I think we the midfielders that were shifted out over the past year and not being replaced, I am pretty sure that he had expected Angel to have contributed more thi season.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Daily Mail did a report on it and said he was quiet in the first half but came alive in the second. He was one of only two players to start both games in the break for England. That shows how important he is considered to be because they usually use heavy rotation in these types of breaks to give a chance to the whole squad.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...po-nets-brace-Young-Lions-claim-easy-win.html
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In other words, no particular food for the drama kings in there.
I think he is a class player and should be given a run in the 10 role, for a few games.
If there really are problems getting his contract sorted and getting him gametime, along with Chong, then Nicky Butt isnt doing a good job. A new role was created for him to help get our young players into the first team, if its not happening something is wrong
Where's the white text?
Don’t agree. Greenwood and Williams are both getting gametime, Garner too. Chong has had chances and shown little to say he’s ready.
There’s something going on with Gomes, I think he’s had his head turned
Agreed, I'd wager he's had it turned for some time too.
He’ll be another one who goes abroad for first team footie I reckon.
We will probably try to buy him back in 5 years time
To be honest there were some sporadic news about Barcelona and few other clubs sniffing around, back in a day when he was not even close to first squad.
Not sure if anyone remembers that now, but he was scouted.
He's meant to be good friends with Sancho so I reckon seeing him tearing it up for Dortmund will have had a big impact.
Whilst it's all just speculation - if United expected Gomes to stay and reach a high standard I don't necessarily think we would exactly be paying 80+ million for maddison either who would completely block his spot.
He could still compete for it but ultimately not at the end of a contract.
I reckon he is gone.
He could still compete for it but ultimately not at the end of a contract.
I reckon he is gone.
I remember when Pereira was under constant spying from PSG scouts... eventually they ended up with Herrera. Things like that can happen anytime.
That Hannibal Mejbri lad from AS Monaco was United's great hunt for young talent, but when you see Mata on decline and Lingard's recent form, you can't just let Gomes go without at least testing him.
That Hannibal Mejbri lad from AS Monaco was United's great hunt for young talent, but when you see Mata on decline and Lingard's recent form, you can't just let Gomes go without at least testing him.
Dortmund have a lot of good attacking players right now though. They usually have 1 of either Hazard, Gotze or Brandt on the bench, so getting into this team won't be easy anymore.
Not much despite us playing so badly.
Williams 2 starts in the europa league, 1 in the premier league, 1 in the league cup
Greenwood 3 starts in the europa league, 1 in the league cup and lots of sub appearances
Garner 1 start in the europa league, a few sub appearances
I dont believe thats more than other seasons where we didnt have someone appointed just to help bridge the gap between under 23s and the first team. So what effect has it had?
We seemingly have 2 players who were coming through and are considering leaving instead.
I didn't mean he'd be going to Dortmund, I just meant the general idea of him wanting to play first team football might have been inspired by Sancho leaving the nest.
Oh ok, well yeah TBH he does need it. I think sometimes our youngsters are a bit too sheltered, they're clearly skilful but proper mens football is faster and harder where they don't get that sort of time.
Gomes has shown flashes of his brilliance in the first team already, where Chong struggled to get settled. I really don't see why we kept Mata on, we should have trusted in Gomes and gave him the minutes instead. If he ends up leaving it'll be a real shame as I'm certain he's got a big future once he settles in.
There’s more youngsters getting chances now than since the LVG era. Just because Chong and Gomes have been told by others that they will get first team football elsewhere doesn’t mean that they are ready for United’s first team.
I would have liked to see Gomes get Mata’s minutes this season but that’s just my opinion. It doesn’t scream that Nicky Butt is doing a bad job. In fact the pathway is clearly open with Ole in charge so id argue someone’s been in their ear and the 2 young lads are getting ahead of themselves
I’m ambivalent to Chong anyway, I’m not convinced that he’s good enough
Exactly, and if we're talking about Butt's performance in his most recent role, he's been at it for less than four months. I'd imagine the results of his work in this role will be measured within the next few years instead of weeks or months.
Good point
Hopefully he gets some proper chances now he's back. The Europa league game will be telling.
If he’s not in the squad for the meaningless game against Astana in Kazakhstan then he’s surely probably not going to be here much longer unfortunately.
I dont know that he's good enough either, but thats part of the problem with us not seeing much of him. Mata and Lingard's minutes should certainly have been given to young players who might be able to do better than they have since the bar is low.
With LVG didnt we have McNair, Blackett and Januzaj from the youth team getting game time?
McNair had 12 league starts and some subs in 14/15, Blackett had 6 league starts and some subs same season, Januzaj had 7 league starts and some subs and we werent in european competition so they didnt get extra chances.
Seems pretty much the same as Williams, Greenwood and Garner will manage, despite Butt's role
I think you’re arguing a black cow, white
Butts only in the role a short time and we have a bunch of coaches and players that we have no inside knowledge off. How do you know that it’s not Ole holding Gomes back or that he doesn’t do enough in training? The channels for progression are clearly open no matter what invisible argument you’re trying to make.
Ole's role isnt to get under 23s in the team. That's Butt's role. What else is he doing?
You don’t see the important role that the first team manager plays in a player’s transition from under 23s to first team?
I see that a manager's job is far more than just picking the kids.
But Butt's job is to make sure he has prepared them well enough that Ole does exactly that. He doesn't have all the other things to do that Ole does.
Butt doesn't pick the first team.
He's been in plenty of squads when fit. Probably just not been able to convince Ole yet. He's a great player but likely one that will need to be eased in gradually.
He's been in plenty of squads when fit. Probably just not been able to convince Ole yet. He's a great player but likely one that will need to be eased in gradually.
For what it's worth, while he's been tidy in his first team games he hasn't played with the type of confidence that someone like Williams has. He's generally kept things very simple and safe.
If he'd took more risks in being creative he'd likely have pushed himself ahead of Mata and Lingard. He sometimes needs time to adjust to a new level. He was average enough in his first season with the u23s before kicking on again. He has plenty of time to make the grade and I expect him to assuming he signs the contract.
If he'd took more risks in being creative he'd likely have pushed himself ahead of Mata and Lingard. He sometimes needs time to adjust to a new level. He was average enough in his first season with the u23s before kicking on again. He has plenty of time to make the grade and I expect him to assuming he signs the contract.
Yes, but that's how they play for the youth teams too. It would be unlike Gomes to try to play another way. I think unlocking Gomes creative ability at the men's level is more so just him getting more comfortable with the pace of the men's level. That will allow him to hold the ball more and find the right pass or be more comfortable to play in tighter spaces.
This is the flash of his ability, the opportunity presented itself and he came up with this.
Only way those can turn more frequent is for him to play more and be able to show off his ability. He's not the player to assert himself, and if anything he could look up ending immature on the pitch.
From his pov, I can't make a case for him to sign. After such an impressive preseason, it's bizarre.
I’ve felt since Ole took over, when mentioning youngsters that Gomes has always been an after thought for some reason.
Mason, Chongey, Jimmey.......and er that small lad.
I think Oles got this one badly wrong. He’s the best of the lot for me.
I strongly suspect he has no intention in signing a new deal
He wants to do a Pogba apparently
Yeah that’s my guess
Cant blame him for not signing a contract when you arent playing but Lingard and Mata are getting minutes. If your manager has more trust in Lingard and Mata that same manager must not think you are very good.
The 'local hero' bit got me
I think we will see him a few times in the next month. Notably in the Europa League and the game against Colchester. It will be down to him to put in performances that warrant him getting a start in the premier league. He might get a bit of game time against Sheffield United off the bench this week. Who knows?
From the article it says he had a loan deal lined up in January, which was refused by Solskjær. Since then, it sounds like contract discussions haven’t been positive, and he isn’t getting game time in respect of this.
Must be said it will be very negligent of the club if Gomes and Chong end up walking on a free. Irrespective if they’ve taken chances or looked good enough thus far, that’s still two of the biggest and hyped youth talents at the club. Not the best look for all the other kids coming through.
Must be said it will be very negligent of the club if Gomes and Chong end up walking on a free. Irrespective if they’ve taken chances or looked good enough thus far, that’s still two of the biggest and hyped youth talents at the club. Not the best look for all the other kids coming through.
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