SNP already have most of the seats. Scotland was dead to Labour in 2010.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Don't you think that's just confirmation bias? I've found no shortage of racism in Spain, particularly in the south where many people treat the foreigners coming over from North Africa as legitimately subhuman.
Yes but Boris had better make sure that he brings palpable change to those good folk who were lifelong Labour voters and have now put their faith in him - not in the Tories... in him.
I suppose I better find out if we (United) won last night... 
I haven't lived in England since the Tories got in in 2010, I was considering moving back if they were avoided. Unfortunately that won't be happening, I don't think I could live in a country that hands up a landslide victory to the Tories. Sheer idiocy.
How did your exit poll celebration go then?The tide is changing. Even extremists like Guido and Leave.EU are getting absolutely overrun by people posting supportive comments for Labour.
People are wising up to what a shyster Johnson actually is and that you can't trust a word he says. They've evern turned on him for Brexit, and advocating voting for Farage's lot.
Momentum are full out attack, very few events organised to defending constituencies. I've taken leave tomorrow and will be out in Milton Keynes. They're close and ready to be flipped
Exit poll will be the first of many celebrations tomorrow night
This is the point, and this is why fixating on individuals is a bit pointless. Even Brexit is just a symptom of this culture war, and this culture war is happening everywhere!
As I said above, people's actual policy preferences do not align at all with how they vote. Rural vs urban, age, and education are great predictors of voting preferences in the US, in the UK, in the EU, everyfeckingwhere.
The world, right now, is riding on a reactionary wave. From Trump to Johnson to Orbán to Bolsonaro. Vulnerable people are left behind and they are taught, in turn, to blame those even more vulnerable for it. Change is scary, everything should be as it was in the vaguely defined good old days.
I voted labour, but I’ll say this: at least such a large majority means an end to the rudderless Britain we’ve seen since the coalition. It’s all on Boris now, and he’ll have no excuses if he doesn’t deliver.
I’m also hoping such a massive defeat means labour will have to rethink and come back stronger. Hopefully everyone has had enough of shouting at eachother, and we can actually get back to something resembling normality once brexit is out the way. As despite all the arguing, not every Tory is a heartless bastard who hates the poor, and not every labour voter is a millennial hipster with no idea about economics. I’m a bit sick of all the noise tbh, so hopefully everyone calms down a bit.
I’m also hoping such a massive defeat means labour will have to rethink and come back stronger. Hopefully everyone has had enough of shouting at eachother, and we can actually get back to something resembling normality once brexit is out the way. As despite all the arguing, not every Tory is a heartless bastard who hates the poor, and not every labour voter is a millennial hipster with no idea about economics. I’m a bit sick of all the noise tbh, so hopefully everyone calms down a bit.
A win for democracy. As predicted, people here were actually arguing with me Jo Swinson could be PM! Corbyn should have stood his ground against the EU in the same way he did for the previous 30 years of voting against it. Now we get a blue brexit and not only that blue trade deals for the next 5 years. A quite astounding victory when you consider the social media feeling towards Boris, says a lot about impotence of hate and anger when trying to put a point across, such a negative campaign by both the lib dems and labour and unsurprisingly that didn't create many new voters for them.
It always amuses me the folks that leave the UK because its so intolerant and so on only to rock up in much more corrupt, racist and intolerant countries. I think the difference is that they don't understand the politics there and can live in ignorant bliss.
53/59 in Scotland did not vote for a conservative candidate. If anything can be taken from this then at least I’m a wee bit proud of my nation for trying to stick it to the cnuts.
Scotland bottled it in the end then. feck sake. 48 nowhere near enough to get a referendum. Too many fannies like Christine Jardine left. Dragging us down with the rest of the UK.
So you're actually Scottish? Always assumed you were a scouser in exile.
Huh? "For the many, not the few" - such a negative campaign....
I think you might have been living in the social media bubble you talk about there if you think it was a negative campaign from Labour. Far from it.
Oh yeah, another great example of how successful the modern political right's communication strategy is. This has become a stereotype, again, worldwide, that the left means well but they have no clue about economics, unlike the pragmatic right. No evidence supports this in any way or form and yet they've successfully planted it.
Obvious for years that Corbyn was never leadership material and people wetting themselves in Labour's party elections to get him into power wouldn't mean he'd have anything near that popularity in a general election.
If there is one positive to take from the election, it's that such a comprehensive defeat finally sends a clear message that he should go.
If there is one positive to take from the election, it's that such a comprehensive defeat finally sends a clear message that he should go.
I wouldn’t have said it was a new stereotype, it’s been around for donkeys years.
I think you missed most of the campaigning if all you can think of is that tagline. They did nothing but bombard hate about Boris Johnson and the horrible tories, people didn't buy it.
Honestly I think if the Labour leadership had pushed the Leave position after 2017 the party would have split and the remaining splinters would have picked up ~100 seats max between them.
I agree that Corbyn was part of the problem. I campaigned in Bishop Auckland and whilst his name didn't come up as a negative on the doors much, it never once came up as a positive. Undoubtedly, if Labour had gone into the election with a more popular leader people tempted to vote for the Brexit Party/Tories might have thought twice but having said that, I very much doubt any of the alternatives to Corbyn touted before or after the result would have been popular enough to save the likes of Bishop or Redcar. Realistically, once Farage had decided to pour all his resources into Labour leave seats, and no Remain Alliance came into play to counter it, the die was cast.
Well, by "modern", I mean like the last 30 years or so.
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Yep, I’m Scottish. Started supporting Everton because of Big Dunc so last week was even more special for me. feck it. Get big Dunc and Nic to give everyone’s head a wobble. Power couple there.
Bang on.
Boris Johnson will conduct his reshuffle on Monday, not today as is traditional for an incoming prime minister. He appears to be taking the weekend to think about his appointments.
There has been speculation that this will be a mini-round of movement with a bigger shuffle after the Brexit deal is through parliament.
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There has been speculation that this will be a mini-round of movement with a bigger shuffle after the Brexit deal is through parliament.
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This was not just Leavers being the knuckle-dragging idiots you imply. It astounds me that people just do not see the simplicity of the message here. There were remainers who voted for Boris as well as the Brexiteers. Why? Because what all the other parties were doing with their 2nd Ref/Revoke/Close-alignment/Brino bollocks was anti-democratic. Labour could have got Mays deal through but chose to play politics. "It's a Tory deal!" Well was it? 27 EU Countries signed up to it ffs. Same goes for the DUP and now they have paid the price. The plain and simple fact is that you can't start messing/changing the result of one referendum until it has first been implemented. The correct way should be "ok you voted for it, now here it is". Then if the people didn't like it they could campaign for another vote to reverse it.
This was primarily about democracy.
Now we will leave, and sure we may well feel the pain but at least if a future referendum is held on an option to re-join the EU, we can have some faith that a bunch of sore losers won't try and overturn it.
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Not going to happen. The genie is out and you can't put it back in. Trying to win elections on economic policy is useless in today's Britain. Yes, a center left Labour party might have a better chance but imo will still not win a majority. Most of the issues are cultural. Let's cut to the chase, propaganda about immigration and identity have destroyed this country. We are witnessing 30 year of relentless incessant propaganda coming home to roost. The only way Labour win some of these voters is moving to the right on a lot of these issues, problem is the progressive side won't hesitate to abandon them as well.
What now for us remainers?
Guess it’s rejoin now & just hope it’s a soft Brexit somehow.
I’m still just sad my EU citizenship is being stripped from me, any remainers thinking of a new start elsewhere?
Guess it’s rejoin now & just hope it’s a soft Brexit somehow.
I’m still just sad my EU citizenship is being stripped from me, any remainers thinking of a new start elsewhere?
Hear hear
Does it really? There has been a lot of hate against Corbyn and Labour.
Also a very good post
Wouldn't be so sure about that!
In terms of coming from official channels most of the negative campaigning I've seen has been Labour/Lib Dems re Boris. Tories just kept saying get Brexit done.
I would if I could, I'd love to get out and never look back but I'm stuck in this shithole.
Unless any European or Canadian Caftards know any ladies wanting a trophy English hubby...
I'm going to start identifying by my celtic blood from now on.
Nah mate, Brexit promised us 350million rainbows a day remember?
I would say it was more against marxism than Corbyn personally, although the fear of antisemitism has obviously and rightly generated some hate, the Tories were more focused on opposing policy than personality, and the positive message of a future Britain
Once the referendum genie was out of the bottle, it was always going to be toxic, no matter what. That's just the reality of it. It was and remains (hah) an incredibly polarising issue that neatly divides the UK population. It's basically a 50-50 thing. No matter who wins, the loser will be 1) incredibly bitter, 2) feel like they have been cheated. And with good reason, frankly. Going against the wishes of half the country on such a MASSIVE issue is always going to be toxic.
What should have been done is pointless to even talk about now but basically, demonising and scapegoating the EU for domestic political gains ensured that the UK will have to walk this road eventually. The staggering amount of lies about the EU did not start to appear in the British newspapers around the referendum but decades before. That's what undermined democracy.
One that has actually shocked me, and I suppose is evidence of what others have been saying with regards Twitter / Facebook.
Angela Rayner who a few in here see as a good candidate for leader and who most would say has performed well in the election is getting glowing reviews on twitter, and calls to stand for leader, whilst on Facebook its 90% negative and people gutted she was likely to hold her seat.
This was before the results were even announced, so expect it to get even worse now.
Angela Rayner who a few in here see as a good candidate for leader and who most would say has performed well in the election is getting glowing reviews on twitter, and calls to stand for leader, whilst on Facebook its 90% negative and people gutted she was likely to hold her seat.
This was before the results were even announced, so expect it to get even worse now.
Surely the Labour weren't strong enough in favour of Brexit idea gets demolished when you consider that Skinner lost his seat? Granted, I'm aware a lot of people don't necessarily vote on the basis of local candidates but he had a high-profile and yet lost all the same, by a fairly comfortable margin. Again, nationwide the primary problem ended up being Corbyn. All polls are showing this.
It's not really true though is it? Did you miss Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser? Did you miss scaremongering about another Scottish indy ref? Antisemitism in Labour? Bankrupt the country as fiscally irresponsible... debt we'll be paying back for years? All sides attacked each other.
Even the Tories flagship policy was not promoted in a positive way. "Get Brexit done" was spoken about like a chore that we need to get out of the way... like doing the dishes.
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