" then that would have been a related matter.
 

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Poster: "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two"
Me: "Not if Slovakia win both theirs"
You: "Wouldn't put my house on Slovakia winning both"

Your post wasn't relevant to the point I was making. The fact is that Croatia, Hungary and Slovakia all have their fate in their own hands. Wales don't. Wales are relying on the result in a game they aren't participating in. Ergo the statement that "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two" isn't true.

Whether Slovakia are likely to win or not is another matter.
You need to differentiate between facts and opinions.

Poster: "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two"

This is a statement. It's either true or false. It's false. Why? Because it doesn't factor in Slovakia, who will knock out Wales if they win their last two.

Me: "Not if Slovakia win both theirs"

This is proving that the statement "Wales are automatically qualified if they win their last two" is false. If Slovakia win both theirs then Wales are out even if they win their own games. This is a fact. Not an opinion.

You: "Wouldn't put my house on Slovakia winning both"

This is just an opinion. It's a totally fair opinion, I agree with it, bookies will agree with it. But it's totally unrelated to what I originally posted. I posted a fact to disprove a statement. You posted an opinion in response to a fact.

If I had posted "Slovakia will win both theirs" and you had responded with "Wouldn't put my house on Slovakia winning both" then that would have been a related matter.
You have totally over thunked this one pal, I was only replying to your post. That’s why I found your response confusing when you said it wasn’t related.
 

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You have totally over thunked this one pal, I was only replying to your post. That’s why I found your response confusing when you said it wasn’t related.
But it wasn't related to my post. My post was simply disproving a statement. Whether Slovakia are likely to win or not wasn't my point. Whether the chances of Slovakia winning both games are 1% or 99% is irrelevant. My point was that in the event they win both they finish ahead of Wales. Your response to my post was discussing the likelihood of Slovakia winning. Those are completely different and unrelated matters.
 

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But it wasn't related to my post. My post was simply disproving a statement. Whether Slovakia are likely to win or not wasn't my point. Whether the chances of Slovakia winning both games are 1% or 99% is irrelevant. My point was that in the event they win both they finish ahead of Wales. Your response to my post was discussing the likelihood of Slovakia winning. Those are completely different and unrelated matters.
Whatever helps you sleep at night pal
 

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The way to count it is maximum pts.

If wales max points bellow slovakia then it's not on their hand, they require slovakia to lose.

Infact pts wise its in Slovakia's hand I'd say, whether they'll win 2 or not is another debate
 

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If he gets wales to qualify hell buy himself more time. Because I like giggs and dont care what happens to wales I do wanna see him get more time there. A few more years!
 

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Look at the trouble I caused:lol:

Yeah you're right if Slovaks win in Zagreb or wherever it's played but I don't see it happening as Croatia still need points to get through (might've been different if they'd won and got through last night), won away game 5-1 and I can't remember when Croatia last lost at home in a serious qualifier so it very rarely happens.

From a Welsh POV you'd be pretty confident Slovakia wouldn't beat Croatia in their home turf.

Can backfire though, I remember few years ago Scotland getting blown away by ROI beating Germany 1-0 at home which you'd never expect. Think Wales will make play offs in any case.
 

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If he wins the last two they'll qualify automatically.
So it came to pass.

He seems to take loads of stick on here for whatever reason but that's a job very well done in last six months.

Said it before but I really like how he's remodelled the defence. It would've been easy to stick with the tried and tested Coleman backline of Gunter-Williams-Neil Taylor etc (was going to say James Chester aswell but he's been injured for the last year). Instead he's shown his faith in young guys like Connor Roberts and Mepham and Wales are still pretty solid.

Doubt they'll make the semi finals next season but as long as their key players remain fit they'll be more than a making up the numbers team again. Also worth remembering he only had Ramsey available for the final two fixtures of the group and Bale wasn't playing at Madrid for half of the campaign.
 

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This was the first game he had Allen Ramsey and Bale playing in the same game.

Very good job considering how shit we started.
 

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This was the first game he had Allen Ramsey and Bale playing in the same game.

Very good job considering how shit we started.
You started with a win v Slovaks didn't you, I remember watching that. Probably draw would've been fair but that win was critical to the group placings. The wobble was mid campaign, back to back losses in Croatia and Hungary which put Wales on verge of going out. Also a scrappy win v Azerbaijan. Of course Wales haven't been hugely convincing but let's remember this is a nation that's made just two tournaments in over 60 years and also a transition between heroes of 2016 and new generation coming in.
 

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Great performance from Wales tonight. They have some really good players and should be decent in the Euros. Ramsay, Bale, Wilson, Brooks (injured at the moment), James, Ampadu - all good players. Joe Allen also plays great for them. Don't think they'll get to the Semi's again, obviously, but could get out of the group.
 

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Wales are going to be interesting next summer. Always dangerous with Bale and James on the break, Wilson a threat as well and have some quality in the middle of the park with Ramsay.
 

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He made big calls sidelining a big personality like Ashley Wiliams and fast-tracking younger players. Kieffer Moore has made a huge difference.
 

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You started with a win v Slovaks didn't you, I remember watching that. Probably draw would've been fair but that win was critical to the group placings. The wobble was mid campaign, back to back losses in Croatia and Hungary which put Wales on verge of going out. Also a scrappy win v Azerbaijan. Of course Wales haven't been hugely convincing but let's remember this is a nation that's made just two tournaments in over 60 years and also a transition between heroes of 2016 and new generation coming in.
We should’ve scored a few more vs Slovakia.

I mean we lost back to back against Croatia and Hungary which was our 2nd and 3rd games. That’s not a great start.

I think fully fit we would’ve wrapped up 2nd earlier. Still have Brooks to come back into this team too.
 

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Very big job following the euros success and come down but he's rejuvenated them well. Credit where its due, if he gets them to knockouts playing good stuff it will be a job well done and give him a good credential from his first management job
 

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Good job so far, I didn’t expect it if I’m honest. Hope Wales do well at the Euros.
 

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Fair play to Giggs. He's done well to come back from a tough position in group, albeit early on in qualifying. Doing a decent job there now. They'll be an expectation due to recent results that they get out of their Euro group so he'll have to deliver on that front fo people to really say, "job well done.".
 

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He's done well. I thought I would never see us qualify for anything and now it's happened twice.
 

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Fair play to Giggs. He's done well to come back from a tough position in group, albeit early on in qualifying. Doing a decent job there now. They'll be an expectation due to recent results that they get out of their Euro group so he'll have to deliver on that front fo people to really say, "job well done.".
He’d have to win it without conceding a goal to get people on this forum to say well done. All because he wanted to manage Man United.
 

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Giggs has done a very good job so far

I wouldn't say he's transformed the team, but he's definitely made positive changes, especially the defence. It's now on paper, a very good starting 11 with some better options off the bench than we have had for some time.

Shifting Williams/Gunter out was a big call but to progress as a nation you have to put your trust in untested/younger players at some point - Mepham in particular has impressed. The backline of Davies/Mepham/Lockyer/Roberts is looking quite solid, with Rodon and the old guard adding depth.

What I always like about us in recent years is the togetherness and how every performance, every single players puts 110% in. Joe Allen in particular plays out of his skin for Wales, you wonder why he isn't playing at a higher level when you watch him for Wales, he's outstanding. You could say the same for a lot of players, they find another level in the Welsh shirt.

Yesterday we had Harry Wilson on the bench and looked good up front, and we have Jonny Williams and David Brooks to come back.

The speed at which Dan James/Bale/Ramsey can break is impressive, we can be a real threat going forward.

It's going to be an exciting time for this bunch of players that's for sure. Giggs was massively slated by some when he got the job, and now we have qualified. Giggs has a plan and a style, and it's working which is a credit to him.
 

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I didn't think we would get qualification this time around but Giggs has turned it around. Made some bold changes and has the team playing well.

Our starting 11 is decent, particularly going forward on the break. The addition of Moore has transformed how the team is playing.

I really like James and Bale on the wings, teams like to double up on either player so having both attacking either side is a real headache for teams. We are a different side when Ramsey plays.

Special mention to Joe Allen who puts in a massive shift every game for Wales. He's been consistently excellent for the national side.
 

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He's not just done well but very well. There are some decent competition in the group, Slovakia is not any worse that they can't finish above Wales.
 

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If anyone suggest he should take over United, I will come and hunt you down!

I dislike this man so much, but I like the Wales team. Difficult situation.