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Josep Dowling said:
Such a stupid way to look at it when Spurs got to a Champions League final under him, in that exact same period you refer to as well.

Also prior to that he implemented a style to two Premier League teams. I would rather trust a manager who has prior success at the highest level. It’s stupid to suggest because it didn’t work with LVG and Mourinho that we suddenly don’t try a very good manager with prior success.
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I'm pretty sick of this argument. Di Matteo WON Chelsea a champions league. When did this become an accurate measure of a good manager?

If Spurs did actually play exciting football or play top teams off the park rm17 route to the CL Final maybe this wouldn't be so meaningless, but actually they were lucky not to go out in the group stage, lucky in every knockout round. Produced the most timid final performance I've ever seen. Meanwhile their football has been tedious for a long time now.

The obsession with him on here is pathetic. It's based on utter nonsense.
 

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Eddy_JukeZ said:
Apparently we need to readjust our expectations that we shouldn't be above Sheffield United.

Lunacy.
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Forget what you think of other perhaps settled and certainly more experienced teams....It is unrealistic to think top four when we can't defend and with a lack of experience in the squad. Our names just a name but the mentality of the group has not been aggressive enough. They've shown potential in big games but they've not realized or have forgotten, EVERY game is a big game..because of our name. Ole has not done a good job BUT in some respects he's done decent. It takes time to develop players, especially in todays climate of distractions. If we corrected our mentality, we would not create as many problems for ourselves. It takes time to lay the foundation. We're potential and maybe we won't push on but look at Rashford last season and this season. Look at Masons contribution. The big focus should be win a trophy. We can do that. If not, sort Pogbas situation out and add more depth/experience/hunger..to the squad and get rid of liabilities.

For me our results - mostly against lower teams, has been an attitude/application issue. Not so much quality. You can always improve on the quality but we've been to slow and let teams settle and their experience has won over. The watford game, was just one of those games where we beat ourselves. We MUST be more aggressive. Play faster. Press harder. Until they make mistakes because they will make mistakes. The players need to be good enough so let's see. If we sacked ole now, we'd create a lot of uncertainty. it's questionable our transfer situation would be any better. There's no magic wand.
 
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400 IQ!

In or out, they are just opinions. We are all entitled to have them.

I, personally, believe today's game could have been very different if not for a little help from Newcastle. They looked comfortable at the back until Tony Marsh had a decent effort parried in by the keeper. Greenwood's, although a good hit, took a deflection. Could have gone in anyway, who knows. Rashfords goal was well worked and an unusual way for us to register. So did we get better at breaking down the 'low block'? Who knows! We had plenty of help.

Big two games coming up, test our away form at Burnley & Arsenal. We'll see if today was a turning point or not.
 

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It's starting to get annoying, isn't it?

It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with people (on either side of the fence) looking to gain one-upmanship all the time.
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So why not point out those who posted in here when Newcastle scored rather than have a pop at those who actually posted when the game was done? What about having a reasonable debate with those posters, or doesn't that count because they think like you?
 

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Andycoleno9 said:
Well, nice from you to defend a fellow poster and @dove maaaybe overreacted with word "idiot"( prick or twat is the right word imo) but dr.@Crustanoid in his posts repeatedly talks shit and insults everybody who doesn't think like him. So action = reaction.

"Ole out" brigade doesn't insult people. We are classy bunch
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You really believe that's true? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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alexthelion said:
Proves he doesn't know what "literally" means.
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Traditionally yes, although he defintion of literally changed a few years ago as so many people were using it like that, when speaking figuratively. I blame Jamie Redknapp.

The original meaning is still there, but they added a colloquial section to also include the times when people don't mean that:
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c. colloquial. Used to indicate that some (frequently conventional) metaphorical or hyperbolical expression is to be taken in the strongest admissible sense: ‘virtually, as good as’; (also) ‘completely, utterly, absolutely’.Now one of the most common uses, although often considered irregular in standard English since it reverses the original sense of literally (‘not figuratively or metaphorically’).
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Merriam-Webster did it too.

Literally literally doesn't just mean literally now. :lol:
 

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noodlehair said:
I'm pretty sick of this argument. Di Matteo WON Chelsea a champions league. When did this become an accurate measure of a good manager?

If Spurs did actually play exciting football or play top teams off the park rm17 route to the CL Final maybe this wouldn't be so meaningless, but actually they were lucky not to go out in the group stage, lucky in every knockout round. Produced the most timid final performance I've ever seen. Meanwhile their football has been tedious for a long time now.

The obsession with him on here is pathetic. It's based on utter nonsense.
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You really believe that's true? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yes. Look at posts in all Ole threads. Most of posts from us( there are always some bad examples of course) are about Ole and Ole only.
On the other hand, usual answers are based to insult poster. ( "pathetic, negative, moaner, glory hunter, not true fan, go support City", etc...etc...).
 

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It's based on feelings.
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It's based on nonsense. Pochettino was only a success at Spurs, by Spurs measure of expectations. Qualifying for the CL and winning nothing. By United's measure of expectations he would have been a failure.

Ole took over United last season and in the games he was in charge produced form that would have had them 3rd and a long way ahead of 4th. This season he's started building a team and remains well in the hunt for 4th and still in every competition United entered. This is what makes the Pochettino cult so deluded, because IF you were to judge Ole by the same standards you have to judge Pochettino to consider him succesful, then you also HAVE to conclude that Ole isn't actually doing a bad job. Definitely not a bad enough one to consider turfing him out. He's doing no worse than you could reasonably expect from Pochettino. Either that or you have to adopt complete double standards, or just reinvent reality, to reach a different conclusion..

Hence where the strawman CL final argument comes from. Only, the best team Spurs beat on route to that was City, and they didn't deserve to, and if you go back through the CL you find it's littered with teams who got to semi finals, finals, etc. even won it, despite having managers who'd definitely not be in the class people claim getting to a CL final puts Pochettino in. At this point it's deliberate ignorance/making things up to suit, as this is just a fact. Last time we won the CL the team we played in the final was managed by Avram fecking Grant.

Here is the problem; pretending Pochettino has done much better than he has, wont magically make it true if he becomes our manager. Pretending that when Ole beats City away it's a fluke and when Pochettino beats City away it's genius, doesn't change the results of any games.

This shite really seriously needs to stop. It's embarassing.
 

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We will continue to tickle the hole of the top four teams but when push comes to shove we won't be in the top four all season or if we do get a chance to get into the top four the spineless cowards in the team will mess up as usual.

I expect a sixth place finish.

Edit: Get rid of Ole, players are all over the place with no plan against the smaller teams, couldn't motivate his own wiener to get a boner I reckon.
 

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Close the forum guys, We can't have opinions on Pochettino. Always emotional responses along with insults. Well done DT.

PS : Bringing other facts about Ole = auto ignore and going back to the same shit every time
 
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noodlehair said:
It's based on nonsense. Pochettino was only a success at Spurs, by Spurs measure of expectations. Qualifying for the CL and winning nothing. By United's measure of expectations he would have been a failure.

Ole took over United last season and in the games he was in charge produced form that would have had them 3rd and a long way ahead of 4th. This season he's started building a team and remains well in the hunt for 4th and still in every competition United entered. This is what makes the Pochettino cult so deluded, because IF you were to judge Ole by the same standards you have to judge Pochettino to consider him succesful, then you also HAVE to conclude that Ole isn't actually doing a bad job. Definitely not a bad enough one to consider turfing him out. He's doing no worse than you could reasonably expect from Pochettino. Either that or you have to adopt complete double standards, or just reinvent reality, to reach a different conclusion..

Hence where the strawman CL final argument comes from. Only, the best team Spurs beat on route to that was City, and they didn't deserve to, and if you go back through the CL you find it's littered with teams who got to semi finals, finals, etc. even won it, despite having managers who'd definitely not be in the class people claim getting to a CL final puts Pochettino in. At this point it's deliberate ignorance/making things up to suit, as this is just a fact. Last time we won the CL the team we played in the final was managed by Avram fecking Grant.

Here is the problem; pretending Pochettino has done much better than he has, wont magically make it true if he becomes our manager. Pretending that when Ole beats City away it's a fluke and when Pochettino beats City away it's genius, doesn't change the results of any games.

This shite really seriously needs to stop. It's embarassing.
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He was managing Spurs though? How else should we be measuring him? He did incredibly well with the resources available to him, and I think it's pretty reductionist to merely boil his tenure down to "qualifying for the CL and winning nothing". At worst it's doing Poch a massive disservice, at best just willfully ignoring the progress they made under him. He turned them from laughing stock into Champions League finalists, whilst being heavily outspent by clubs either side of him. He built a great side, and although it ran out of steam last season, I don't think it takes a lot to acknowledge what he achieved there, even if it didn't manifest in silverware.

Now, is that evidence that he's got what it takes to fire us back to the top? That's another question. But I don't think we need to pretend that what he did at Spurs was ordinary, or just what their fans would expect. He's loved by Spurs fans for a reason.
 
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RedTiger said:
It's based on feelings.
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Nope, its based on reality.

Some want to back a young talented manager and some want him fired.

But they all agree our squad aint good enough...

Poch or Ole, neither would get this squad good enough to challenge for the title. In the long run, I think Ole is the correct choice to build the future. Few, very few, would play as many youngsters as Ole.

Ask Rashford,Martial, Greenwood, Williams and Scott who they want to manage us. .

You'll end up disapointed
 

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The thread is still in heated discussion.

I came into conclusion:

Ole In: Delusional, clueless, accepting mediocrity, no ambition.

Ole out: We know what's best for the club because we can see it that others can't.

No point in arguing.

So I'll just sit down here and read this shit show.
 

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If we are assigning camps i think there are more than two
1. Ole in who will defend him to death regardless. One upping Ole out people has become a sport and thus personal
2. Ole in who think hes doing alright and deserves more time, but is not quite sure.
3. Ole out who dont thinks hes the wrong man, but desperately wants him to prove them wrong.
4. Ole out people who wants him to fail so they can say "told you so". To them one upping Ole in people is also sport
5. Poch loyalists
 

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Crustanoid said:
I’d love to know how many Ole Outs are post 93 ‘fans’
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Yes, and actually, don’t call me an idiot please. I can guarantee I’m more intelligent than most (doctorally educated, and world leading in my field)
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Hey guys, this guy here badly needs some attention.

Do you want a trophy buddy? A top red medal, or maybe a genius trophy?

Bragging about how deep your support goes for a club, and boasting about your intelligence, has got to be the 2 most cringiest things on an internet forum.
 

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Andycoleno9 said:
Ha ha. I nearly respond it but then i realised there is no point. He will see what Poch can do with this team next season:devil:
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Yeah there's really no point in trying to debate, if some are gonna think that Ole is better than Poch. Poch could do very well at his next team, while we continue looming in mediocrity again next season, and there will still be more excuses for Ole. A truly tiresome bunch.
 

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Micky Targaryen said:
Yeah there's really no point in trying to debate, if some are gonna think that Ole is better than Poch. Poch could do very well at his next team, while we continue looming in mediocrity again next season, and there will still be more excuses for Ole. A truly tiresome bunch.
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It is not always about who is better than who etc. it is about who is the best fit. Look atnl Clough at Leeds
 

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Micky Targaryen said:
Yeah there's really no point in trying to debate, if some are gonna think that Ole is better than Poch. Poch could do very well at his next team, while we continue looming in mediocrity again next season, and there will still be more excuses for Ole. A truly tiresome bunch.
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There there, santa will being you lots of presents and mummy will make it all ok and let you win.
 

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Why do you only see life in black and white? There are many colors.

You don't have to think Ole is the best. Actually, he is not. Klopp is legit better, and Pep has more experience. So what? That doesn't mean Ole is the worst and should be sacked. He doesn't need to be the best or the worst. He is improving the team and bringing positivity in. Let him do his job. I bet you are not the absolute best at your job either, probably good enough, but they are not firing you, I hope?

It is indeed a trait of small and shitty teams to change managers all the time. We shouldnt be sacking Ole unless he is doing something irreversibly terrible, which he is not. That is the fecking point here, not that Ole is the best ever. Why is this so hard to understand?
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This is pretty much where I am at with Ole. Do I think he is the greatest tactical brain of all time? No. But then again, in modern football you have a team of analysts and coaches to help here.

Ole has made several decisions that where brave and that I like. We’ve fielded 10 of the 20 youngest XIs in the league this year which can only bode well for the future. We’ve had a turbulent few years, Ole is trying to put the fundamentals back in place. Let’s let him do that for a year or so longer and if we’re still not looking like at least challenging for 3rd then we think about a new manager take us to the next level

I just don’t understand why the rush and all the venom from the Ole out posters. I feel he is getting all the abuse for 6/7 years of frustration tbh.
 

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I’ve cross referenced a few of the more vocal “Ole out” posters with other threads. I then compared them with people who are vocally Ole in.

Ole out posters are 301% more likely to post in the FIFA and Football Manager threads.

Ole out posters are 50% more active in the transfer forum. This rises to 87% if you look at the Sancho thread. 103% if you are only looking at posts where they post potential lineups for next year with guesses at how much those players will cost.

Ole in posters are on average writing posts with 204% high level vocabulary compared to the average Ole out poster.

This is where it gets really interesting - Ole out posters are 50% more likely to listen to Jordan Peterson, play Mario games and are 305% more likely to be a virgin.
 
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This is pretty much where I am at with Ole. Do I think he is the greatest tactical brain of all time? No. But then again, in modern football you have a team of analysts and coaches to help here.

Ole has made several decisions that where brave and that I like. We’ve fielded 10 of the 20 youngest XIs in the league this year which can only bode well for the future. We’ve had a turbulent few years, Ole is trying to put the fundamentals back in place. Let’s let him do that for a year or so longer and if we’re still not looking like at least challenging for 3rd then we think about a new manager take us to the next level

I just don’t understand why the rush and all the venom from the Ole out posters. I feel he is getting all the abuse for 6/7 years of frustration tbh.
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Because Poch is world class when it comes to building teams of sexy bottlers on a shoestring. Which is obviously what we want, because we suck the Glazers' cocks and want to become the new Arsenal.

This isn't to say Poch can't succeed of course, merely that he's not proven at the top level. There isn't a single coach around and available that is proven at the top level IMO. Allegri and that sort of option just aren't and never will be United coaches.
 

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Wumminator said:
I’ve cross referenced a few of the more vocal “Ole out” posters with other threads. I then compared them with people who are vocally Ole in.

Ole out posters are 301% more likely to post in the FIFA and Football Manager threads.

Ole out posters are 50% more active in the transfer forum. This rises to 87% if you look at the Sancho thread. 103% if you are only looking at posts where they post potential lineups for next year with guesses at how much those players will cost.

Ole in posters are on average writing posts with 204% high level vocabulary compared to the average Ole out poster.

This is where it gets really interesting - Ole out posters are 50% more likely to listen to Jordan Peterson, play Mario games and are 105% more likely to be a virgin.
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Spot on and Ole out posters are 900% more likely to be supporting Liverpool or Man City next season
 

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meamth said:
The thread is still in heated discussion.

I came into conclusion:

Ole In: Delusional, clueless, accepting mediocrity, no ambition.

Ole out: We know what's best for the club because we can see it that others can't.

No point in arguing.

So I'll just sit down here and read this shit show.
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Pages of heated debate about our manager after a 4-1 win. It’s absolutely pathetic.
 

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Wumminator said:
I’ve cross referenced a few of the more vocal “Ole out” posters with other threads. I then compared them with people who are vocally Ole in.

Ole out posters are 301% more likely to post in the FIFA and Football Manager threads.

Ole out posters are 50% more active in the transfer forum. This rises to 87% if you look at the Sancho thread. 103% if you are only looking at posts where they post potential lineups for next year with guesses at how much those players will cost.

Ole in posters are on average writing posts with 204% high level vocabulary compared to the average Ole out poster.

This is where it gets really interesting - Ole out posters are 50% more likely to listen to Jordan Peterson, play Mario games and are 105% more likely to be a virgin.
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There must be some mistake, 105% more likely to be a virgin seems far too low.
 

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noodlehair said:
I'm pretty sick of this argument. Di Matteo WON Chelsea a champions league. When did this become an accurate measure of a good manager?

If Spurs did actually play exciting football or play top teams off the park rm17 route to the CL Final maybe this wouldn't be so meaningless, but actually they were lucky not to go out in the group stage, lucky in every knockout round. Produced the most timid final performance I've ever seen. Meanwhile their football has been tedious for a long time now.

The obsession with him on here is pathetic. It's based on utter nonsense.
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But supporting Ole with no evidence is ok? Make your mind up.
 

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Lentwood said:
I just don’t understand why the rush and all the venom from the Ole out posters. I feel he is getting all the abuse for 6/7 years of frustration tbh.
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100% Plus the agitation constantly peddled by pundits and media to "keep things exciting"
 

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Andycoleno9 said:
Ha ha. I nearly respond it but then i realised there is no point. He will see what Poch can do with this team next season:devil:
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Well - if Pochettino is as brilliant as people think, he should easily get a top job long before next summer. If OGS is replaced - it should be with a proper manager - not someone who had a couple of good seasons in his entire career.
 

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I'm not going to judge from one match and I'm still Ole out. But one thing to point out is that we're are at our best when we put in effort. We put in effort against top 6 teams and we win most of them. We put in effort when Ole first came in and we went on a winning run
We put in effort and we came from behind to beat Psg without Pogba.

You might say who isn't at their best when they put in effort? But this squad isn't nearly as good as some of the teams we've beaten under Ole. It's that dedication that gets us those victories. We won the league with a declining squad under Ferguson and came from behind a number of times because of this dedication and Van Persje of course. It's the United way and why I fell in love with this club

Ole understands that very much. He wants to get quality players that would die on the pitch. From what I've seen Ole isn't like Guardiola that is all about tactics winning games. His more of the type of coach that thinks if you have quality players giving their 1000% then they can win everything and tactics is only like 20% of the gist.
 

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matt10000 said:
Spot on and Ole out posters are 900% more likely to be supporting Liverpool or Man City next season
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hahaha oh you’re so funny & witty. Hilarious.

Or maybe those who want Ole out just want the best for our club to be the best it can be?
 

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Its interesting how everyone seemed to choose a 'side' so early on but still we have the same debate after every match. We are presented with masses of new data every single week and yet nobody changes their stance. It's such a pointless debate because nobody here actually believes the club are going to fire him, so accept it and get behind the team.

We are performing exactly how any neutral would expect us to given the thinness of our squad and the lack of experience overall. We are inconsistent. We make horrendous individual errors that cost us points. We cant put a run of results together. Brilliant one week, hopeless the next. None of this should come as a shock.

As a fanbase we are saying what exactly? Fire the manager because he isn't of sufficiently stunning quality to elevate this squad above what it so obviously is? Replace him with someone else who also isn't just because change must always equal good?

It's the plan that is the most important part of this, not who is executing it. I'm backing Ole 100% because he believes in the plan and is seeing it through and making the right decisions to take that to the next phase. There is no guarantee that the next one would.
 
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