UK raises concerns after teenager convicted of lying about Cyprus rape

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I'd say it isn't even in the same universe it is so far removed. Trying to equate the two is a very male centric viewpoint.
God you're such a cnut :lol:

Being falsely accused of being a murderer is as bad as being murdered.
The right analogy would be "Telling a lie that gets someone killed is as bad as murdering someone".
 

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God you're such a cnut :lol:



The right analogy would be "Telling a lie that gets someone killed is as bad as murdering someone".
That's definitely not the right analogy.
 

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Yeah it's not actually. But analogies are pointless anyways so whatever.
I do sympathise with your post somewhat though and don't want to vilify you because of semantics!
People who falsely make rape claims are evil! Just not as evil as those whose who actually rape people!
 

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Where does falsely accusing someone of falsely accusing someone of rape whilst also having raped them fit into this spectrum?
 

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Imo lying about being raped is as morally wrong as rape itself. Even being accused when innocent can ruin a person's life as the stigma hangs over them.

That being said, I don't know anything about this case or what the truth is.
What a sad opinion. Grow up quickly, if you can!
 

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Seen the apparent video, she doesn't look overly bothered in them.

Edit: Of course, if this is the alleged incident on the video it doesn't show the whole thing and I don't know what happens before, inbetween or after.
 
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Seen the apparent video, she doesn't look overly bothered in them.
There's no way to know if that's the genuine video. People are always sharing random videos when something like this happens.

You'd have to think if the police had access to such a video, and such evidence could be taken as being as clear cut as you suggest, that they wouldn't have needed to question her for 8 hrs in order to get a dubious confession, which seems to have been written by a non-native English speaker.

I don't know how anyone can read the facts of the case and not think cover-up.

And as for those wading in with their half-baked pre-conceived ideas while also stating they hadn't even bothered reading about the facts of this particular case I'd advise being a bit more objective and applying some logic and empathy before posting on these types of issues in future.
 

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Seen the apparent video, she doesn't look overly bothered in them.
When I said in the OP that rape victims were treated horrendously, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. You haven't the first clue whether the video you saw is even real but are still happy to use it to suggest someone lied about being raped. Because of course an out of context and completely unverified video being shared by cretins on whasapp is obviously more trustworthy than a woman claiming she was raped.
 

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When I said in the OP that rape victims were treated horrendously, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. You haven't the first clue whether the video you saw is even real but are still happy to use it to suggest someone lied about being raped. Because of course an out of context and completely unverified video being shared by cretins on whasapp is obviously more trustworthy than a woman claiming she was raped.
I said apparent.

I actually think something dodgy is going on and I have read (Online, is that ok?) that these guys are sons/friends of high ranking Isreali officials.
 

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I said apparent.

I actually think something dodgy is going on and I have read (Online, is that ok?) that these guys are sons/friends of high ranking Isreali officials.
No one would have realised from your comment that you thought there was anything dodgy going other than the girl was lying.
 

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When I said in the OP that rape victims were treated horrendously, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. You haven't the first clue whether the video you saw is even real but are still happy to use it to suggest someone lied about being raped. Because of course an out of context and completely unverified video being shared by cretins on whasapp is obviously more trustworthy than a woman claiming she was raped.
That's little different to you believing her over a court in a highly developed European Union nation, despite knowing nothing more than news reports.
 

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That's little different to you believing her over a court in a highly developed European Union nation, despite knowing nothing more than news reports.
It really isn't the same at all.

A random video which could be anyone at all in the whole world can't be comparable to information being reported in the reputable newspapers.
 

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This girl was clearly raped and the police forced her to change her story. There are two smoking guns in my opinion;

1. Her body was covered in bruises. The ones on her knees and rear could be argued as "rough" sex perhaps, but her arms, face etc. Clearly she was held down and smacked around.


2. Look at the statement, it's written in really poor english, hardly how a native english speaker would write it.

 

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No one would have realised from your comment that you thought there was anything dodgy going other than the girl was lying.
Worded badly on my part but also an assumption from every one else, never assume ;-)

Anyhow, yes I do believe that the girl may infact be telling the truth and there is indeed a cover up of some sorts here.
 

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This girl was clearly raped and the police forced her to change her story. There are two smoking guns in my opinion;

1. Her body was covered in bruises. The ones on her knees and rear could be argued as "rough" sex perhaps, but her arms, face etc. Clearly she was held down and smacked around.


2. Look at the statement, it's written in really poor english, hardly how a native english speaker would write it.

Yikes - yep that first image sadly shows a lot.
 

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I said apparent.

I actually think something dodgy is going on and I have read (Online, is that ok?) that these guys are sons/friends of high ranking Isreali officials.
The two countries along with Greece have also signed up for a gas pipeline deal recently too.
 

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That's little different to you believing her over a court in a highly developed European Union nation, despite knowing nothing more than news reports.
One person is responding to something based on a video people were passing around on whatsapp, which they know nothing about and which may not even be connected to this case at all.

The other person is responding to something based on evidence presented at trial and criticism levelled by multiple rights groups, senior officials within the Cypriot justice system and the UK government.

All on top of the underlying reality that a woman is many multiple times more likely to be the victim of rape than they are to falsely accuse someone of rape.

So quite a big difference, really.
 

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This shite scares me as the father of a daughter, the rage I feel is palpable. If these guys are guilty which I personally believe they are I would have absolutely no problem making sure these animals couldn't commit an act like this again, sickening.