Why would we assume that Levy isn't a fool? Didn't he once appoint Santini as manager? He has been at the helm of Spurs since 2001 and there is nothing to suggest that he is great on the football side of things.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Smart money would be on us signing Poch for the summer and urge him to take a 6 month sabbatical then find a role for Ole upstairs. It's already a long shot for us to make top six so the club can use that as a reason for removing him.
Whilst he has never won anything I think this guy is the right one for a club on the rebuild like us. We have seen how he can improve young players and we have a few that could do with some guidance. It's also interesting to see what he can do with proper funding.
yea, hindsight is 20/20 for those without deep footballing knowledge. Poch is obviously in the top three managers in the world. If Liverpool hierarchy taught like United, they would have missed out on currently the best manager in football. We may be in good form, but it is a false dawn like the honeymoon period.
Ole won’t get us into champions league and past manager we have sacked will have had a better season. This moment, it is time for Pochettino to United.
Spurs took to long to sack Poch. Poch didn’t want to be there anymore after levy restricted him financially. From the players he could sign/increase wages to training equipment, Poch didn’t have the resource to further progress his sport science philosophy. Poch made a mistake of staying one more season at Spurs, but regardless the end result was inevitable. Now it is time for Poch to join United and take us back on top Of Europe.
You don't need to be a fool to make bad managerial appointments, of which Levy has had more than his fair share.
Seriously, between you and I. Are you trolling?
I like Pochettino but what makes you think that he is obviously in the top three of managers?
He even hired Harry Redknapp.
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If Pochettino was able to coach his team to break down or systematically create chances on deep sitting teams he would easily be ranked alongside Klopp and Pep. It is the one thing that has stopped Tottenham from winning the EPL at least one time during the last five seasons. And should be the main concern as for why not appointing him as a manager.
Guardiola and Klopp are far above the rest.
If Pochettino was able to coach his team to break down or systematically create chances on deep sitting teams he would easily be ranked alongside Klopp and Pep. It is the one thing that has stopped Tottenham from winning the EPL at least one time during the last five seasons. And should be the main concern as for why not appointing him as a manager.
It is not only me that thinks that. Is is through the majority consensus from FIFA that agrees with this statement. Pochettino is one of the top three managers in the world. His achievements with Spurs, only a few managers could do that. Klopp and Sir Alex, with some few other exceptional managers included in this list. The list is very short
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Better to use Tim Sherwood as an example.
So you are trolling. Next you are going to argue that Van dijk is a better player than Ronaldo.
He's injected the KoolAid straight into his veins. All of it.
Mate forget Poch for awhile and lets talk about Zlatko Dalic, the third best coach in the world only last year. Prior to taking Croatia to their first ever WC final, the man had worked wonders at Al Hilal and Al Ain. He's like a Poch, but with lots of trophies.
Different clubs need different things. Mourinho has always been more suited to not quite the biggest clubs. The biggest clubs have histories of success and attractive football and everything else. Smaller clubs dont have the same pressure of needing to win with attractive football. Just winning would be great.
United since Sir Alex retired has still won trophies, but we've been shit to watch. Mourinho coming and winning a few cups while being shit to watch doesn't really do much. For Spurs on the other hand, they haven't won the league in 59 years, FA Cup in 29 years, UEFA Cup in 36 years, never won the CL, community shield in 28 years, and league cup in 12 years. They won the league cup in 1999 and in 2008. Last trophy before that was FA Cup in 1991. Someone like Mourinho is exactly what they need. They shouldnt care about playing a fancy style of play or winning ugly. They just need to learn how to win. Uniteds really not in that desperation phase of needing a win ugly manager, takes a long time of winning nothing at all to get there.
Van Dijk is the best footballer for his role. His impact on Liverpool was undeniable. Ronaldo is a better attacker, Van Dijk is a better defender. His success with Liverpool has deservingly given him the ballon d’or.
Answer the question, is Van Dijk a better footballer than Ronaldo. Yes or no? And Van Dijk has not won the Ballon D'or but he finished above Ronadlo at the fifa player of the year award and behind Messi.
Honestly no point of this thread after such post. Good job from you bringing this. People don't want to learn from their mistakes.
Just see the posts. Someone asking if Klopp had won multiple league titles and CL to be compared with Pep, Mourinho and LVG. You can remove Klopp name and put Poch and the discussion will look similar. Crazy.
Yeah no.
Comparison with Klopp at Dortmund is pretty strange one.
Also nobody is mentioning Poch poor record vs top 6 sides.
Also nobody is mentioning Poch poor record vs top 6 sides.
We will do what we always do (since 2013).
Back current manager until it is untenable. Then desperately recruit whoever is available just after it happens with no foresight. No doubt we will miss out on Poch. Then probably sack Ole next Summer anyway. With no succession plan.
Back current manager until it is untenable. Then desperately recruit whoever is available just after it happens with no foresight. No doubt we will miss out on Poch. Then probably sack Ole next Summer anyway. With no succession plan.
Do we really have a better option though? Allegri is another option who is also very similar to Poch.
Yes, we have lot of hipster options but they are all equally risky. Point is every managerial appointment is a risky one.
Yes, we have lot of hipster options but they are all equally risky. Point is every managerial appointment is a risky one.
How does Poch make that list ahead of Simeone, Allegri, Ten Hag, Sarri or a whole host other more viable candidates?
Be honest, you photoshopped that list didn't you?
No, the list doesn't determine who is the best manager in football but which managers made the news, Pochettino is in the list due to the CL final. Last season the top 3 was Deschamps, Zidane and Dalic.
I guess no one told the guys (or girls!) at FIFA that Spurs lost that final.
Miscommunication is a killer.
Damn. That's even more shocking. That's just skipped my mind.And that at the time was a really odd vote, considering the awful form Spurs had been in for months at that point.
Apart from the obvious 2, Conte, Simeone and Sarri are all above him. Even Tuchel. And then there's the likes of Allegri, Ancelotti and of course Mourinho. But 2 of them (well 1 now) where not working this season.
Pochettino needs to be careful, he'll be getting overtaken by the likes or Ten Hag, Rodgers, Nagelsmann and Rose soon!
Why is Sarri better ? Other names are logical, but what did Sarri do in his career so far anyway ? He's 60 years old, has been managing since 1990 and had just got his first big job last year at Chelsea. Prior to Napoli he managed bunch of teams not worth noting for 25 years or so. His career has been underwhelming overall. Poch is younger than him by 13 years old and definitely better than Sarri at the similar age. He's still better than Sarri currently anyway imo.
Good manager for sure, very very lucky that his time at Spurs coincided with Man Utd and Arsenal declining, Chelsea being inconsistent and the emergence of a truly world class striker.
There is also Juande Ramos.
Rodgers is a better manager.
He's won something
But yeah, you are right, he may not fit, he's the outlier in my post! But hey, at least he's shown he can get a team over the finish line and win.
Wasnt he kinda similar at Napoli to Poch at Spurs? I.E. did really well in the eyes of many, but had nothing to show for it? So age aside, not seeing a massive difference to be honest, so don't be ageist! (I am teasing by the way!).
He won his first trophy at 60 years old. If Poch don't win anything till his 60 he'll be labelled as a big failure of a manager from everyone I believe.He's won something
But yeah, you are right, he may not fit, he's the outlier in my post! But hey, at least he's shown he can get a team over the finish line and win.
Wasnt he kinda similar at Napoli to Poch at Spurs? I.E. did really well in the eyes of many, but had nothing to show for it? So age aside, not seeing a massive difference to be honest, so don't be ageist! (I am teasing by the way!).
Age is definitely a big key imo. It's a pretty weird case for Sarri to be managing for 30 years, since 1990, and to get his first decent job at Napoli at 25, then his first big job at Chelsea 3 years later. It's showing why wasn't actually that wanted or demanded manager even though in Italy big teams keep sacking and hiring managers of rivals almost every year.
He of course did pretty well at Napoli and his football there was great, but his career has been underwhelming overall imo. I think Poch on reaching the same age will probably have a better career.
Brendon Rogers, the new Pochettino on the caf
I will have to reserve judgement on him till he's back in europe with Leicester next season. And see how he adapts to European competition.
Is Rodgers not clearly a good manager? He has said and done some very cringeworthy things in the past but even at Swansea he was clearly a good coach.Brendon Rogers, the new Pochettino on the caf
Great post. Poch is obviously better and the only difference between you and I is that I would cut our losses now with Ole (or if you want to give Poch a rest at least line him up so he can have say over summer recruitment).
You can give managers time where they have a past history and/or are showing signs of improvement and a clear way of playing ala Fergie or Klopp who both took a while to get going.
However Ole has no track record to earn him patience and I think the progress people claim to see is more wishful thinking than anything else. We have been awful ever since Ole was made perm and even with our supposed upturn we don't really create or have a planed style.of play to attack. Its still dependant on individuals and flash moments which isn't sustainable because injuries cause havoc when those individuals are then out (as demonstrated with Martial out).
People talking about Ole doing well with this squad also ignore he chose not to bring in reinforcements or at least spend the money as he did. He allowed us to go into this season this light in midfield and attack and he needs to own that disasterous decision.
Most of those managers had greater resources than Poch and they couldn’t achieve what he did with Spurs last season. Not many people would agree that those managers are above Poch.
He had a more impactful season than Ronaldo. When you say, “answer the question, is van Dijk a better footballer than Ronaldo.” That is a very vague question because attackers typically get all the headline. Van Dijk deserve fifa player of the year ahead of Ronaldo that season, if that satisfies your question.
Nope didn’t photoshop. Poch overachieved at Spurs and football experts realized that what he did at Spurs, only a few other managers could do. Which speaks volume of what a great manager he is.
I'm no one to give a sound opinion on who is a good manager or not. So many reasons why teams do well or poorly. But, couple of things strike me. He was apparently the first manager in 50 years of liverpool to not win anything after 3 years in charge. He has an excellent Leicester City team and as you know, Ranieri won the League with Leicester City not long ago so there doing well in the league shouldn't be too much of a surprise. So he's a good experienced manager, but he's the new cats pajamas on the caf since he's not attainable. That's all I'm saying.
Overachieving doesn't make you instantly one of the top 3 managers/coaches in the world though does it.
Klopp overachieved like crazy at Dortmund, both domestically and in Europe, but at the time, he wasn't considered one of the top 3 coaches in the world, and that's fine!
You take that jump when you sustain it for a number of seasons, and prove you can do it both domestically and on an European level for multiple seasons, oh and importantly too - when you turn the results into trophies.
Yes Pochettino is a very good coach, but top 3 right now? No chance.
Great post, if only there was a "like" button.
Well, going off a bit on a tangent here but 90% of the CAF was considering Klopp a perennial loser because he 'failed at finals' and 'has won nothing with Liverpool'. Just go back and see the wanking over Pep and Mourinho and the serious underrating of Klopp. Now after that final in Madrid, he's (rightly) considered one of the best (IMO the best currently). However, if that game in Madrid turned out different, Klopp would have been considered by the majority of the CAF a major loser and Poch a great fckn manager. That's giving too much weight to a single game.
Let me ask you this, who did better: Poch at Spurs or Mourinho at United? And why?