United and Ole shall drop the CAM and go for 2 CF

LuckyScout78

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Special against tight defend. And if Haaland end up at Old Trafford. It just make more sense. Reason why United shall drop to play the cam?
Because you only play a cam/nr.10 only the quality of the players like that is on the same level as Kaka, Zidane, Platini and Cantona or Dele Alli with Spurs. If you are aiming to get top 4 or win the premier leauge. The level of that player has to be in common with goal of the result to winning the league. And if you are satisfy with nr.8 or down the table. You can use Lingard, Perreira or Mata in that role. A winning premier league team demand that level and quality. So currently United dont have it. So drop it. Go for 2 really CF instead. Do United have it?Yes. In Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Haaland if he is coming.

Pontential line up in 4-4-2 formation

James/Greenwood - McTom - Pobga - Rashford + Greenwood/Haaland - Martial/Rashford or

Greenwood - McTom - Pobga - James + Rashford - Martial

As wingers i prefer lightweight wingers. Haaland suit better as CF. Even Lukaku and Haaland can play as RW in need or crisis.

And i am 100 % sure against bottom half and tight defend. The result will be better with 442 instead of 4411 formation. Against better team 4411 might work better. or alternative with Pobga back 451 is an alternative option like this.

James - Fred/Lingard - McTom - Pobga - Rashford + Martial/Haaland

So in the end. Nothing personal against Mata and Lingard. But the truth is that. Same with James. They are not players to open up tight defenders, to get United enough points to get top 4 or win the premier league. It demand higher skills, qualities and level. Without Pobga United had struggle and will struggle. If Pobga stay out and no adding of a new really good and creative cm/nr.8 options in this january transfer window.
 

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I read this in LVG's voice
I did this myself. It was entirely worth it.
Also is this Pobga guy any good? Don't think I've seen him in our squad in the last few years. Another academy player I take it?
 

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This only works if you've a midfield pairing capable of providing both the defensive and attacking quality you need.

There are no weak sides in the league anymore so you can't forfeit the midfield battle. Fred and McTominay give you the defensive workrate but you need a 10 to provide the attacking quality. Drop one of those for Pogba and you have the attack sorted but lose the battle behind.
 

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I've been saying this for ages. Against Sheffield United we went 4-4-2 and scored 2 quick goals. We went 4-4-2 for a bit yesterday and scored a goal. Not sure why Ole changed it back to a 4-2-3-1 when he brought Mata on. But I wouldn't play 4-4-2 with Pogba. I would only play him in the #10. He's too lazy...

--------------------------------------------------Romero (sorry DeGea)-----------------------------------------------
AWB--------------------------Lindeloff---------------------------Maguire---------------------------Shaw
Greenwood----------------------McTominay--------------------Fred------------------------James
------------------------------------Martial--------------------------Rashford--------------------------------
 
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Because you only play a cam/nr.10 only the quality of the players like that is on the same level as Kaka, Zidane, Platini and Cantona or Dele Alli with Spurs.
That’s quite a list of legends you have there
 

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This only works if you've a midfield pairing capable of providing both the defensive and attacking quality you need.

There are no weak sides in the league anymore so you can't forfeit the midfield battle. Fred and McTominay give you the defensive workrate but you need a 10 to provide the attacking quality. Drop one of those for Pogba and you have the attack sorted but lose the battle behind.
Wouldn't agree with there being no weak sides in the league anymore, there are plenty. Points total of top 2 last season and our points total the season before suggest there are plenty. Not to mention liverpool's current and very sickening points haul thus far. Some decent sides making up the top 10 but the bottom 10 are as bad as ever.....in my view.
 

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I've been saying this for ages. Against Sheffield United we went 4-4-2 and scored 2 quick goals. We went 4-4-2 for a bit yesterday and scored a goal. Not sure why Ole changed it back to a 4-2-3-1 when he brought Mata on. But I wouldn't play 4-4-2 with Pogba. I would only play him in the #10. He's too lazy...

--------------------------------------------------Romero (sorry DeGea)-----------------------------------------------
AWB--------------------------Lindeloff---------------------------Maguire---------------------------Shaw
Greenwood----------------------McTominay--------------------Fred------------------------James
------------------------------------Martial--------------------------Greenwood---------------------------------
Shapeshifter?
 

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We've seen how shite Pogba is sitting in a 2, just doesn't have the work rate and discipline. Do we really have the players for a flat 4-4-2? Pogba should be CAM infront of Fred&McT. Front 3 of Rashford, Martial, James.
 

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Sure why not, it's like we have a capable attacking midfielder on the squad right now.
 

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Looks like Ole is a bit stubborn or Ole doesn’t know his best XI. To make the best out of squad. Imagine the Lingard chip with a natural CF like Vardy chip against City.

Ole said it is hard to put Greenwood out of the team. But still yet again.

Ok i both blame on a poor finish by Lingard. But it is the manager who pick the starting line up. Most of the fans Lingard is nowhere near an ideal and top level nr.10 cam and compare to level of CF ability of Greenwood. Yeah Greenwood is not a finish product and not a top level CF like Vardy yet. But if your nr.10 options are Lingard, Perreira and Mata. Most Coaches and fans would start with either Greenwood or Rashford on top with Martial.

Greenwood/James - McTom - Fred - Rashford/James + Greenwood/Rashford - Martial

Many better alternative than that 4411 or 4231 with a Cam

And like i said. Like players. Right decisions are keys to good result. Ole has been with this squad for a year now. And if he can’t see this. Is the reason why i start this thread. How to improve the team and make the best out of the squad. A suggestion and recommendation. But again, i think this is really obvious for most United fans. That United dont have an ideal nr.10 which United and Ole is using. And this is half way of the season and one year working with them. A premier league winning team or top 4 team each season. Demand a top quality cam. Combine with others top CF, Wingers and nr.6 and 8. Make a top unit. A top United, sum of the combination and collevtive.
1 year shall be enough to know his players strength and weakness.

Really frustrate when i knew he could pick a better line up. Even Lingard should score and De Gea big mistake shouldn’t happen. Pogba is back from injury and maybe he can help United in that nr.10 role. Even Pogba is not a perfect and a top nr.10. And i am not sure about Ole fate as United manager. Maybe Pogba back at right time and January transfer right buy of targets will save Ole time as United manager.

Personally from mine observing and analyzing. Evaluation.
3 really bad decisions from Ole and his staff :

1. Not buying a really good cm. Having a nr.6 in McTom, Fred and Matic is ok. But the nr.8 only with Pogba. United should spend they time on a creative offensive cm.

2.Let Smalling goes on loan. Smalling with Maguire as CB partnership would be better.

3. The line up he were picking. You praised the boy Greenwood, but you keep benching him for a second rate nr.10

And maybe Lukaku when you dont have a replacement and don’t trust Greenwood in the starting line up.

And a replacement for Sanchez as winger. Then have only two wingers left in Rashford and James. Beca if you have Sanchez or another winger replacement. You could put Rashford upfront with Martial.
Sum up. Having Lukaku and Sanchez or replacement for both would give you more strength to play on against weaker team. Lukaku would still bully the weaker team, if he get really good service.

So sum up. United need a top nr.8. A top CF and a top RW in the coming transfer window.

And trust me. I have recommended on others threads.

Realistic in January.

CM/nr.8 to strength that options : Kristoffer Olsson from Krasnodar. A really easy on the toes offensive and creative cm player. Really good and precise with the ball and with a re good football vision (pass and movement). He play regular for Sweden nation team and one of they key player that have made Sweden the Euro 2020 spot. Price: Krasnodar bought him for around 5 mill euro back in the start of 2019. So you shall know how to negotiate the price with them. 5 X 3/4 = 15-20 euro. And for the abilities of Olsson. I can assurance value for money and quality for that price. Krasnodar got 5 mill euro was a super bargain business. You don’t find a better and real creative cm player out there, which you can buy in January. For the price of 15 - 20 mill euro. I can write my name on it.

A new CF in Haaland.

And last of all a new RW in Jadon Sancho. Alternative RW/winger options Federico Chiesa

And if you need more CM players beside Kristoffer Olsson (bought in January) for next summer.

Fabian Ruiz from Napoli. Left foot. Upcoming, hunger and with a lot energy. A DCM/CM

Bruno Fernandes - CM/CAM. Lightweight and easy on the toes/quick and good in small areas.

So sum up that are United weakness and where they can improve most and how. If i was United head coach and D.O.F. Published in public forum. Smart.

Football is my passion, street and home.
 

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@Holters what do you think?

I bought this up a couple of months back, I think if we get McNeil for the left I think Ole would give this a go. But not before seeing Pogba as a 10.
 

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It would be hilarious and totally amateurish to switch now after waiting 3 months for Pogba to return to Nr 10. With that being said, it’ll probably happen. Such is the nature of the current circus.
 

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We finally have it lads, direct transcripts of Ole/Woody's 3 year plan. Rumour has it it was devised in between multiple rounds of Connect 4
 

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His absolute lack of any tactical flexibility is proof enough OgS needs to go.

His persistence with a formation that rests heavily on a “no.10”, probably the weakest position in the team highlights why this guy will only ever take the club backwards.

There is no plan, the man is a face the fans like so it’s front & centre covering for the absolute shocking running of the club at all levels.
 

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Do you really think our problem is lack of CF? When you make 1 goal attempt in 1st half, do you think an extra Forward would make any difference at all? It is about organisation change, how to move the ball forward and how to unsettle the opposition. We are clueless throughout the whole season, because we are counter-attack team ONLY.