Hating Lingard

L1nk said:

In all of his matches in the Premier League, 129 of them by the way, he's scored only 17 goals and made 10 assists, that means he's been directly involved in over 102 matches for us in the League where he's done virtually nothing on either the wing or as a #10, now you could argue other people are at fault for the assists being so low

Total through balls - 29
Big chances created - 18
Cross accuracy - 16%

I mean i could go on, for anyone that likes stats, for an attacking player, he's garbage.

James Maddison by the way, has only played 56 in the league and already has 10 assists and 13 goals, he's also created 18 Big Chances, and his total through balls is 36

Nobody can or should be defending him, he's 27 ffs.

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Agree with you on Lingard, but looking at it now: Maddison's assists stats also sound very lukewarm for a league-winning or top-4 club AMF. Maybe he is not good enough for United we are building (obviously better than Lingard).

Lingard
Assists per game - 12/129 - 9.3%
Goals per game - 17/129 - 13.18%

Maddison:
Assists per game - 10/56 - 17.85%
Goals per game - 13/56 - 23.21%

To compare it to De Bruyne's stats:
Assists per game - 59/137 - 43.1%
Goals per game - 30/137 - 21.89%

Christian Eriksen
Assists per game - 66/223 - 29.59%
Goals per game - 51/223 - 22.86%

(All numbers are from https://www.transfermarkt.us/)

Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:

It is ridiculous that the press is churning out articles „United hope to include Lingard + cash in a deal to get player X or Y“.

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Lingard has 18months left, has hired a new agent and has been in poor form for the lifespan of his utd career.

We as a club, need to shift under performing players and sign better quality players to replace them.

Seems like an avenue the club would explore for me,.

I dont think theres any truth in it, but hey ho

If he's to have a football career, it would be best for him to reinvent himself in a smaller English club. United is too big for a player of his quality

If Riola is his new agent he will most definitely be going to Juve, he just can´t stop going on about them.

If Raiola is truly his agent, that the situation at United becomes hilariously tragic. So first we coddle this championship level player because of :sob story:. Then he pulls a fast one on us by hiring the biggest cnut in football as agent, who will either take us to the cleaners or let the contract run as free agent. What a bunch of amateurs we have at the club.

Irishman said:

Raiola is now his agent I'm hearing? Words fail me!

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devilish said:

If Raiola is truly his agent, that the situation at United becomes hilariously tragic. So first we coddle this championship level player because of :sob story:. Then he pulls a fast one on us by hiring the biggest cnut in football as agent, who will either take us to the cleaners or let the contract run as free agent. What a bunch of amateurs we have at the club.

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To be fair if Raiola gets this clown to a new club Ill forgive him anything and everything that has gone before.

RMD83 said:

This smells of media BS to me. Raiola is a popular topic for his recent comments about united and lingard is a popular topic for playing crap and not having a goal or assist for an entire year. Put the two together, and bang! There’s your news story for the day.

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Yeah mate. We all know about the media but would you really put it past him? I really don’t think he’s hateable but feck me, he’s a misguided dick. Apart from that, more importantly, he hasn’t been at it for a while has he?... and then instead of knuckling down and pulling his weight, dances, jlingz and shitbag agent, which may not be true but I think more likely than not. I worry when I trust media stories more than the player because I generally don’t trust media stories.

It’s Lingard.

Beans beans beans this is the level

Regardless of what your opinion is of Jesse Lingard as a footballer the hate for him on this forum is frankly sad.

From my perspective I have never rated him as a footballer even when he was selected for England but I would never post some of the hate that he is subjected to on here.

Some of the stuff written and posted about him is really below the belt and unwarranted regardless of what you think about his footballing ability. It is quite sad really.

there is absolutely no way we are going to con Rogers into taking him for what amounts to £40m

At the moment the press report says simply "Lingard is working with Raiola" - that could be anything! Speculation always follows any United player when things have not gone well for a period of time and Jesse has not made things any easier with his off the field antics. Whoever advised him his name would sell clothes, saw him coming that's for sure!

Jesse's footballing USP is his inspired running, i.e. off the ball mainly, in order to disrupt defences and create openings for others, his other 'skills' are moderate at best and would not even guarantee him a squad place, let alone first team regular. Given that for one reason or another his USP has not been working, added to his personal and business off the field problems, he is all over the place just now and does need to be stepped down. I believe Ole realises this, but with injuries, illness and the games coming thick and fast he has had to keep chucking Jesse in at the deep end.

The business with Raiola is probably symptomatic of Lingard's situation and perhaps evidence the club is not giving him the support he needs and he is now looking for it in the wrong places. The club has a duty of care to all its employees, even when they are not performing well, perhaps at such times even more so! For me I always remember his goal against Palace that helped win us the Cup, I hope he gets the help he deserves and not the hatred. Ole has to take him out of the firing line for a while.

Maticmaker said:

Lingard's form and his overall impact has recently gone backwards, there is no doubt about it and Ole keep playing him isn't helping. Jesse's greatest strength is his running without the ball . Against packed defences Lingard can cause havoc with his 'breaking the line' and diagonal runs, causes confusion and opens up space for others to exploit. However he is not a natural finisher and defensively he is weak, so when his off the ball running is not working, when others are not taking advantage of the space provided, then he is more or less a passenger.

Jesse can and does drift in and out of games, but he's not on his own there, he needs to be taken out and to refresh his approach. The clowning about and his off the field antics have at times made matters worse. Making an a**e of yourself is OK when you are delivering on the pitch, when you are not, it is fatal and is what leads to the 'hating tag' that should, in my opinion, never be applied to a United player, by a United fan.

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Well said. This thread should have been renamed or closed from the go. That said, Lingard has been off form because he hasn’t been putting 100% of his time and effort into his football. Splitting his time and attention isn’t working here. Maybe at another club things will turn around for him.

RedIan said:

I dont hate him. On form hes a decent player. Works hard pressing and links up forwards play well and also used to chip in with some nice goals. always played his part in counter attacks. He was never technically brilliant but not as bad as painted. You dont get to be an England regular if you are useless. He was a hero when he scored the winner in the FA cup final.
its sad hes lost all form and confidence, who knows what his mental health is like. Maybe a change of club will do him good Or at least a break from the first team squad.

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Mustafi is a World Cup winner.

But of course you cannot be completly shit if you play for England. I thought he was good last year and really good 2 years ago. Declined massively the last 12 months. One reason for sure is also that the whole squad declined.

He’s a very useful squad player,but he’s hardly indispensable.Having said that,I would want us to keep him because we need local lads like him in the squad...But he certainly has to give us more on the pitch,else he will struggle to get into the team...

devilish said:

If Raiola is truly his agent, that the situation at United becomes hilariously tragic. So first we coddle this championship level player because of :sob story:. Then he pulls a fast one on us by hiring the biggest cnut in football as agent, who will either take us to the cleaners or let the contract run as free agent. What a bunch of amateurs we have at the club.

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Do you not think the decision to hire Raiola as his agent was made because he’s been told his time at the club is done?

Not everything that happens has to be a melodrama where we constantly make bad decisions. This isn’t faulty towers.

One thing we don't want is Raiola using Lingard to get to Rashford...

Nikelesh Reddy said:

He’s a very useful squad player,but he’s hardly indispensable.Having said that,I would want us to keep him because we need local lads like him in the squad...But he certainly has to give us more on the pitch,else he will struggle to get into the team...

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He’s not even been that.

He had a decent couple of seasons a while back, not even good by United standards, just decent. He took the absolute piss with that and turned himself into a marketing brand. Clothing, tv adverts, the face of Snapchat. If he’d have spent more time getting better and cementing himself as a United player he wouldn’t have one foot out of the door now.

He never had the right mentality to succeed here. He’s done exactly the same things as Depay did but he’s managed to get away with it for longer.

Marcelinho87 said:

No he didn't have the chance, he was never going to be a top player.

He had luck on his side for a few weeks but in reality he has always been shit.

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He scored 13 goals in all competitions in 17-18 season. He showed he can be a useful player with full of energy. But problem was that mini form went to his head and he started acting all giddy with his social media antics.

We have seen in the past from players who are not the most talented but they chose to work hard and become club greats. Lingard may not have the world class talent but the main reason he became even more crap is because of his shitty attitude. The guy proved he is more of a clown than a footballer.

lurkingfan said:

One thing we don't want is Raiola using Lingard to get to Rashford...

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Rashford ain’t daft. I very much doubt he’s hanging around with Lingard all that much anymore and you only appoint Raiola as an agent if you’re angling for a move somewhere else.

Rashfords going no where

Raiola is the only person who can get Lingard a new club before his contract is up. Not sure why people are saying this is a bad thing.

Without Raiola, nobody is paying anything for him in the Prem and he's not in a million years dropping a £100k p/w salary to go down to Championship money, so we'd be forced to keep him until the end of his current contract. He'd leave on a free and negotiate a better wage.

Good luck to him.

Raiola is the only one able to get a club to buy him, not really a bad thing, at least he'll be on his way.

crossy1686 said:

Do you not think the decision to hire Raiola as his agent was made because he’s been told his time at the club is done?

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Heard the story at the weekend that we'd offered Lingard as part exchange for Maddison and laughed because it seemed so far fetched, but then this morning I've heard that Lingard has joined with Raiola, so perhaps there is some substance to the original story....?

crossy1686 said:

Do you not think the decision to hire Raiola as his agent was made because he’s been told his time at the club is done?

Not everything that happens has to be a melodrama where we constantly make bad decisions. This isn’t faulty towers.

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There are many agents in football and he went on picking the most dirty of the lot who also happens to hate us. Good luck us getting a reasonable fee from the guy

Nikelesh Reddy said:

He’s a very useful squad player,but he’s hardly indispensable.Having said that,I would want us to keep him because we need local lads like him in the squad...But he certainly has to give us more on the pitch,else he will struggle to get into the team...

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No he isn't. A good squad player comes in and delivers when you need him to. Lingard does not.

future2future said:

Raiola is the only one able to get a club to buy him, not really a bad thing, at least he'll be on his way.

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Been wondering about this... would you pay good money for Lingard if you had to fork out a massive cut to Riaola also? Im not so sure clubs will be so keen on this.

Hopefully he moves Lingard and Pogba on, no more of our players go near him, and we have no future dealings with the crook.

Denis' cuff said:

Might be about to become hated even more if the tabs (I know) are anything to go by.

Several dailies saying that he is "working with super agent Raiola"

No idea what's left of his contract but it might be that a certain dancing partner is in his ear. Maybe. He's stupid enough.

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This is fantastic news, should burn his bridges with the club now. That along with the very public exposing of his mediocre performances leaves the club with no choice but to drop him or sell him. In a perfect world him and Pogba leave the club in the summer and we get in excess of 100 million. That’s three people who at this point can only be described as viruses at the club out the door.

I hope Raiola finds him a new club.

Lynty said:

Raiola is the only person who can get Lingard a new club before his contract is up. Not sure why people are saying this is a bad thing.

Without Raiola, nobody is paying anything for him in the Prem and he's not in a million years dropping a £100k p/w salary to go down to Championship money, so we'd be forced to keep him until the end of his current contract. He'd leave on a free and negotiate a better wage.

Good luck to him.

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No. There are plenty of decent agents out there, some with better contacts then Mino especially in England (mino is mostly Italian based). Whoever hires mino he does it for one sole reason ie making as much money out of his next contract as possible.

He won't be hated. He's a local lad. Old Trafford don't turn on their own.

Unless you're a foreigner like Fellaini, then Old Trafford are a toxic pack of cnuts.

Raiola is great news really with respect to Lingard, means he knows his days here are numbered.

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Raiola is the only one able to get a club to buy him, not really a bad thing, at least he'll be on his way.

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on the contrary I think selecting Raiola could be counter intuitive in his search for a new club. Lingard ain't going to any genuine title challenger in any of the top leagues. He could go to a decent team, but I don't see any benefit of hiring Raiola if he wishes to stay in the PL. The clubs that maybe interested in him would be put off by Raiola's shenianigans and his agent fee.He gets away with it with players like Pogba and even Halaand because the upside is so potentially high. Lingard at best is a useful player. It's one thing having to deal with a wanker agent if you have a world class or potentially world class talent, it's another thing entirely when it''s an average player.

devilish said:

No. There are plenty of decent agents out there, some with better contacts then Mino especially in England (mino is mostly Italian based). Whoever hires mino he does it for one sole reason ie making as much money out of his next contract as possible.

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Well yes. He knows he's not going to get anywhere close to what we're paying him, so he'll want the most he can possibly get. He's not going to get another contract here, Ole already said he's on his last chance and he's blown it when we needed him to step up, so good luck to him elsewhere. Hiring Raiola (if its true) signifies his intent to leave, and I suspect he's being pushed out.

Wait till the club announces an extension with improved wages

kouroux said:

Wait till the club announces an extension with improved wages

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If that happens im done with this club

Raiola likes players who move around a lot*, obviously, because that means more commission.

If he's got Lingard on his books now - that's a sign he'll be moving on in the Summer.


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kouroux said:

Wait till the club announces an extension with improved wages

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If this happens, I'm probably done.

People need to quit this local lad shit. He's a professional footballer about to hit his prime but wouldn't look out of place playing for The Faroe Islands. He's also "the local lad" that's decided to go with an agent that just last week sullied the name of the club, right or wrong what he said puts the club in a difficult position in the market. We are dealing with so much shit right now yet this cnut continues to fleece a gullible Woodward and then carries on trying to make Manchester United toxic. Ferguson was right about him and Lingard is a prick for this decision. I hope he rots in mediocrity and ends up getting eliminated in the first week of a shit celebrity reality show. Our fanbase are too fecking docile.

The only sense I can make out of this if it's true is Raiola wants to get his hands on English/PL players. If Lingard does go and Raiola gets him a great deal or god forbid he gets him an extension on his contract then other players may look at it and think he could be good for them. Let's face it Lingard isn't worth anything in todays market so Raiola isn't doing it for the good of the player or his pocket. The hardest thing in business is getting your foot in the door and if Lingard helps him achieve that then it would be worth it for him not to earn anything from this deal and use it to his advantage for the future.

Craig Ward said:

Lingard has 18months left, has hired a new agent and has been in poor form for the lifespan of his utd career.

We as a club, need to shift under performing players and sign better quality players to replace them.

Seems like an avenue the club would explore for me,.

I dont think theres any truth in it, but hey ho

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It's pretty clear that the club are waiting for him to score or assist again, to then release news of a glorious new 5 year deal.
That both protects his value, and shows our continuing commitment to keeping hold of the, erm hottest English talents.

On a serious level though, he's not been that much of a regular this season, a season where we know without doubt we need to improve a lot. So it wouldn't be that far fetched to suggest his time is coming to an end, and he probably wants to go somewhere to play every week.
But unless that's abroad, it'd have to be a West Ham, Everton type outfit.

Forevergiggs1 said:

The only sense I can make out of this if it's true is Raiola wants to get his hands on English/PL players. If Lingard does go and Raiola gets him a great deal or god forbid he gets him an extension on his contract then other players may look at it and think he could be good for them. Let's face it Lingard isn't worth anything in todays market so Raiola isn't doing it for the good of the player or his pocket. The hardest thing in business is getting your foot in the door and if Lingard helps him achieve that then it would be worth it for him not to earn anything from this deal and use it to his advantage for the future.

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Lingard himself said he was on his last warning after the snapchat story. Since then he's underperformed and is getting barely any minutes under Ole. I really think its an exit plan for Lingard, not a new contract.

I do disagree with the bolded piece though. I think he'd be a good investment for a mid to low PL team. One where he would get a run of games and get his confidence back. He's a PL player, an English international. If even for the fact he's up the home grown quota!