Brandon Williams is better than Luke Shaw

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This is how ManUtd fullbacks should be making runs.
 

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This is how ManUtd fullbacks should be making runs.
I was yelling at the TV for Rashford to play him in, probably not used to having those kinds of runs made by the fullback so never even considered it.
 

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Got beat every time they went 1 on 1. Is that doing well now?
I find it interesting that almost all of the people criticizing this kid are mostly the same people that are always defending Luke Shaw in his thread. Don't believe me, go check it out. Andersons Dietician is a big Luke Shaw fanboy thus the reason for slating a teenager.
 

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I thought he did well yesterday, Adams traore rarely seen ball first half, he became more involved later in 2nd half even then considering he tormented the defenders lately, he was rarely a threat bar one or two crosses imo.
 

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There’s not much between them. The problem is one is a kid the other is supposed to be our 1st choice left back
 
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Simply put, Shaw should be benched and Williams playing ahead of him, until shaw can prove he has the attitude to fight for his position, which he as only shown once or twice but now has reverted back to seemingly his own ways, and appears to also lack fitness.
 

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………….media taken out.....

He was sending in crosses at will. Lindelof bailed us out a few times.

Adama had the highest cross completion in the game. Not trying to nit-pick but Brandon did not had a good game against Adama.


I'm immensely impressed with the video editing. How long did that take you ?
 

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He was struggling to cope with Traore in the second half. Really shows you how much he has to learn. The bad thing is that Shaw wouldn't have done much better...

He makes great forward runs but our forwards are not used to (properly drilled) to take advantage of such situations. This overlapping runs are not part of our game plan (or so it would seem).
 

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I find it interesting that almost all of the people criticizing this kid are mostly the same people that are always defending Luke Shaw in his thread. Don't believe me, go check it out. Andersons Dietician is a big Luke Shaw fanboy thus the reason for slating a teenager.
nobody is slating him, people are just trying to give an honest opinion without biast. You see people mentioning he kept Traore quiet all game that simply wasn’t true As he was rarely up against Traore and the times they went toe to toe Traore beat him at pretty much everyone of this solo duels.

He was great going forward and loved that he generally went full throttle and attacked space but like I’ve said before you just can’t always do that at this level and with more experience He’ll probably become a lot less pro active in that with the way our team is set up.

Generally that Luke Shaw performance threads is an absolute mess with people that clearly don’t have a clue. All old school just play the game at 100 mph attack, defend, attack, defend like its some sort of basketball game.
‘Make up so much nonsense like Shaw never attacks space or overlaps. 1 person after the Newcastle game even saying he did nothing the whole game even though his run makes the goal.

Obviously that’s not everyone and there are some who make decent points about his lack of intensity to get up and support or make something happen which is a very fare point and something Williams has over him currently.
 

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Keep Williams at LB, and stick Shaw into our midfield as CDM, with Fred playing as an 8, and Andreas further forward.
 

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Fed up of Shaw jogging just beyond the half way line then stop, pass back to Maguire rinse and repeat. Williams has drive, energy and the will to attack, he will get caught out if position but no more than Shaw does. Makes realise how lucky we were to Evra at left back, the quality if our starting squad has dropped to ridiculous levels.

In would prefer for Williams gets more starts then Shaw.
 
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I think Shaw gets too much flack sometimes but then I'm a fan so I'm possibly biased. His biggest problem is injuries, focus, and a lack of regular game time. When he plays regularly, he eventually starts performing well. He was very good last season IMO.
 

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Why are Man Utd fans so weird? If he can't play in his best position, bin him. Fergie really made you think anyone can be turned into something else :lol:
Yes, we really should bin him. And Lingard too. Matic too. But then there’s your problem: we have nobody left to play midfield because the rest of our midfielders are injured. So if the club don’t buy a midfielder in January (which they should, except for the fact we are run by incompetents), then someone needs to play in midfield in front of defense. It’s not like I’m hoping for this to happen, but what else are we going to do?
 

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This is might work if you are purposely trying to lose.
Sure. I have seen enough of Matic to know his legs are gone. Fred is playing every game. Scot and Pogba are injured. So who else is left to play in midfield? Lingard, Mata, and Andreas. So maybe you understand my thinking, as playing Shaw in CDM might be a better alternative than playing Fred as 6, Andreas as 8, and Lingard as 10. We would lose anyway, may as well try a solution instead of doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
 

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Shaw used to be really solid defensively but he doesn't even have that now. Just lacks concentration. I don't know if he has the hunger anymore.
 

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Sure. I have seen enough of Matic to know his legs are gone. Fred is playing every game. Scot and Pogba are injured. So who else is left to play in midfield? Lingard, Mata, and Andreas. So maybe you understand my thinking, as playing Shaw in CDM might be a better alternative than playing Fred as 6, Andreas as 8, and Lingard as 10. We would lose anyway, may as well try a solution instead of doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
We have actual midfielders from the academy. I don’t think Shaw will perform any better elsewhere on the pitch.
 

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Shaw used to be really solid defensively but he doesn't even have that now. Just lacks concentration. I don't know if he has the hunger anymore.
Looking at his Physique as of late, I would say he has plenty of hunger, just not for football.
 

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We have actual midfielders from the academy. I don’t think Shaw will perform any better elsewhere on the pitch.
I just don’t think Garner or other midfielders are ready yet to be thrown into the deep end. In any case, it’s never going to happen, as Ole will persist with Fred and Matic, plus one of Lingard Mata, or Andreas for the premier league.
 

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Why are Man Utd fans so weird? If he can't play in his best position, bin him. Fergie really made you think anyone can be turned into something else :lol:
Well we had a right winger as a fullback and a left winger as a fullback, our CF was converted into MF (Choccy), Sammy Mc was a striker, who became a MF, Norman Whiteside, too, so it wasn't just Fergie doing it :-)

Seeing as he's a bit out of kilter and Romero needs a run, why not put DDG in as CF - he's very tall and could act as target man ha ha ha ha.
 

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At the moment, I still think we need a left back. However, this depends on whether if Williams can make significant progress of improvement until end of the season to the level that he can play week in week out next following season.

He offers a lot of more in attack than Shaw or any our full back. He's a right foot and can cut inside but at the same time he can deliver with his left foot and we saw what he did against Burnley, could be nightmare for opposition because you don't know what he will do. He's very energetic & always looking to overlap.

Defensively from what I see he also has talent, might not as impressive as Bissaka though but I see some good things from his defensive aspect but I see some weakness, sometime he tends to make foul due to his own mistake & also being inexperienced which is understandable at his age, this probably why Ole is not putting him into the starting XI more often since he wants Williams to learn more before he's fully ready for the role.

However, Shaw is not getting any better and it also hurts us playing Shaw. I feel that may be we can start him more often from now on. And to cover his weakness, we can try to play quicker or more mobile centre back on the left side. Bissaka - Maguire - Bailly/Axel - Williams
 

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Are people still on the fence about this? Just his mentality is absolutely infectious and brilliant. Tonight I thought he did really well with the turn of pace, dropping the shoulder against defenders who are thinking they have him cornered. And he also makes accurate passes under pressure with his left foot.

He's got loads to learn as any young defender does, but he's looking like a great prospect. So much to like about him.
 

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So far he's taking his chances, when he plays, I don't think he's had a bad game yet, but hes young plenty to improve, but Shaw is probably ahead , but not by alot.
While Williams makes mistakes, sometimes noticeably, but his contribution is also very noticeable. Shaw's mistakes is sometimes not so noticeable to average audience but he does tend to disappear during crucial moment, meanwhile contribute very little during 90min. If we bite the bullet and let Williams stay on, I am sure he will be very good next season. Rumour say Leicester is interested in Shaw, I say swap him for Maddison, all sides win.
 

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Are people still on the fence about this? Just his mentality is absolutely infectious and brilliant. Tonight I thought he did really well with the turn of pace, dropping the shoulder against defenders who are thinking they have him cornered. And he also makes accurate passes under pressure with his left foot.

He's got loads to learn as any young defender does, but he's looking like a great prospect. So much to like about him.
He even crosses better with his left which is weaker foot, than Shaw
 

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He even crosses better with his left which is weaker foot, than Shaw
It's laughable how bad Shaw's crossing is.

Rashford says Dan James takes his time to really pick out a man when he crosses. Shaw's the opposite. He seems to cross just because that's something he thinks he should be doing, without any thought put into it.
 

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It's laughable how bad Shaw's crossing is.

Rashford says Dan James takes his time to really pick out a man when he crosses. Shaw's the opposite. He seems to cross just because that's something he thinks he should be doing, without any thought put into it.
Spot on. Time and time again he would be in space but would only do these half arsed crossed without even looking up or trying to pick up anybody. Pure madness as far as I'm concerned, even AWB tries to aim at someone.
 

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It's laughable how bad Shaw's crossing is.

Rashford says Dan James takes his time to really pick out a man when he crosses. Shaw's the opposite. He seems to cross just because that's something he thinks he should be doing, without any thought put into it.
Anyway you can throw me a link to that statement?

On topic: I agree about Shaw. Does not look natural at all. It will require a lot of work from our coaching staff to free him from what seems like some sort of mental block.
 

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Spot on. Time and time again he would be in space but would only do these half arsed crossed without even looking up or trying to pick up anybody. Pure madness as far as I'm concerned, even AWB tries to aim at someone.
Shaw’s technique is half the issue. You can get away without picking a man out if you’re able get enough whip on it to either swing away from the keeper or bounce awkwardly and skid across the box. It’s that sort of delivery that makes defenders and keepers hesitate to meet the ball or miss time it. Obviously tough comparisons but TAA and De Bruyne are text book examples of these deliveries.

Shaw either fires it low and hard which is easy to block or he chips a floater which is easy for defenders to get under and help across goal.
 

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Cash in on Shaw now. Whilst he's still at a good age and some teams will take a chance.
 

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Let's be rid of Shaw & shore up our defence with a new LB to rotate with Williams.

Shaw's perpetually injured, surely on a higher wage than Williams & has had enough chances since his injury to cement the LB spot.
 

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He even crosses better with his left which is weaker foot, than Shaw
Yeah, it's pretty impressive for a right footed left back. Wonder what he's like from the right. But I do like to have a full back who so easily cuts inside from the left.