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You're an idiot. Confirmatory referendums are exceedingly common on decisions like this. "Anti-democratic"
get a fecking grip.UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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get a fecking grip.Loads of Tories, including Johnson, voted against May's deal too though. That's hardly all on Labour.
labour have been doing it for a decade. Will be the same old blame game, Blair, Murdoch...
UK Voting:
Tory + Brexit Party = 45.6%
Labour + Lib Dem + SNP + Green = 50.3%
Even taking England only the brexit parties didn't get > 50%
Without a pact between Labour and the Lib Dems it was obvious this was going to happen, just as it's obvious that Johnson will not be challenged when he says this is a huge mandate to force brexit down our throats.
Now alls we have to look forward to is a WTO terms end of the transition at the end of 2020 and then desperate free trade deals with the US, Canada etc where we get totally screwed over.
Boris Johnson and Co also sided with Labour and voted Mays deal down for fecks sake. I mean seriously, are you just ignoring what they have all done?!
Very democratic.
Labour have been mainly pointing out what the Tories have been doing in power, Lib Dems have had some weird campaign to be fair.
Regardless of what people believe is the truth the country has (including the working class) given the clear signal that actually, things aren’t so bad at the moment.
What % of the vote to the SNP have? The number of seats in Scotland is disproportionate to the no of voters.
Yes I take that point. There were despondent Tories for whatever reasons but the third vote was close and Labour en-bloc could have put it to bed there and then. They could have then campaigned and fought on the future relationship and probably stood a better chance in 2022.
They pretty much call anything from Labour marxist, it's american scare tactics.
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It's really bad for those at the very bottom of society, they are generally voiceless. In a Tory reality they tend to get chewed up, spat out and forgotten about.
But Antisemitism, Indy ref 2 and bankrupting the country are all reasonable concerns. The whole momentum campaign was if you vote Tory you are killing children and the homeless, and voting for a racist liar. There's a clear difference in intensity and intent.
Not backing May's deal was a major error. What does it matter that the ERG extremists didn't back it either? Boris did back it in the end. As it happens now a No Deal is a possibility and the legal protection of workers rights are out of the window. Bad strategy by Corbyn's Labour has potentially cost the people they were trying to protect massively.Boris Johnson and Co also sided with Labour and voted Mays deal down for fecks sake. I mean seriously, are you just ignoring what they have all done?!
Very democratic.
Whether that is the case or not elswhere, it clearly is not the way the people of Britain see it. The 3 previous referendums held in the UK in my lifetime have all been honoured or implemented. This one should be too.You're an idiot. Confirmatory referendums are exceedingly common on decisions like this. "Anti-democratic"
That's not really something you can clearly take from this campaign.
That goes for Labour to or should i say New Labour.
Labour ran a negative smear and scare campaign all the way through and has been shown in previous elections that it just doesn't work.
Endless Twatter posts, this one did that, that one did this, they're selling the NHS, everyone's going to die.
I expected Corbyn with his army of cheerleaders to do better than that.
In my constituency, there was a huge swing to LibDem, but it was never going to overhaul such a huge majority. Their campaign was was nothing and they have no politicians of any substance or with anything about them.
Endless Twatter posts, this one did that, that one did this, they're selling the NHS, everyone's going to die.
I expected Corbyn with his army of cheerleaders to do better than that.
In my constituency, there was a huge swing to LibDem, but it was never going to overhaul such a huge majority. Their campaign was was nothing and they have no politicians of any substance or with anything about them.
that’s a representation of what happened only here. The violent language and stereotyping of Tory voters was so unhelpful.
i hope that they take the time to reflect.
The DUP are the one's who have played their hand worst here. I can see a United Ireland in 20 years now whereas previously I would have said 40.
They'll have 7.3% of seats with 3.9% of the overall votes, based on the Guardian's data.
I don't have specific data for Scotland but I imagine they probably did get disproportionate amount of the Scottish seats. First past the post sucks, as I mentioned.
Austerity has killed children. Homelessness has increased massively. Johnson is both a racist, and a liar.
Why are negative things about Labour categorised as 'reasonable concerns' whereas the above are not to you? Should they not be concerning? I don't understand that take if I am honest as I don't see them as unreasonable at all.
With this election British people deserve everything bad that will happen to them in the coming years, starting with Scotish Independence, a bad brexit deal, spike in drugs prices due to trade deal with US, etc
Oh come on Colin. It works just about everywhere. It works for the Tories. It works for Trump. Smear and scare works best in elections, at least for the right. Why it doesn't work for the left is another discussion.
10% of the seats to circa 10% of the population?
No one isn't concerned about children or the homeless. However momentum/Labour supporters tried to convey the message that if you voted Tory you were actively looking to kill these people. Its a horrible message, rightly rejected.
Labour should have simply let May's deal pass in the parliament. Tories would have gotten all the back lash then from almost everyone - brexiters for not delivering proper mythical brexit and remainers for even a soft brexit. Worst case LD would have gained at expense of Tories rather than Labour but Tories surely would have tanked instead of surging.
If true at least there is a up side. Hopefully Scotland will get independence as well.
Reply from the BBC regarding Laura K complaint:
Apparently the BBC's editorial guidelines does not include their journalists conforming to electoral law. That's some serious mental gymnastics.
Can you name any other time a journalist or news presenter could be accused of breaking a law live on air and the broadcaster responding with shrugging their shoulders and saying "well it might be against the law but it's not against our rules".
Apparently the BBC's editorial guidelines does not include their journalists conforming to electoral law. That's some serious mental gymnastics.
Can you name any other time a journalist or news presenter could be accused of breaking a law live on air and the broadcaster responding with shrugging their shoulders and saying "well it might be against the law but it's not against our rules".
Truth often hurts.
That isn't true though is it. Homelessness went down massively under New Labour, I assume that you forget what this country was like pre-New Labour? They we're not in anyway making it difficult for disabled people to claim benefits etc.
You're certainly actively choosing not to help them.
Agreed on Ireland, although I can see some real fightback from the Unionists so it should be handled gently. As a Scot I would like Scotland to stay.
As I've been saying for the past few weeks, if people continually choose to engage on this level then you just won't see the wood for the trees.
Too late for that now. The Union is fecked. The fury up here is palpable.
Depends where you are, my brother lives in Peebles and it always seems very pro union there. I go fishing up in the North East and the hate for Sturgeon there is palpable.
The anger up here today really is quite something. In my office and on the radio people are furious.
Do you think the homeless and poverty stricken families will be cared for under the tories?
I'm inclined to accept what has happened and move on now, so I'd like to better understand the reasons people voted for them.
FFS....You're not allowed to say that on here !!
The great shame is that too many good, honest, excellent Constituency MPs have lost their seats ( and let's not forget, for many it's their jobs and it's their income ) whilst the architects of what's happened will continue to play out their ridiculous economic fantasies and dogma inside their London bubble.
It's not the ' heartland ' labour MPs who should be ' signing on ' this norning - it's Corbyn, Thornberry, Starmer, McDonnell, Abbot, Gardiner and others.
And throw in in a few of those outside of London like Burgon and Long-Bailey who have followed these clowns like sheep without brains.
Would you agree with the idea that under the last 9 years of Tory government life has become harder for those at the lower end of society? Including rise in levels of child poverty, homelessness and increased stress on the NHS?
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